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Berk here

with a mother-load indicator post.  Your browser will die (24 charts), but there was no real good way to display all this information at one time without killing your poor machine.  Just make the quick timely sacrifice, and you may feast upon the fruits inside.  I’ll be as fast as possible here, as these are mostly updated charts from The Bigger Picture (Browser Death Style).  I’ve posted the information important to the charts (i.e. my opinion) :-P below the chart.   That said, let’s jump in head first.

$CPC pussy-footing around.

$CPC pussy-footing around.

$CPC never pulled back far enough for me.  The 10day hit the target range, but with no love from either the 20 or 50.  Not good enough for me…

$NYMO doing some serious coiling here.

$NYMO doing some serious coiling here.

$NYMO just rallied off a nice bottom in the 10day.  We need a push back to the upper boundary or we are just looking for another bottom (unless the bottom trendline breaks).

Waiting for 50day to give way.

Waiting for 50day to give way.

$NYHL keeps on trucking away.  Look for the 50day to act as support for the 10day (should we be so lucky).  A divergence would be suweet.

All trendlines (arrows) have given way (to their respective MA).

All trendlines (arrows) have given way (to their respective MA).

$NYAD has broken it’s uptrending lines, we should be looking for a retest in the 20 and 50day, and a spike in the 10day towards the Dec 08/Jan 09 highs.  That would set up another nice divergence.

Flattening out is looking good, but still fricking high...

Flattening out is looking good, but still fricking high...

$BPNYA is still stuck around the 80% range.  This is the market asking for trouble.  So close, but I am waiting for confirmation before sticking my hand back in the fire.  Should we break the MA cluster, and have the 10day start to drop, keep a careful eye on the slope of the 10day.  If we are REALLY dropping, it should fall off the plate.  No steep decline in the 10day, and we have another dip buying opportunity.

$SPXA50R has a potential double top, but confirmation is a long way off.

$SPXA50R has a potential double top, but confirmation is a long way off.

Look for MA support at each of the color-coded trendlines.  A double top is possible here (bearish sign fo’ shizzle) but confirmations comes below 40 (10day), 47 (20day) or 65 (50day).  Still a little way before we know for sure.  In the meantime, technically speaking, a push back to new highs would be screaming top, as 90+% of $SPX stocks would be above their 50day MA.

Absurdity...

Absurdity...

Flattening out (thank god, do we REALLY need to see 100% of $SPX stocks above their 200MA?) but this can last a while.  Notice the bottom where we put in a quad bottom before blasting off.  Watch for the 10day to start expanding it’s range, and we will know we are getting close.  50day was flat for 4 months before it took off from the bottom.  We are pushing 1 month here (if you stretch), but we could continue to see the 50day this high if we don’t pull back in a steep drop.  Like I said, watch the 10day to start acting a little more lively.

Gimme that spike...

Gimme that spike...

$BKX…  Yadda yadda channel, double top, yadda yadda.  Maybe, maybe not, but what will seal the deal for me is one of those LOVELY spikes.  I’m looking for somewhere in the 52.5 to 55 range.  We are at the bottom channel resistance right now…

Mystery chart revealed.

Mystery chart revealed.

Here is the Mystery Chart from a few days back.  A few of you guessed it, but here it is in the flesh.  $KRX is coiling away.  I favor an upside spike.  If it IS a triangle, we have our five three wave moves.  Either way it breaks it should be pretty telling (triangle or not).  Another thing I noticed was a interesting cup and handle fractal.  Not a firm believer, and definitely not a trader of cup and handle formations, but this would favor an upside resolution also.

Looking for another drop in LQD

Looking for another drop in LQD

A 4th wave after that massive 3rd wave should take some more time and price movement to retrace the prior move.  As I said before, I expect LQD to rally for a bit after the markets top.

$TNX is starting to tick on up...

$TNX is starting to tick on up...

I’d like to see a push back up into the 36-37 range where strong previous resistance would correspond with the down-sloping trendline.  Not sure what else to say here as I don’t want to elaborate on the multiple more months of rally we could see.

$GOLD with a potential fractal

$GOLD with a potential fractal

Not much to say here.  I think most of us are looking for a spike towards 1100 at the least.  There is a little pattern (yes, it looks like a flag or pennant, but that is not the point) that came about before the prior blow-off, where the MACD was showing equal highs (SLIGHT divergence in histogram) while $GOLD was pushing to new highs.  As we should be close to a blow-off peak, I can see this occurring.  Also, how many times to we see commodities consolidate around a high.  Just not feeling it yet.

$WTIC fairly in step with $SPX

$WTIC fairly in step with $SPX

From a charting perspective, I would really like to see a deeper retracement, and a blow-off.  Preferably while the market is dropping, corresponding to a blow-off in $GOLD.  But hell, that’s mental masturbation, AND bad for my wallet.  We got a little divergence, but nothing spectacular.  Next resistance is a bit above 85.

$INDU:$GOLD without waves.  Two potentials here that I will get in depth with in just a second.  Basically, we have a nice support range we are sitting on top of right now.  A drop into that without a rally above could create an ugly (poor) looking H/S top.  However, should the range truly be support, we should be looking for a move back towards the 11 range.  This would happen quickly if $GOLD were to drop while $INDU pushed to a high.

$NDX:$GOLD ration showing potential wave counts

$NDX:$GOLD ration showing potential wave counts

I said we would get into it, and here it is.  I am using $NDX because I have always believed that it offers a cleaner count.  $NDX:$GOLD ratio appears to be a step ahead of the game.  That means we are at a turning point here.  If the ratio continues to drop (equal highs and a marginally higher low right now) the top should be in.  If the ratio can hang on in a wave 2 (either minor or minute degree) or push to new highs in a 5th wave, we are likely 2 highs from a top in $SPX.

Zoomed in $NDX:$GOLD

Zoomed in $NDX:$GOLD

A little closer look at the potential wave count (and alternates) that I have running.

$GOLD:$SILVER ratio getting complacent

$GOLD:$SILVER ratio getting complacent

If we continue to consolidate sideways, we are still waiting for Godot.  If we can push up however, it should be a another bit of evidence pointing to a top.

Don’t worry we’re almost done.

$NDX:$SPX ratio helps to gauge speculation

$NDX:$SPX ratio helps to gauge speculation

Awfully near a speculative peak… MAs could be acting like they were at the ‘07 peak, or we could just be coiling for one final push.  While there is a divergence right now between the $SPX and $NDX:$SPX ratio, I cannot say with confidence that that is a bearish sign.  Last time it happened, we were topping minor wave 2, not at a new high.

$BDI putting in a lower high?

$BDI putting in a lower high?

The black boxes are to be ignored.  If $BDI can’t get above 3500, we would have ourselves more lower lows and lower highs.  Pushing above 3500 would strengthen the likelihood of a new high in $BDI and also $SPX.

Potential double top waiting to get confirmed?

Potential double top waiting to get confirmed?

$TRAN is in lockstep with $SPX.  Starting to fall off here, but it could just be a larger 4th wave before a final push up.  Wait for the double top to be confirmed, as you can see what happened the last 2 times we had that potential pattern.

Really close to being done.

Everyone loves Goldman's Sack

What will $UTIL do?

$UTIL is stuck between a strong support and some thin air.  Not sure which one would be more likely to give.  I did mention last time I destroyed your browser, that the $UTIL has a habit of hanging around longer than the $SPX.  So if we do push into the wild blue yonder, that would not necessarily be bullish for the markets.  Right now, nothing is giving.

Goldman Sucks

Goldman Sucks

While GS (and perhaps the market with it) is likely due for a little more correction, I am not real confident we will make it through that support range.  We also have a rising trendline to add to that support.  IMO, we’ll see push above 200 (I know, shocking).

I would not bet my dollar bottom.

I would not bet my dollar bottom.

If we blast higher from here, the bottom is in.  If not, and by not, I mean, if by the open on Monday the /DX is not flying higher and not looking back, I would be looking for another low.  I’d really like to see a spike down and quick reversal (that would coincidentally correspond to a commodity blow-off), but hey, if I could control the markets right…

Again, thanks for the pretty charts Berk, but WTF does that mean.  That means that while the last time I posted all this, EVERYTHING was bullish.  This time, it’s much more of a mixed board.  At present, I am still leaning towards one final push at 1120.  However, a number of single indicators would quickly have me changing my mind if they flashed a signal.

Below however, is my biggest concern to the bearish case (120min candles).

4th in a series of fractals.

4th in a series of fractals.

As you can see, and should already be well aware of, we have a potential fractal setting up again.  We put in a high with a sideways retracement (4th wave) put in a spike high, followed be a sharp drop and steep rally.  Their is a final drop, and a trendline connecting the spike high to the rally peak creates the break-out.  If this is to be the case, we should expect some drop Monday morning, pushing outside the 2.0BB before riding the elevator back to (and through) the break-out level.  If this is a fractal, the current one is moving at a much more rapid pace than the others, just something to note.

A final thought.  Once we start to drop (in the next larger move down {P3 or whatever it may be at this point}) we should see a solid rise in the ATR of individual equities.  I am starting to see some of the smaller names flash this sign, but not enough right now, without the support of other indicators, to get too short.

Thanks for bearing with me through that.  It was a lot of info, and horrible for your computer, but I think we will all survive.  With that, I leave you to your weekend.  I have plenty more tickers and counts I will try to get up in the discussion board this weekend, but in the meantime, you have your topic(s), talk amongst yourselves.

Berkster out!

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    Now shut up hamster boy - you got your wish!
  • thank you
  • Bart7
    Beating the Street is an easy feat for companies
    Beating the Street is easy: Companies game the system to surpass earnings estimates
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Beating-the-Street-is-an-easy-apf-821044028.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
  • raised_by_wolves
    Although I do see that the $GOLD:$SILVER ratio tends to have an inverse correlation with $SPX, I'm too inexperienced with indicators to know why—not that I necessarily need to know why since I can already trade this based on what I see. Nevertheless, I'm curious, and I would be happy to listen to anyone who is knowledgeable enough to explain the reasons.
  • gold as reserve, as things go seriously down the drain it's the thing people trust most
  • Think about it rats: Gold divided by Silver, right? So, if the ratio increases that means that Gold is either increasing in price in comparison with Silver, Silver is decreasing in price compared with Gold, or any type of combination thereof.

    If the ratio decreases (just like now) it basically means that Silver is catching up with Gold - if the ratio was 1 then Silver would be on par with Gold. If the ratio increases, it means that Silver is losing relative to Gold. Get it? Got it! Good!

    So, why is this happening? Silver is more seen as a commodity during economic turmoil and assets retreat into ostensibly 'safe assets' like gold. Thus Silver loses in value relative to Gold, the ratio increases, and voila, here's your inverse correlation.

    Careful with trading correlations however - there are times when they can suddenly break or soften: http://screencast.com/t/OzeJbxfwHZW
  • raised_by_wolves
    Double thanks! (The first was on your new post).
  • Glad you get it too mate...

    Skål!
  • raised_by_wolves
    Thanks. Am I correct in thinking that $GOLD:$SILVER is a leading indicator? Also, how does the $GOLD:$SILVER ratio compare to other $GOLD-focused indicators?
  • I would consider it a leading pressure but it can fail (i.e. paper gold is being sold short as equities are driven higher to block that effect)
  • raised_by_wolves
    Stainless Steel, you're one smart Hamster.
  • but not very wise nor smart enough, still haveto figure out their pain threshold and roadmap
  • ok rats, one thing, next one to post on double identity will get ip ban (blocking a secondary profile is just a joke)

    Now for some serious soul searching (and I have more serious aka market searching to do)

    Yes we are all edgy
    Yes that sometimes brings some rants

    No, you can't say certain things hiding behind a mask

    1. because that is one sure way to get banned
    2. because the only ban I saw was an honor issue so I see no excuse for that "fear"

    Furthermore

    there are ways of talking and being heard after knowing how to ear. get used to them when you deal with crisis situations

    best regards

  • Blind_Squirrel
    Berk:

    Could ya next time post a few more charts!!!! LOL

    Latest report from Martin Armstong on cycles:

    http://www.sandspring.com/graphs06/huygens.pdf
  • raised_by_wolves
    Berk, the 10 day MA on $NYHL turning downward looks like a sell signal to me. Sure, it could be a false one, but a tradable drop may already be in progress, don't you think?
  • People, if this is the first time you post think that people don't know you and don't have to take certain comments.

    I don't give the same latitude for profiles without serious history as to comments from known or serious posters

    Stay civil and you basicaly can say anything

    As we all know people are edgy, let's keep things in a calm note.

    best regards to all and BTW, chillout, if it wasn't hit and run you can read what you wrote and think for a while

    p.s. I don't do editing, it's all or nothing, so if I find something offensive I don't "correct" parts, I terminate the comment. Clear?

  • chillout
    It wasn't the first time I've posted. I just created a new user to post - because what I had to say would get me banned if Mole was in a pissed off mood, which is his mood of late. I like this normally EXCELLENT site except when the comparing and complaining happens. You will note that in the few minutes the post was up 3 people chose like this comment.

    Btw I appreciate your reasonable moderation on the post. Please consider letting Mole see what you deleted however because I really think he needs to see it. Mole has built in a very short time a very vibrant community that he should be proud of VERY proud of, and instead he berates it when the comments are comparable in quantity to other sites. This has to stop as it is a community wrecker.

    And Mole, NO its not a healthy option for you to just say "fuck it, I don't need this shit from people" and shut the site down, just like it isn't healthy for people to say nothing and just let you rant away. You can do that, that is shut the site down, but its only going to make you feel good temporarily. The core issue will still be there.

    Relax you are WAY BETTER than you think you are AND this site is appreciated very much by the trading community. I have personally sent a number of traders who normally read very few trading sites and they have commented on how good this site normally is.

  • chillout, post as yourself and the post holds if you hold (the terms would have been on the edge for a first poster)

    p.s. it's late for me so please do it quick
  • Actually, I saw that post and it was pretty insightful. But I agree with Hamster - post here as yourself - don't create anonymous IDs to speak your mind thinking you will get an audience this way and avoid getting blocked.

    I can take a lot of heat if you back it up with facts - only trolls and idiots get banned/blocked and the post I saw didn't look like it was written by an idiot. Anyway, I didn't delete it - must have been Hamster Boy wielding his newly gained super powers.
  • yes I did had to choose, made my choice. the sequence belonged in a signed post or in a private (even if anonymous) private mail to the admin of ES, as it was I was removing all of it.

    It was my call to think of the effect on ES (not particularly on you) of letting these type (double identity) posts exist.

    my super powers were used as a last resort.

    best regards
  • chillout
    MODERATED

    For a first post ever... not the best terms. Still not banned though a single post profile ..

  • Tronacate
    Hey Berk......just got on after a long relaxing weekend not contemplating the market.....thanks for the nice chart work and interpretations..
    I do REALLY appreciate the work.......cheers
  • Thanks for the great post and charts!
  • amokta
    just had an idea, if i buy a long exp otm call along with a long exp otm put, for similar premium, then provided the market doesnt stay at the same level, i would likely make profit, whichever directon the market went, provided it was a significant move?
    The Bamster at baminvestor.com is saying spx to go 5xx in next few months ?
  • Corto
    That's a long strangle, and I've looked at them thinking the same thing, like, hell, AIG in 6 months, if anything is NOT going to be where it is right now. But the further out you go, the more obvious it becomes that the people making the market for the options know the same thing and calculate the price based off many items, including volatility, so when you try to place this strategy on a very volatile stock, you will pay lots of premium and the stock has to move a lot, usually more than even the worst or best case scenario is in your mind.
  • amokta
    thanks, i made the mistake (time will tell!) of buying dec 10 spx 700 puts
    could buy some calls say spx 1300 (similar price). anyway just a thought, as new to options, so might just stick with unidirectional play !
  • TheMacroEconomist
    Ah I'd asked you the other night if those were the SPX 700 Dec. 10 LEAPS puts ticker SPLXA, or the SPX 700 Dec. 09 puts ticker SPZXT. The Dec. 09's would be real 40-cent lottery tickets - not much you could do with those except hope for a trap door popping open on the SPX really soon.

    With the Dec. 10s there are a lot more things you can do with them. Legging in with the SPX 1300 Dec. 10 calls would nake a helluva strangle, I'd call it the Hail Mary Strangle. The 1300 level was where SPX was on 2 Sept. 2008 right before the crash, 700 was SPX in early March 2009 just before it ended .

    Incidentally the 1300 Dec. 10 calls ticker SXGLW will NOT get you delta neutral. You would actually start off with about a 10% bullish bias. So the 700/1300 strangle would INITIALLY make about $10 per contract for every SPX point up (or lose $10 for each SPX point down).

    The reason for this is that the SPX volatility smile is more like a smirk. Lower strikes and puts are overpriced relative to higher strikes and calls. To make it delta neutral you would need the 1400 Dec. 10 calls ticker SXGLA, which cost a lot less. But then it REALLY becomes the Hail Mary Strangle - you'd be targeting the 2008 yearly highs that happened in April long before any crash.

    Before you do the strangle, perhaps also look at: Bull Put Spread.
  • amokta
    thanks - its definitely dec 2010 , spx 700 puts - doesnt say ticker on my brokers report, but assume its splxa (unless there is a non-leaps one for dec 2010). thanks again for info!
  • Corto
    Oops, 2010, not 2009. THen I think you've got a shot!
  • Corto
    Just bought those? I, along with a lot of others would love to see that number, but by Dec I think you likely threw money away. Puts on SPY, right? Good luck!
  • amokta
    Thanks - its dec 2010 i got, on the 'full' value spx 700 puts
  • we'll no new post, so I'll just say good night and expect ms market to keep her word and not be a tease

    p.s. ms market sent this postcard today, hope it means something
    http://thewebbytes.com/files/u1/bear-ly.jpg
  • I would have posted but the comment count here was so lousy after Berk's monster post that I didn't bother. Meanwhile the Slope got over 800 comments in the same time frame. I keep tell you rats - blogging for me is a 2-way street - I'm not incentivized to sacrifice my Sunday if I don't see anyone here.

    BTW, that comment does not apply to you Hamster boy - you've been extremely articulate here and you're quickly becoming one of my favorite stainless steel rat, which is why I made you a moderator.
  • Thank you sir but:

    1. Berks post is one followed by silence in it's nature (too many ideas and scenarios cruising our brain, too many axis to cross)

    2. On a similar (i.e. tech) post fuji had also 100 or something

    3. Rats feel they can't play here, they do it on slope and tim'ss fine with that, here if it goes beyond ten percent you remind... sternly... that if they want to jerk off there's redtube and they can chit -chat as much as they want with mommy. No fun but keeps people in their toes and looking where they should, the f"%$"ng numbers, charts and scenarios (remember I said I missed you on your vacations?)

    4. as steve noted in his poll, the rats are here on sunday

    So, Sir, with all due respect I want your post and some hours of sleep.

    Best regards
  • whatdoumean "Rats feel they can't play here"???
    I started to drink and play from the day I discovered ES (may be this is why I am still not banned - smart people are not getting offended by old drunks :)

    P.S> HEY - "with all due respect" - those are MY famous last words!!!!
  • LOL
  • LOL - regarding 1) - you are so right. I said that to Berk the other day - told him: "Post something completely obvious and mediocre and you probably get a raging dialog" :-)

    2) Please don't compare Berk with Fuji - the Berk-meister trades circles around that woman.
  • 2 was an edit so.

    Berk has more noodles around his brain than most (and I'm noodly enough) that's called high paralel processing and maybe quantum thinking (i.e. you keep thousand of scenarios open and try collapsing hem as soon as they die, as you open others), most can't even grasp the concept less alone use it.

    Fuji is a down to earth very capable trader who knows her instruments. And she presents a thorough approach.

    What I meant was that even her posts ilicit less comments than most at soh, that says a lot.

  • And right now that would be useless, the walls are getting harder and I think we must discover the new rules of the game, I had started a comment on that , I'll finish it (i.e. clean it) and post it for reflexion.

    The basic premise is that 1)EWT does work on masses and 2)is used for leading the herd (i.e. is susceptible of manipulation) but 3) has limits on crossed domains and/or there are pain tresholds that MM don't dare to take
  • Mole? how about a "NEW POST"?

    berk's had his weekend of fame and I'd like to read your call before tucking in for a nap (remember i'm at GMT) ... just once I could try and sleep more than 5 hours

    best regards

    p.s. when a restaurant or a store does soemething I find unacceptable I usualy do one thing, I vote with my feet and say " The're fined, won't get my money for..XX months". I also decided that on first ofenses I don't say more than 6 months. Care to give jack some hope? I think he understood that he did a big, big, BIG poopoo and he'll pay for it, care to think on the subject and tell him how long he'll have to spend in purgatory?
  • Jack will be in purgatory for the foreseeable future - he really disappointed me deeply with his remarks. I guess like everyone else he's going to seek exile on the Slope.
  • I Know, he knows, care to use my rule? 6 months for first offense?

    WHen there is an end there is hope.
  • gmak
    A little something for a slow Sunday night...... At least until Asia opens. Enjoy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5EFEQ9aY6o&feature=player_embedded#
  • Bart7
    Capmark Bankruptcy was anticipated:
    NEW YORK, Oct 12 (Reuters) - Capmark Financial Group Inc., the commercial real estate company created through a 2006 leveraged buyout of certain GMAC assets, is preparing to file for bankruptcy possibly by the end of next week, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation.
  • BCS - Double top below 22.50
    BGC - Double top below 36.50, triple top below 32.5 - http://screencast.com/t/fo3GdcuOMw6
    CE - Still looking fabulous
    MDR - Primed for a big move - http://screencast.com/t/gVXjPEpHsYM
    WDC - H/S top, nice break-down - http://screencast.com/t/X7ilThq2LpB

    Skål!

  • moneyfarm
    Thanks for sharing those. I liked WDC also and it's nice that earnings are out of the way.
  • innatedc
    Love MDR and WDC (especially) on that list, Berk. Question on your use of ATR- Do you just use it for volume spikes or also as a guide for stops as well....just curious.
  • I use ATR as a reversal indicator. As momentum tends to wane at the end of a trend, a sudden spike in the ATR usually indicates a reversal the day it is happening. Also helps be make sure the train is moving before I get on board.

    Skål!
  • innatedc
    Just noticing WDC sitting right on 50MA....will be setting an alert for just below that....
  • gmak
    Wonderful series of charts aside, here is a little kiss of death, possibly, for SPX: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=abkxwVZ_eXi0 Capmark Files for Bankruptcy After Posting Quarterly Loss By Dawn McCarty Oct. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Capmark Financial Group Inc., the lender owned by firms including Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and KKR & Co., filed for bankruptcy protection after posting a second- quarter loss of about $1.6 billion. Horsham, Pennsylvania-based Capmark is one of the largest U.S. commercial real estate finance companies, with more than $10 billion in originations, according to Moody’s Investors Service. The company services more than $360 billion of debt.
  • fa_q
    ES lining up to open only down -.50 so it's not causing any worry before the unlock
  • ok FA_Q this is an old thread we should be in private. You were wrong and called on your error, you escalated on some terms that were a bit out of line and bob punched you in the balls. It hurts but you started and kept rising the fight.

    Now get back to ES, people miss you (god knows why... just kidding, sometimes you're hard on people but we have tough skin) and if you didn't like it it wouldn't be your major venting place

    BTW, from an external view bob was mild on you, but ES is no pissing contest, you give, you take, you learn, you critic others... we learn

    hope this works out, if you're feeling exhausted, take a break, take some air and come back with your gutsy comments when you're ok. If you want to talk, just answer on this thread.

    best regards
  • gsavli
    Yea and even Titans are only -0.2 so far. Nothing bearish here so far...
  • gmak
    No one is paying any attention right now.
  • innatedc
    Another retail...KSS. This one is interesting cause it did not make lows in March but instead made them in Nov/08. A little fake over the 61.8 fib and then down.


    Weekly-
    http://www.screencast.com/users/innatedc/folders/Jing/media/8f4a1e78-f311-498f-b716-231afe1380c4


    Daily-
    http://www.screencast.com/users/innatedc/folders/Jing/media/32b6534e-f88b-4813-82a6-4bacbe35a24c
  • innatedc
    Good call...
  • innatedc
  • Macrawn
    That looks like a great short. It's really overbought as well. Nice find.
  • innatedc
    Thanks...
  • Are you looking at short now, or maybe if it slogs up to fill the gap, simultaneously the MACD will curl over to create at least a little negative divergence?
  • innatedc
    Depends on tommorrow morning....it may drop right away. Sometimes the gap doesn't fill on the way back up....its on the watch list for a confirmed sell signal.
  • I will set an alert also...these individual plays are where the best money is going to be made.

    I think it was Mole advice though...stay away from low liquidity put options because if a real P3 hits, there may be no buyers, or the spread will be sick.
  • innatedc
    Agreed. I don't even look at options with more than .10 (max .15) cent spreads.....
  • Looks great. One of my favorite short side plays.

    Skål!
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  • neophyte
    Berk,

    terrific post. Great information.

    Folks, from my vantage point.comments critique appreciated.


    http://www.screencast.com/users/neophyte/folders/Jing/media/eb005c6c-c3f7-4aea-80d5-ce7c099f570d
  • to mess you up a little more... I dare you

    go to stock charts and do a $SPX:$GOLD chart

    try making a count that holds in both...
  • neophyte
    Could you be more explicit? Not sure I follow. Tks
  • think of gold as the long term real money and S&p over gold would be REAL price of s&p (in ounces of gold) now compare s&p evolution and wave count with real s&p
  • neophyte
    thanks. I had a hunch but guess it got lost in translation.

    In case I come across as I bull, I am far from it. I understand only too well the mess we are in. Just given the shenanigans of the last 6 months, I have decided to give the long count the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps, that is exactly what Mole refers to. Bears becoming gun shy.

  • not realy, I just said that you might want to check real s&p as well, at the beggining of this thread I presented some noodles and scenarios and asked for bulish couts and targets.

    these are hard times and we are supposed to get richer, not poorer for using our brains. So there is no perma bear tag around these corners, just people saying "not yet", "not enough for a meaningful correction".

    best regards
  • In regards to your number 9) point and RFI---

    Cut out 4 pie shaped pieces of cardboard encompassing 90deg of angle each.

    Write S&P 200, S&P 300, S&P400 and S&P500 on the Pie Pieces.

    Attach to dart board in appropriate geometry.

    Throw a dart.
  • neophyte
    LOL): Thanks. I guess what I meant was how I could show possible path on the chart since the channells get truncated at the end.
  • Scoops
    Not sure if you all have watched the Ascent of Money series, but the entire thing is on youtube. Of particular interest is episode two on bonds. Bill Gross makes an appearance. Very cool, and very educational.

    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=FEC454E538F8CE64&search_query=ascent+of+money



  • I have already talked about my doubts about paper/etf gold

    as for where to keep bullion (I know steve, you've been crying your ass off trying to warn people) or anything else

    a small omen of things to come

    http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1222777/The-raid-rocked-Met-Why-gun-drugs-op-6-717-safety-deposit-boxes-cost-taxpayer-fortune.html
  • ultrabear and david dt, there is something for both of you as a repost on a UB comment down there

    best regards
  • TLT:JNK - new low indicates there is no sign of risk aversion in the bond market as of yet, possible turning point though - http://screencast.com/t/NJ1gTGVzgH
  • Bart7
    This got my attention, Peter Grandich who has been a very good market timer this year and was until yesterday looking for a further rally in the Dow to 10,500 or higher, suddenly turned cautious / bearish. Also referred to Mark Leibovit as influencing his decision...
    http://grandich.agoracom.com/
  • http://screencast.com/t/5T6qJdrppM

    OK last time I post this--it's a three way tie for "favorite trading blog". There is also a link to a petition letter created by James DePorre to block the trader tax. The trader tax would pretty much kill trading as a way to earn money.

    Cast your vote and join the petition -- the petition take less than 5 minutes, so please do it.

    http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/2009/10/trader-tax-very-easy-to-email-your.html
  • Macrawn
    You can get a GS pump job going there.
  • 9orchids
    Have sent my letters to Congress.
  • ES winning so far :-)
  • what is "ES"?
  • easy spectator?

    ahhh, it must be what I voted for, Evil speculator, you know, that mole person thingy

    there is even a dave characte around that hangs ther almost as much as in his own blog (trading with wind... I think)

    ROTLOL
  • Steveo
    thank you for including my lonely site in the poll - I am honored to be in the list with such sites as EvilSpeculator and Daneric
    And - you did good by including Centrifugal - this is the most unique writing style out there (and no questions about market timing abilities)
  • Centrifugal... just took a peek or two lately because of his participation here... if you say his timings are good... he jumped in on the bears last week

    BTW, Planet Yelnic as some interesting reflexionts as well
  • And good ol' Cent D finds the most awesome pictures he puts on his posts.

    They are so good I save them!
    http://screencast.com/t/bjtwJLqDC
  • I might have mis-phrased
    I ti snot only about timing (that is just one component) - it is mostly about feeling I get when I watch his actions - he's been there, done that...if you know what I mean...
  • absolutely, that's the crazy mentals part, I also do it all the time , BTW reposted the stuff I had asked your oppinion (but it was a vodka night for you ;-) )
  • Oh no! You killed Kenny!

    (kenny's TA could also be in the poll, nice guy, very open to alt counts, good blog, a lot of participation)
  • There were some I missed, Kenny, Bluechip Bulldog, Dr. Brett. Maybe Ill run the poll again in a few months.

    Looks like ES followers are up on Sunday getting ready for the week, and Slopers are asleep at the wheel. Zero additional votes for Timmy, huh?

    http://screencast.com/t/lTqWaj3akap
  • stainless steel criters don't do sundays, don't sleep, don't have any luck lattely

    LOL
  • I just slept 10 hours....havent done that in years...must be yet another in the long list of 300 or so "Signs of a top". Now pounding Kona coffee...charts and coffee is good stuff.

    That blog didnt make my list either.
  • Fantastic post
    Short-term though, SPY at an important support area. Breaking below 107.50 will print a short-term head and shoulder as well as a lower low. With earnings season fading out, let's see if we are going to get some profit taking...
    http://tinyurl.com/yl5gkz7
  • charles_smith
    Rhae and Bearinator both made a key point: this market isn't "normal." Even Mole concluded this, hence his revised focus. There was only one retrace (July) which punched below the 50 SMA for a day a two. Whether this is because "they" didn't allow a normal market or if it is simply the result of unprecedented liquidity chasing all asset classes doesn't matter. The conclusion, as Bearinator suggests is: why should this top reflect anything "normal"?

    Bearinator asked about 1987. I was not a chartist at the time but that crash is widely blamed on program trading with no collars. But credit spreads were widening, various other dislocations were lurking--it wasn't "just" a trading situation though that extended the drop.

    Now we have unlimited liquidity (borrowed at zero interest) and toxic debt has skyrocketed--even worthless FNM shot up, worthless Lehman bonds are catching a bid, and on and on. I am sensing we are close to a massive credit dislocation, one which might be completely hidden from the public and mainstream media.

    If this intuition is correct, there won't be time for things like the Hindenburg to form. There won't be time for new lows to match new highs. The rubber band has already been stretched way past that stage.

    "They" have trained even us Bears to tread so lightly that everyone expects one more spike. That's been the pattern for months now. The average rally last 5 months, this one is in month 8.

    The financials led this up and they are the logical choice to lead it down. That "sell" call on WFC might be a harbinger. That's why I'm in FAZ calls.

    As I posted here, I held my puts over the weekend. The Big Daddy data point is GDP on Thursday a.m. It is expected to be 3.5%, which considering the Federal govt borrowed 15% of GDP and threw it around is still pathetic. Everyone in the MSM is anxiously awaiting a spike on that "good news" which is past months would spike the market a couple hundred points as this "proves the recession is over."

    My sense is we sell off on the news. That 3-4% pop is so widely expected it would take a 5-6% GDP to impress the market and things just aren't that great to support it (rail traffic is flat, etc.)

    "Normally" the market is weak Sept./Oct. and strong Nov 1 through the Santa Claus rally. Since "they" extended the rally a couple months on thin volume, now we get the crash in Nov.

    When I worked in the back office of a small quant shop our clients were mutual fund managers--smart guys and gals. Does anyone actually think the smart players believe the Fox news-CNBC shills that the economy is fine now, buy buy buy? Of course not. They're watching for any weakness to dump. The really smart ones have already hedged or fanned out of their longs. So there's a crowded room which will rise in unison and rush for the exit.

    I think this is the week the crowd rises and suddenly realizes there are hundreds of people all fleeing for the same little exit. This is intuition, not TA. I know the charts don't reflect this and for goodness sakes don't follow me, but thought I'd share a massively speculative thought process.
  • "If this intuition is correct, there won't be time for things like the Hindenburg to form. There won't be time for new lows to match new highs. The rubber band has already been stretched way past that stage."

    Excellent POV - and as much as I appreciate Berk's chart - it's the same notion that occurred to me when I was reading this post. He's correct on all points - the only problem is - when it finally drops it'll happen extremely fast and violently as all the big players will exit rapidly, leaving only retail traders to hold the bag. So, we find ourselves in a conundrum: Go short now and potentially get theta-burned to death (or worse) for another month or two - or wait for confirmation, which will be way way beyond an ideal entry. I don't think it'll be an orderly descend this time - meaning, we most likely see that 7 month support line being breached and suddenly we find ourselves 100 SPX point lower with the VIX above 30 or higher.

    This is the one thought that has been torturing me for weeks now. Like Berk I am going through my tealeafs trying to find some sign that I can hang a trade on, but just like him all I see is a mixed bag and after what we have been through basing one's trades on anything but clear divergences is a perilous endeavor. Which in a way is ironic - I'm sure most bears feel this way right now and even though the Fed is starting to drain the swamp all the bears keep looking at each other and keep thinking 'Yeah, YOU first!' :-)

    In the meantime the bulltards are laughing all the way to the bank.

    Anyway, come back more often and bring an avatar so I can recognize your posts - really like your input - we seem to think in similar patterns.
  • "when it finally drops it'll happen extremely fast and violently as all the big players will exit rapidly, leaving only retail traders to hold the bag"

    If that is the case, I will hop in one the first day we drop 5%. That would be a sign to me. A drop of 1% (and usually less) hardly indicates that. Hell, I could even go as far as to jump in when we are down 3% on a single day. But let's be honest, we've seen nothing close.

    You know as well as I do that we will be able to hop on board. We might not be able to park the truck as cleanly as we like, but IMHO, I'd rather miss a couple of % worth of profits than an immeasurable amount of losses. And even with the $VIX at 30, THAT'S a steal compared to the mid-90s or likely higher that we will see.

    That is another reason to be on board with some directional equity options versus trying to play the markets as a whole. You know me, I'd rather outperform the market than match it.

    Skål!
  • berk, what mole means is that'll have an orderly down move to "normal retraces" and vix slowly rising.

    then when you expect things to climb back up... ooops a huge drop, you don't chase the tape because you wait for the next retrace... wich is weak as well and you missed your target for reentry.

    now you're on the "was this all of the correction?" moment, you're at the point where if it is not P3 but just a w2 of an up impulse. You wait and see and it jumps up and you lost your nerve...

    Just a scenario
  • I'd rather have the violent drop. And no, I will not miss my reentry target. I will be early, and reload at the top. That's the way I did it before, and how I plan to do it again.

    If we don't get the violent drop, we don't get the $VIX spike, which means my options don't perform as exceptionally as they can (or should). IMHO.

    Skål!
  • 3%?
    sounds good to me - let see what I can do this week
  • Just saying, 3% in one day would be a good start. If it is going to drop suddenly, it should start somewhere. Just like we should be able to see it on a 5 minute chart.

    At some point there should also be a steep rally when the big boys finally start to take profits. Perhaps another better bet than aiming for the top (which I so love to do).

    Skål!

  • Thank god i'm not in the USA, if obama does his reform and makes a loony's pannel we'd be all committed.

    Now seriously, we're fighting what? according with that censured video GS is doing 30X + leverage

    they got 300 bil

    30+X300=10 trillion

    And now, on the right cornner with the green trunks, weighting 10 trillion dollars, program trading with forewarning and droit de cuissage the current champion....GS!~

    and on the left corner, with some lifetime savings, a ruller, some counts and indicators from ratios to astrology and hamster's matting cycle... the Sainless Steel Rats.

    LOL

    If we go down, it's been an honour faling with you guys, Samson? what Samson? Davit (not you DT, the bible one) was a pussy!
  • charles_smith
    Thank you, I am honored, very sincerely. Here is a small photo of me hacking away at my 1976 Les Paul Deluxe.
    My gut feeling is this is the week we've been waiting for. I caught the July upturn but sold too soon and went short too soon and got burned bigtime. But I have to play intuition--it's practically the only edge we have IMO.
  • Buy puts after a retrace of a minor 5 wave down move, with a stop at the high is probably the best way to nail a possible top.


  • mole, why do you think I kept my short etf?

    I also see that when the drop comes it will be a bit like the "You are a virgin, weren't you" joke.
  • Hey Hamster-boy - as you know I have been doing the same for two months now and had to give up all profits I made on the way down each time around. One has to be cautious to not let this affair turn into a personal one, IYKWIM. This is not about 'being proven right' - this is about making money.
  • mole I've been doing it on 2 moments

    one during the all of april, the other from august/september onward (scalling in til 1070's, but too heavy entry) if this doesn't retrace below 980 they'll sell it as a ii of 3 and god help us all.

    my target is close to 65 on BPSPX by last week of november, whatever value the spy I sell and take the rebound on longs. And this time I don't care if i lose some, I'll ignore the target for w1 up, they don't do wave 2 retraces anymore. But tight stops on longs, this shit is breacking one day so hard...

    p.s. almost 40 here, wish I was an hamster boy ;-)
  • Looking again at GS, can only agree with your sentiments Berk - counts easily as in (iv)/v/C - topping range you have identified looks spot on. My count - http://screencast.com/t/RiysSpCiMiW

    So.... everyone jumping on the BIDU train tomorrow? Daneric has a great count here that suggests the disco car will be fully operational - http://danericselliottwaves.blogspot.com/2009/10/baidu-update.html
  • jaxon
    the attached chart is a thing of beauty. please know that i drew the fib retracements from the 1st month down high, 11/07, to the low of March 08. it is a perfect example of squaring of time and price. regardless of what happens from here i thought it worth doing a "freeze frame" of an almost perfect market moment.


    http://www.screencast.com/t/kwCsoINbUiIz
  • orth
    Like the chart, love the potentail short implications. Thanks
  • spicestory
    berkster, yes it's longer than the cyanne pepper in south america, it's a red hot chilli in southeast asian, you may feel like it ruins your taste buds when bite but the chilli bring out ton of salivary in the mouth - lubricates food and breakdown carbo - and makes the whole meal taste yummier. The hot spicy effect from chilli will be long lasting and lingering ... on and on and on ... like wave 2 and 4 in your mouth
  • moneyfarm
  • moneyfarm
  • moneyfarm
  • moneyfarm
    Wow Berk. Thank you - this is a lot of good information. I've recently started following some of the same indicators, but without the MA's so it's nice to see a different interpretation. I agree, the $SPXA200R is ridiculous and beyond nose bleed levels. The $SPXA50R did make a convincing break below 75, which indicates at least some short term weakness.
    http://screencast.com/t/tALFnu3oQJ
  • BigHouse(Aka Mr Vix)
    Hello Folks:

    http://www.expertwitnessradio.org/

    I met Mike Levine over 10 years ago. He was a top DEA agent who was on 60 Min a long time ago. If you think Big Ben and Tiny Tim are a bunch of bull shitters well check out his story. He tells how corrupt our Gov is (CIA). This guy is the real deal. The stories he told me about his work makes me wonder why he is still alive. Just a little Saturday drama... :)
  • Trader_Steve
    Years ago I spoke to him a few times by e-mail as he knew my father in-law who was a 1st Grade Detective on the NYPD for 37 years. He said he was a good guy and he wouldn't have said that if he didn't think so. Levine's son was a NYC cop and killed in the line of duty if I recall correctly. Now what he might be doing for ratings is anoher thing. Radio is really hard and I know two people on-air and they can, at timees, stretch the facts to draw in the audience.

    Yeah...stand-up guy from the shows I had listened to.

    Steve
  • rhae
    Good stuff Berk... this one is pretty simple...
    VTI daily... Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF... many traders cut their teeth on this one. I like it because it is very broad range.
    When I was doing my fibonacci analysis. Using retrace, fans, fib ext, etc. from several anchor combinations. I found a complete lack of fibonacci r/s level swing points. That just ain't normal.
    Which suggests to me, that the whole run-up from March, just ain't normal. If you EW trackers are doing well tracking this thing... congratulations...

    http://screencast.com/t/S9E8tsec
  • what kills us is the lack of retracements... I have a theory on that one, didn't post it because I wanted people paying a bit of attention an berk did his ultrapost in the mean time.

    try looking at beggining of this thread and see the chart I left for berk
  • T.K.: 1938!
    Fuji: 1975!

    Pick your poison - I for one stick with what IS - not with what WAS. Fractals do occur but they never conclude identically. History does not repeat itself it rhymes.
  • 1975 here, since day one (even before EWT), might want to consider my SC4 vs w4 with current SC doing a 1,6 extension of 68-81... yes, there are charts in this thread, though reposts from 22.09.2009

    best regard
  • that is true - pretty much what I am trying to do
    either trade short term cashing on violent swings
    or
    open/close long term puts with almost no intrinsic value and little theta to burn (which still caused losses, but positions were small - and losses could have been smaller ...IF I remembered what/where I have - all I recall is that I have ADD)
  • Today is not 1975. Any comparisons ignore the huge difference in that was an inflationary period whereas what we have today will be in the fullness of time the biggest deflation ever experienced.

    They cannot inflate their way out of it for the simple reason that this card was already played post 2000.

    The real Dow backs this assertion - Dow/Gold, Dow/Oil, Dow/frickin baked beans - peaked in 2000. Check your history - never yet been a case where nominal values did not eventually catch up. Wouldn't bet the farm on this being the first.
  • "Today is not 1975."

    Exactly.
  • ah! 1975 to 1981 was nominal climb and just a 4th and 5th wave in nominal terms
  • Bobby P (with apologies to David for dragging his favourite TA into it ;-)) has 66-79/82 (depending on your preference) as a huge sideways 4th wave triangle. He has a chart of the inflation-adjusted Dow that shows the decline that was masked during this period by the huge inflation at the time.

  • to give Bob P. a credit - his "Sep 23rd" top call - if looked at objectevelly still is not off the table
    1. SPX still in his 1000-1100 February prognosis
    2. IF my "short example portfolio"
    http://trading-to-win.com/ExamplePort.aspx
    was created on Sep23rd (as oppose Sep14th closing prices)
    that portfolio would have shown profit as oppose to -1.5% loss - but then again - market has done nothing for quite a while in spite all manufactured glory
  • He has clearly been getting a bit of correspondence about that - tone of this month's EWT was a little defensive in parts - but as he points out the market has only risen 5% odd since then, so you wouldn't exactly be getting slaughtered if you went short /ES then as he recommended. He was well early (July, if I recall correctly) in 2007 as well, but again to be fair he readily concedes this.

    And obviously the big stick that everyone beats him with is his bearish stance all through the 90s. Well, just goes to show that you should always do your own research...
  • 68-81 was one f$"%"ng wave 4 in real terms, but I think this is a SCwave4, one higher degree and lasting 1.6X the lenght of w468-81

    2017 is bottom for me, and we're talking 0,12 to 0,06 ounces of gold for S&P

    find my chart on 2000 to 68 X1.6 comparison

    best regards
  • You got a link for that? Just went to your blog and it is empty...
  • never created the blog, the day i happen to find a solid ground for my views I might, so far it's too noodly
    and uncertain

    I'll repost something from september 22 (though I had talked previously on that)

    This market is way beyond extended, in real values (over gold) nasdaq was 5 points away of violating wave 2.

    As people prefer images, take a look at s&p, gold & s&p over gold.

    Then see a 1,6 time ratio comparison with 1968 onwards.

    http://www.largeimagehost.com/gallerys/untilted/eFhrcX.html

    And then (as now there are graphics) a repost

    A small reflextion.

    People like davidDT and others, please check what I present.

    Many of us have projected waves that ended close to 150

    That is not going to happen. Someone else saw that too and is doing one hell of a job (but leaving fingerprintas all over the place)

    BUT
    1. they'll give as a double bottom (or at least 800), I think that the form and timming (ellections, wink wink, at 1300 and rising on apparent impulse 5 to 5) is more important than a small setback in march 2010(give or take a month)

    2. Finnaly, circa 2017, s&p will be worth less than 0,2 ounces of gold (that much they can't avoid, but people believe the inflation they are told, just find it hard to understand why money keeps ending earlier). I would see a pullback to near 700 before climbing to 2000, retring to 1500 and jumping to 5000. 3. nominaly we'll be doing a bottom, a 1600, and another bottom before entering supercycle 5 to new highs (maybe 5.000-10.000 ounces) in 30 years and then KABOOM

    THESIS

    1- 1929 was 1 of 3, th e 68-81 crash was wave 4 of 3, from 2000 onwards it's wave 4 of a bigger magnitude

    2- Wave 4 (secular) follows w4 of wave 3

    3- the time ratio is pure fibonnaci 1.6, 49 current days is a month of the 68-81 period

    4- Nominal values from 68-81 can be made real dividing by 8,3 (real inflation, gold price 290/35)

    5- The residual (nominal 1968 onwards/8,3 with 49 days to current mont - nominal s&p) leaves the image of a deflating bubble, BUT with some heavy pushing and probing, distorting the waves further

    6- If you use s&p over month's gold you will see further into the residues and why they can't stop an s&p bellow 0,2 ounces of gold. They can only push it so far (and they do to stop anyone with less than 6 month patience from earnbing any)

    7- Given 6 it Obama might pull a FDR and fix the gold issue (UE will also be happy to oblige) If you go for gold you might consider bullion outside USA or UE

    8- stagflation here we come (don't worry, salaries won't budge)

    9- The second oil crash will be to blame for the 2014-2015 crash

    10- Dave, I think the black choppers will be comming soon...

    Best regards from a dead rusty hamster

  • I am kind of slower than usual due to damn cold
    here
    agree with 6,7,8 (and likely with 5)

    have correction for 9 and 10
    9 - it might be sooner and not the kind of "crash" we'll be happy with
    10 - since I thought that I saw them - they already here
    1-5 - need to push my mental abilities to extreme levels - which I am usually simple not capable of doing...especially when sick. (I am more of a "visual" person - really would love to see some graphical represantation
    and even more when sick and tired
  • thanks dave

    As for 5 (maybe) through 8 your opinion makes me feel safer.

    For 9 (oil crash earlyer)bear with me... In steve's EW heresy you mentioned that qqqq was o 5 and spy on a C, but in real spy waht steve had as a "crazy B" looks either as a zig-zag with a first wave up with a low below the begining of 1 - ewt heresy - OR a triangle (wave 4, waves 2 don't triangle). For me spy is also possibly on wave 5, either the ABC started in november OR blue pill in the making for C

    as for 1 to 5 I'll try and give a visual, but the timeframes involved render most sources useless, used some dow, some other charts, etc... I'll see what I can get

    And thanks
  • If the history as we know it (history can be manipulated and misinterpreted as easily if not easier than anything else) is correct and 1975 vs 2009 cannot be compared,
    then - based on your understanding of history - would you say that 2007/2009 can be more appropriately compared with 1937?
    The reason for my question is that the ONLY time when WEEKLY TD D-wave sequence down completed (throughout the entire DJIA history) was in 1937
    http://trading-to-win.com/images/2009-08-23_1323.png and it looks awfully similar to current wave in progress
  • Again, I would raise the same objection. The only period that compares in the 20th century is the deflationary depression period 1929 onwards. And that was an order of magnitude smaller to what we face now.

    Also, W4 on your chart is clearly a motive five waves (I know you don't do EW but...), whereas what we have from March is a monster bear market rally - clearly not 5 waves, no channel, bearish wedge, crap volume etc.
  • unfortunately I only have access to DJIA past 1933,
    need to figure out the way to get entire history into ninjatrader
    thank you for explanation

    P.S. Agree on "not 5 waves" - SPX daily is completing w3 only...but NDX due to bottoming back in the Fall of 2008 is completing w5.
    Therefore in my mind w3 daily on SPX has less weight than coinciding wC on prior wave sequence down.
    Anyhow - I thin we might be more bearish as before right now if for nothing else, but at least for correction of 60-70% of w3 (if it is w3 on daily SPX) which would give us about 10-15% at the fast pace
  • yeps, that's one of the scenarios I'm afraid of, 68-81 without time extension, we'd be in 76 (and real panic if 75)
    nominaly a bull run start but basicaly usd devaluation to the extreme

    light blue?

    http://www.imageuploadnow.com/images/1256424775.jpg
  • see reply above to ultrabär
  • well, trying to go for a non stop rise just now would be catastrophic zimbabwe style.

    and remember that even 1938 was a partialy inflated solution. Gold was nationalized and people were robbed of its true value (otherwise the 5th leg would have been nominaly lower)

    it's a strange time

    did you have the time to see my old post with 68-81 with 1.6 time extension? you never answered about that one
  • I am definitely on your "blue" side for now, at least for correction leg down...and most likely for following new highs as well - which I would love to see in order not only to complete monthly B (which might be up in Nov), but for TD Setup Sell Monthly to complete - and that would be somewhere in January.

    P.S. I hope that is the chart u r ref to?
    http://www.imageuploadnow.com/images/1256424775.jpg
  • nopes, that's my latest noodle soup, it's an old one, i'll be linking it to ultrabear as well
  • my little pinky says low november end, february 1195 (misses 1200)

    I'll bail out of short in november on two conditions:

    BPSPX<65%
    count as ended wave 3 or wave 5 down near end of november
  • Trader_Steve
    I posted how this could be 1-2-i-ii and to out do me, berk posted until his keyboard broke. I think he tried to find an EW rule error in this chart and couldn't come up with one...LOL

    http://www.screencast.com/users/mkt_ronin/folders/Jing/media/ccdc27d6-1e52-41db-9292-e804354a8953

    Steve
  • Not quite. While I have not actually looked at the short term wave count (minus yours, which as noted previously, I count's argue with). On the weekends, I like to take a step back and see what has REALLY transpired. In my mind, not much indication here that I am not going to get whipped.

    Skål!
  • Trader_Steve
    >>On the weekends, I like to take a step back and see what has REALLY transpired.<<

    Oh...you mean you hang out with Ricahrd Gere and the Dali Llama....LOL

    Steve
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