Here’s a thought…

Berkster in.

About a week ago when our original standard retracement levels for the $SPX werer broken somewhere in the range of 1050-1060, depending on how you figured, I mentioned to Mole that there would probably be another drop coming to sucker in all the bears.  At the time, I figured we would just barely breach our line’s in the sand, and pull a full reversal, confusing everybody.  Well only today did I see what was really planned, and damn if is ain’t devious.

First off, a little chart with no lines so you all will be blind but know exactly what I am thinking.

What am I thinking?

What am I thinking?

Depending on how astute you are at TA, a number of things might jump out at you.  You could call than and inverted H/S, but it’s not in a downtrend.  You could call it a double top (which it is right now), but we have a little ways before we can get any type of confirmation (from a purely pattern perspective).

Now put your evil caps on, a take a hard look.  If you were a market-maker, what is the worst thing you could do?  My guess is give the bears a false break-down, give the bulls a false break-out, and then fuck the bears on last time with a modest new low.  From an EW perspective, a flat.

Too easy, right?

Too easy, right?

Obivously, we could push a little bit higher and this pattern be valid.  What I like most about it though is A) the simplicity, B) the evil, and C) the evil.  Wouldn’t that just be disasterous.  As we get a tiny new high (in some markets) we trace out a clear 5 waves down (in a C wave) only to blast on higher in either A) the C wave of the last zig-zag in wave (W) or B) the A wave of (Z) in a triple zig-zag.  I have it labeled as an (X) wave on my chart for two reasons.  From the fed day peaks, this pattern would fill out a month quite nicely, and still count as a correction.  The previous (X) wave took just about a month to complete, and we know how the market likes to repeat itself.  Finally, if we could get another drop here, it is likely that we would get at least a single divergence in the indicators I mentioned last night. What seems to be clear (at this point) is that we are falling in 5 wave moves and that we are finally getting some gap filling exercise.  Next target, 1056.28 ($SPX), followed by 1040.22, and finally, 1024.89.  Yes, if you look close, there IS another gap in there, but IMO it is of less signifigance.

Let’s take a quick look at the way the stocks I mentioned this mornging behaved.

BX-

We'll see what some OCT calls can do...

We'll see what some OCT calls can do...

BIDU -

Got a nice move down, then another, now I need upside.

Got a nice move down, then another, now I need upside.

LVS -

The Ugly.

The Ugly.

Nearly all of the stocks I mentioned this morning had there little pops (or drops), but as I warned, no volume on these guys.  Gotta see where the market drags our balls tomorrow, but I must say, that I will be more intrigued tomorrow than any day for the past week or so.

With that, Good night all.

Berkster out.

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  • Bart7
    I think someone posted this last night but in case ya missed it, Market at dot com era valuations?
    http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/10/10/bubble-a...
  • EURUSD. Today's high as end of B of flat?

    /would chime nicely with Berk's call for a flat in SPX
  • Bart7
    market is like a cat with 9 lives, is this the 8th or 9th?
  • We're now on the 2nd cat Bart...LOL
  • dollar
    INTC closed at 18.91 on 10/1, 20.40 yesterday= +7.879%

    buy the rumor, sell the news?
  • gmak
    The ES neutral pivot is just above at 1071.75 It looks like it will hold as well (unless volume starts to move up again. IF it doesn't, then the next resistance (TD) is at 1075;
  • gmak
    Here are my SPX pivots. I'm using a work around due to the SPX data glitch yesterday (Bloomberg supplies SPXFAST data which goes to 4 decimal places. <grin>).

    R2: 1084.17
    R1: 1080.20
    Neutral: 1075.05 - we are headed here now as I type. TD has a resistance point around the same place. TD's is one that usually stops the move cold - but if it doesn't, it's a rocket launch up. I think it will stop this move up.
    S1: 1072.08
    S2: 1067.93

    Made my quota today on EUR. Love those slo-mo swings up and down.
    We're moving back and forth on the pivot at 1.4832 - it was R1 if I remember correctly, and I have a price exhaustion target at 1.4854.
  • For whatever this is worth, I had a dream last night that I was looking at the weekly bars for EUR/USD and saw the peak was just over 1.50 and that it moved all the way down to 1.35 in only five bars.
  • Onorio
    By the way silver seems to have completed a impulsive move down, same on gold and EUR/USD. We`re placing some corrective moves to the upside, so IMO more downside to come.

    SPX fake move?
  • If you are already long GBPUSD from 1.5719
    Few profit taking levels you may want to know
    starting from 1.5948, 1.6041, 1.6192 and 1.6435
    I think it's good to get out at 1.604 and 1.6192, further than that, looked far
  • GBPUSD approaching 1.59......have to say I didn't think it would get up this high....
  • Onorio
    POMO this!
  • it's not the results, it's the spin

    5 usd can be "marvellous improvement from last year on (choose limited category-) profits"

    or

    "lowest return for shareholders in a century"

    what will master say?
  • raised_by_wolves
    The SPX scenarios I've drawn look like sperm all trying to get to the same place.

    http://screencast.com/t/2KG4PEacQtmK
  • hmmmm very interesting LOL
  • raised_by_wolves
    I'm sure that comment confirmed in your mind that I'm (1) male and (2) adolescent.
  • hahahah not at all! :)
  • raised_by_wolves
    "Not at all!" Anna says in a tone of thinly disguised sarcasm :-)
  • ROFL hahaha :)
  • raised_by_wolves
    Shit! While I was watching Anna rolling on the floor laughing, was anyone paying attention to $DXY? New low! When did this happen? Scheiße!
  • still rollling, you need to stop LOL hahaha
  • raised_by_wolves
    Hey Anna, want to trip on LSD without taking an acid hit?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld5tuDz-jog
  • i'd say 1074 1075
  • raised_by_wolves
    Alright, I've redrawn the sperm heading for 1074 or 1075.

    http://screencast.com/t/rq6QaQzwjdL
  • your sperm, you decide where it goes... LOL
  • raised_by_wolves
    You didn't catch me using any possessive adjective there, did you? (I'm too quick with that edit button).
  • GSuks short filled.
  • harveydent
    so your done shorting GS? then im going to pull a M. Whitney and buy some calls now :)
  • CandleStickEmUpper
    sorry if I missed it, does anyone have a list of major earnings reports for today and tomorrow?
  • Intc after the bell (that's the one I am keying in on)
  • Tronacate
    BIG factor right there
  • yes and a GM to you Tron :-)
  • Tronacate
    Hey....gm :).....have a rippin cold :(.....probably oink oink
  • Hey feel better :)
  • Tronacate
    Madoofus got in a prison fight......
  • Trader_Steve
    Him and Dalmer are going to share something....graves. I have thought a lifer is going to terminate him with extreme prejudice. Even though the money was in all cases more than they ever saw, making a woman, for example, with $500,000 eat dog food is the kind of thing these guys kill you for.


    Steve
  • Tronacate
    Yeah , I figured he'd be gutted like a carp by now.....good riddance
  • closing up GS bear position, don't like the price action so far :)
  • dollar
    I thought emerging markets were going to take over the world and save us all:

    Oct. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Argentina will be forced to default by 2011 unless the government reaches an accord with investors holding $20 billion of bonds kept out of the last restructuring offer, Stone Harbor Investment Partners says.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110...
  • Trader_Steve
    That dwarf Cramer wore a Chines hat around Decembeer saying the Chinese were going to start buying our products and save us. That's when I stopped my once a month slip into insanity and tuned him out.

    Steve
  • Osso
    they have it wrong. negotiations are on tgt. towards a settlement with the so called "Holdouts"...those that did not take the previous Debt restructuring. Maybe not all of them take the offer....but those left out...will regret it.....Its a small amount anyway......and the debt was upgraded...thru a better Country risk rating...
  • springheel_jack
    I'm thinking we'll have another 10pt break down shortly Osso, though that may just be the boredom talking.

    Interesting take from Laundry I thought. We'll get down to 1040-1050 either way I think. If he's right, we'll just keep going when we get there.
  • Joe8888
    Nice Positive Divergence on the Daily QID

    http://www.screencast.com/users/chartwiz/folder...
  • If you're talking about the higher stoc. vs. the pr., is not a positive divergence until the stoc turns higher...i would argue

    On top of that, the NDX is the strongest index today, so it seems a suspect trade 2me (at least today)
  • innatedc
    yes there is and the makings of a double bottom...
  • Trader_Steve
    Here's a song for GS:

    "Some people, aint no damn good..."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBSP9LNOftQ&feat...

    Steve

    P.S. In a musical mood. I was playing my guitar last night and not thinking about the market and suddenly, like a diamond bullet to my forehead, I felt "it's over." Now how good are my premonitions (cause that's a good question)...all I have ever predicted through the years with regularity are divorces.
  • tradejane
    >"it's over."

    I posted in a comment yesterday something to the tune of "what if they called for an earnings rally and nobody showed up."

    That would be funny.
  • Bart7
    with Goldman down 4.5 you'd think the market would have tanked but so far it's holding up pretty well..... bodes for one more push higher?
  • So far works for me, but I see what you're saying NQ is holding up the tape today
  • oops we forgot nasdaq... they should be so lucky
  • dollar
    11:09 AM The Fed buys $2.949B in Treasurys of about $13.5B in debt maturing between 2016 and 2019 submitted by dealers. The buyback is one of the last operations in its $300B program, set to end later this month.
  • Oh my you've changed LOL
    yes, don't we have 1 more ?
  • dollar
    Halloween coming up, and horror in the markets, heh, heh, heh >:-}

    one more, unless they change their minds...
  • you see my bear costume? :)
  • Trader_Steve
    You see my etching, surrounded by boxes of 5.56, .223, 9 .40, .45, and an occcasional .50? LOL

    Steve
  • ROFL hahaha ;)
  • dollar
    Bear looks better on you than bull
  • hehehe ;)
  • So far another snoozefest :)
  • Adding to BIDU spread now, for 2.80
  • innatedc
    Sorry...was that a bear call spread?
  • thank you :)
  • Sorry i should have said that Nov 440/450 bull call spread
  • innatedc
    Ah ok thanks....not in myself but I will cheer you on....
  • I just doubled down. Oh god :LOL being I didn't mean to buy that many contracts, it just might work :)
  • insite
    POMO done; just shy of $3B. i think that means they only have around $2B left.
  • Joe8888
    we could fall on this 10 min candle SPY
  • Trader_Steve
    I don't have a pilot license so let me just say that if a Cesna flew into a GS board meeting "OH MY GOD" would not likly be the first words that came to my mind.

    Steve
  • Joe8888
    master of the universe ,,,what goes around -comes around!
  • well, a small comment, the bottom is not in (mid-term)

    our friends at the fed have one BIG PROBLEM.

    on distort-gs-wave if they breack this trendline then they'll skyrocket to 1200, and if they breack 1150 it will become P2 and will break hard as hell on P3.

    they'll never have the time to make a recovery of P4 before elections.

    either they they drop nowand take w5 as men at 450-620 points (depending on gold) and are at the top for election year, or they won't get another dime from washinghton (and maybe jail for some).

    so either they're suicidal or they drop now, they know the hand that feeds them
  • centerline
    Similar thoughts here. I think the FED got played. They had limited options - so I don't think it was to hard for the market makers to take advantage. Behind closed doors though, I would surmise that there are some connections working to mutual benefit. Thus, a really distorted, sick symbiotic relationship between bankers and FED - but bankers really having the upper hand here.
  • does the tail wag the dog?
  • harveydent
    morning
    i like how meredith whitney downgraded GS before earnings (she wants to buy it at a cheaper price).
    and she upgraded it during the summer before earnings also. (she probably wanted to cash out).
    happy trading. i have an exam this week :(
  • gosh you have the same evil thoughts LOL
  • Joe8888
    Its way early but........$COMPQ 20 min chart,,,,watching to see if this H&S plays out...or NOT!

    http://www.screencast.com/users/chartwiz/folder...
  • Nasdaq is hardly down at all, makes me suspect of any significant sell off
  • raised_by_wolves
    COMP has support from its 200 month EMA.
  • yes and may break up above 1730
  • raised_by_wolves
    I'm talking about COMP (in TOS Charts)/$COMPQ (in TOS Prophet). What are you talking about? I don't know what you mean by 1730. Sorry, if I'm not making sense this morning.
  • I am talking futures. sorry, :)
  • raised_by_wolves
    No problem :-)
  • :-D
  • Possible bear trap before earnings
  • Very well could be Scrill. :)
  • innatedc
    Except I don't think any bear is fooled right now....at least not on this board.
  • i'm getting my tinfoil hat, been screaming nasdaq and now...
  • ROFL hahahaha :-D
  • Finally someone else seems to recognize what is going on...

    Skål!
  • :-)
  • anthem
    anna, it looked like a real controlled down swing as well. No real downward pressure that made you believe that it wasn't in control for them to turn around. Almost like a bear trap or a controlled stop sweep. . .
  • thanks Anthem, I am staying the course for now :)
  • innatedc
    Looks as though we may consolidate here for awhile til this aft....
  • jaxon
    Thought this community might be interested in a look at where we are in terms of Gann. I have attached Gann Wheel (9 squared). I have taken off the last digit of our pricing so that we can fit this on the wheel. It really doesn't matter in terms of position. Our all time high on SPX+ 1576 (157), the March low was 666.79 (67) and our 2nd wave high thus far is 1080.15 (108). OK, so we have 157 to 667 and 667 to 108. Find these numbers on the wheel. What do you see? Do you think Gann's 50% rule might apply? The pendulum swings.
    OK, now look for 73 (the number of weeks in PW1) and 31 (the number of weeks in PW2 thus far). What do you see?

    Remember this goes back to the Greek's Pythagorus and is the mathematical basis for the Pyramids. In fact, Gann had a replica of one of the pyramids (Giza) on his desk.

    My thought is that there are certain truths that are immutable. Perhaps Gann was onto them.

    http://www.screencast.com/t/JNUNGRE7ZL
  • Osso
    any help, as to what must i see....furthet to the opposite place of 73 and 31.....??? tks.
  • jaxon
    Go back to Gann's wheel and look across the wheel 90 degees from 108. That would be the 50% target if this rule is in force. Deduct 50%, or add from significant high, or respective low, for taget price.
  • Osso
    its albanian for me ......jax...pls translate..if you may...anyway, tks for reply
  • jaxon
    If Gann's wheel satifies his 50% rule and we are in fact going to retrace that much we should be at 540 on SPX in less than 2 yrs. This week, BTW, is the 2nd birthday of the bear market.
  • unless there is an erlyier correction... recheck your chart with an intermediate double botton soon
  • jaxon
    the U.S. thinks they sit in the cat bird's seat but their creditors are not
    fools. the Chinese especially. they have sold their debt cheaply and will
    buy it back dearly....that or risk default. either way the markets stand to
    suffer greatly.

    there is a limit to the inflation game and FOMC gum service is proof that
    they are running out of options. bullshit (pun intended) has served them
    thus far but i fear the game is nearing an end.

    stand ready.

    jax
  • do you kinow the joke of bacon and eggs? the chicken participates, the pig is commited

    I'm all in, for better or for worse, wouldn't be the first time I lose 50 k on a bad bet (and won it back 1k here, 5k there)
  • jaxon
    LOL. been there, done that as well. there is little doubt, certainly by
    futures at moment, that we may go higher. but if you're out a ways you
    should do just fine. short term we're due for a pullback at any time. let's
    see....8 months up straight...hullo? 6 of the last 7 days up with the one
    day down being minor. that's wildly overbought. the probabilities certainly
    favor short side. but i think we're gonna get hit today.
  • jaxon
    Thank you. you know, Steely, I've just about given up chasing the short
    term. the old saw, "if they don't scare you out, they'll wear you out",
    comes to mind. i'm 80% cash with 20% in long dated OTM puts. i will add to
    these if this beast chooses to go higher. there are too many things that
    point the other direction for me to play the MM game. the facts can only be
    swept under the rug for so long. no one in the history of the planet has
    ever borrowed their way to prosperity. anyone that thinks they can is a
    fool.

    Ole (with accent). Bring on el toro.

    el jaxon
  • jaxon
    my thought is that it points to a signifcance between the numbers. 73 wks. PW1 and 31 wks. PW2. that is my assumption. while i am making assumptions,
    i should think it points to a change in trend. the evidence is certainly beginning to mount. but then..... (-: not sure i'd bet the ranch on it
    short term. however, i would begin looking for the turn right now.

    jaxon
  • jaxon
  • gmak
    Umm any 2 points make a straight line. Are the 73 and 31 significant because they are on corners?

    The other 3 points sort of line up.

    So what. What if you had used days instead of weeks, and chopped a digit off, or not. Would it still have the same significance?

    Is there any significance to this?
  • jaxon
    it is how he pinpointed turns in the market. 50% retrace was big with him
    as were prices that fell on 45 degrees. the thing that i am gaga over is
    that with the pricing we find 1080 exactly in the middle in terms of high
    and low. this Gann would have certainly found useful. remember, you are
    looking down at a pyramid as well as a sphere. fascinating. it is time and
    space in graphic form.
  • jaxon
  • jaxon
  • chilling
    Jaxon, what should one take away from it? Tia
  • innatedc
    I'm hooked but I have no idea what to look for....
  • hehehe Hi Inna how's things?
  • innatedc
    Good Anna...thanks...were you looking to get long BIDU for a bounce?
  • already in a call spread. :) glad to hear it
  • Good stuff Jax, you got me hooked :)
  • Bidu nearly retraced 61.8 from its highs, I never got filled, so I guess we will see what happens :)

    I took off the sell.
  • AS2009
    Anna - BIDU retraced 38.2 from the Oct 2 lows ... cancelling my sell order for now ... since we are also bouncing off channel bottom ...

    You entering again ?
  • no mine never filled I took off the order still in :)
  • Trader_Steve
    Here's a song for GS...the center of all evil, especially in Galbraith's "The Crash:1929"

    http://www.wikio.co.uk/video/1362079

    Steve

    P.S. Pay attention to the 3 min mark



  • Joe8888
    Transport Chart daily Update......

    http://www.screencast.com/users/chartwiz/folder...
  • Trader_Steve
    We need more waves down...Look like from the close 1-2-i-ii-iii

    Steve
  • It looks even worse in /NQ, which still hasn't broken yesterday's lows.

    Skål!
  • I am missing a 4th and 5th wave to complete any 1 from yesterday's action. I see a nice 1,2,3, but then I see a 3 wave rally, plus what we got today. Not saying it doesn't look impulsive, just missing to crucial waves there.

    Skål!
  • centerline
    Holy stop sweeps Batman. Gap fill not near touched. Looks to be an interesting day.
  • TheCrowe
    Berk,
    I think Herr Mole mentioned that any SPX moves below 1020 (I think 1019.95 to be precise) would wreck everyone's counts right? Is the SPX getting down to or below this level part of the dastardly scenario set out above that would ruin many EWavers? Best, Richard
  • Yup. It would still be a clean wave count: Intermediate X wave flat, that would be a double top (bearish), likely produce a break below 1020 (bearish), and then be looking for new highs (deviously evil). Also, if it were a flat, that would have us falling in a larger 5 wave move (which appears to be the case), that would have all the Elliotticians looking for lower lows, as the larger trend had turned down.

    Granted, I will be skeptical if we fall in 5 waves, but it really depends on what the momentum and breadth are looking like towards the bottom of the C wave of (X) (1020ish). Strong expanding downside, and my flat count could be trash. But right now, this count certainly takes the #1 for a devious, confusing, frustrating market pattern.

    Skål!
  • skynard
    wow, what was that?
  • Adding to Google BF for 2.05 Nov 540/560/580
  • Joe8888
    Update 10 min SPY.

    http://www.screencast.com/users/chartwiz/folder...

    107.00 is still a Big Number,,,,like to see a - 2 candle close -under that.

    Nice tail here,on the 10 min,,,

    another chart 10 min SPY......

    http://www.screencast.com/users/chartwiz/folder...
  • AS2009
    Liking candles on BIDU ... forr a push up ... Berk thoughts ?

    Also, BIDU reached bottom of channel ... 405 ... if it breaks that ... all hell breaks loose ..
  • Given current market action, and my outlook for the rest of the week, I am thinking any lower than here and it is toast. Right now the 3rd wave is already to 2.00. Farther than I would like to see for a zig-zag. Not feeling the love on this one.

    Skål!
  • bshah
    Berk,
    Are you still in MA ? and looking to hold till earnings..? Credit Suisse upgraded y'day I think..
  • Berk is out of MA for the time being. The rally on Thursday of last week went a little farther than I would have liked...

    Skål!
  • AS2009
    Still holding bidu or waiting for a bounce to get out ?
  • A bounce at this point isn't going to give me any more money. I am nearly $40 OTM at this point with front months. No use hanging on (for me) here.

    Skål!
  • Ditto :)
  • dollar
    Dear Meredith, just a little thank you note for juicing up the FAZ I bought yesterday - thought I was a goner when it closed on the high! Between you and and Bloomberg talking about the mortgage collection contracts things could be looking up (er, down!)

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarch...
  • gmak
    We're at a decision point on the 34 min EUR, based on TD indicators. Could see a bounce here (1.4801). If not, then it will plunge hard. 3 min EUR shows 1.4790 as support - which turns into a downward catapult if breached decisively (close below, next bar opens lower and closes even lower).
  • innatedc
    34 min Euro? Interesting time frame, specific to Demark?....BTW good morning all, back from my trip to Minneapolis....
  • Carl V
    I think our friend here likes to use fibonacci numbers :-)
  • innatedc
    Figured as such...
  • gmak
    I'm not Danish. 34 min is a FIB number. It's just a "night light" thing.

    I find 1 hour too long for my trading horizon. 30 minutes is ok, but I like the FIB thing.
  • Your not a speller either are you? He said DeMark, not Denmark. :-P

    With the quality of your posts, you don't have to read or spell. We will give you a break.

    Skål!
  • gmak
    That's [you're] to you buddy! :-)
  • And no actually it IS "your."

    :-P

    Skål!
  • gmak
    Nope. It's supposed to be "You are not a speller"... The contraction for you are is you're.

    But it doesn't matter.
  • Got ya. I was looking at the your in "your posts."

    Damn. I suck at grammar.

    Skål!
  • gmak
    But you add SO MUCH value to the discussions......




    ________________________________
  • You too mate. Perhaps we can both agree to put our English 101 mishaps behind us and only worry about the quality analysis we both love to put out...

    (unless that was sarcasm, in which case I am saved by my ineptitude)

    Skål!
  • gmak
    Nope. When I bring out the sarcasm, since there is no contextual reference, I usually put <sarcasm> around it.

    I actually respect your work.
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