Counting Wiggles

The bulltards are trying to hold the 1060 mark and, bearish as I am, I can’t help but think that they might succeed short term at least – not liking that big divergence on the Zero Lite right now. Okay, I was completely swamped last night and thus unable to post an updated wave count – we can’t have that!

So, the tape of the past few days offers us two main scenarios right now:

  • Soylent Orange – which is what the bears seem to be salivating over and the bulltards appear to sell into based on the recent distribution patterns. We are inside a Minuette (iii) of Minute {i} of Minor 1 of Intermediate 1 of Primary {3} of Cycle wave c. Which means we should not meander around here for long and proceed towards the 1045 mark for a little bounce, more drop, and then the expected pull back into Minute {ii}, a.k.a. as the last good chance for us bears to back up the truck.
  • Soylent Blue – the bulltards’ favorite. We faked out the bears once more by touching an important trend line via Minute {b}, which constitutes today’s low at 1060.78. We are now pushing up to complete Minute {c} of Minor C of Intermediate (Y) of Primary {2} of Cycle wave c.

Yes, this is probably the toughest time to pick a direction – we have NO confirmation yet. The good news is that we shall know fairly soon. If 1091.75 is breached the odds swing back towards the blue scenario – until that happens we currently expect the downtrend to continue. However, if we start seeing strong candles to the upside in combination with increasing breadth and a strongly positive NYSE A/D ratio then that might be a precursor to more upside. Let’s also keep watching the Zero for participation and to gauge the strength of whatever wiggles we might get for important hints as to which way we might swing. For instance, what I do NOT want to see are bullish divergences as the one I warned my Zero subs last night. So stay on guard, my stainless steel rats – the party for the bulltards might not be over just yet. If we complete a perfect 5 here and we then bounce the odds for the beginning of bull hunting season would increase tremendously.

11:20am EDT: Interestingly we are seeing equities trying to make a run for it whilst the Dollar is running stops for breakfast:

2sweeties over at retracementlevels yesterday wrote me pointing out that the odds should not be confused with frequency, and that such inaccuracies will not be tolerated, especially coming from a Kraut:

Of course he is right – although the odds are loosely related to frequency they are not intrinsically the same. So, I should have said that the ‘frequency’ of reversals falls off after 76.35 – I stand corrected (as so often).

Either way – we are obviously close to that mark and it’s possible we’ll see a little zigzag to the downside, which incidentally might be exploited by our intrepid equity bulltards.

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  • now... unless we see some rocket GS wave action verticalwise prety soon... we're going down
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  • anotherone
    Have a nice double bottom printing on the SPY hourly chart. Invalidated if we hit a new LOD.
  • skynard
    Please give me a blow-off top! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE! It would be the icing on the cake.
  • gannsecret
    I thinks thats coming next year
  • T_dub
    Wow, GS, blow-off top next year ? So you don't buy into the whole P3 theory ? Interesting.

    Personally, I don't know beyond Nov 17th, except that Jan 11th is a very important turn date.. no idea if that would be a high or a low. Nov 17th looks more and more like a low.
  • gannsecret
    Dub,
    No I don't buy P3,  think we have just finished the a wave of a bigger ABC..
    B down to the 17-19th  C some time next year
  • gannsecret
    Only have to minipulate 30 stocks to keep the Dow Up.
    Which is why it is important to follow The SPX
  • Eva S
    -1 pt on the SPX is not a huge drop. The dollar doesn't look so hot either....
  • gregn
    I was under the impression that indices are manipulated via futures for the most part.
  • for the most part yes, but some intraday proding has been discribed by yours truly
  • PRSGuitars
    That's the way it used to be done, at least, with the major market index futures (MMI)
  • gannsecret
    only in as much that you can influence a premium
    or discount to cash to force the program trading groups
  • shortcover
    wrote some calls against SRS...50% cash 50% x2 and x3 short etfs. let the games begin...
  • skynard
    Have not seen the indices so divided like they are today for some time. Maybe a good indicator. Huh, what do you think?
  • since nasdaq 2140's... read older posts from a desperate hamster
  • gannsecret
    For the country ES trading crowd...........
    what the next 3 weeks
    has in store for Bulls

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc8Cl3oyyFo
  • BigHouse(Aka Mr Vix)
    RIMM now at 63.45 lol..Next stop in the 50's
  • de3600
    Hell of a gap to fill
  • PRSGuitars
    WARNING #3 for the day:

    approaching the same SPX gap top that stopped us this morning, and we're on the TL of the downside movement so far this push (from 1099)... beware the bounce!
  • countwise I would say we're in some kind of flat 4, so unless there is a GS wave, no bounce
  • PRSGuitars
    truncated fifth? currencies lining up too -- mb there is something about NQ out/under performance lately that suggests it is ahead/behind the real count? could that have something to do with it (ie, its missing a fifth so, ahem, truncated!)
  • BigHouse(Aka Mr Vix)
    Take this market to hell.
  • bears know the way, hamsters too
  • gregn
    Is your teddy alone in bed?
  • BigHouse(Aka Mr Vix)
    He said he will not get out of bed until the low 1,000's on spx
  • Wow... Your teddy knows what's up!!

    Skål!
  • gregn
    He is not easily pleased it seems.
  • not a bed errr ... not a bad idea

    but where do you draw the line?
  • dollar
    nice little drop in GS
  • Tronacate
    This consumer confidence decline may just provide the umpah to truncate and go to P3
  • dollar
    sweet, xlf new low
  • Tronacate
    amen
  • everybody talks about "gap fills" fot numbers tens and hundreds of points above

    may I hear a call for gap fill on 1028, or at least 1041 how about 1057 which is close at hand?
  • gregn
    There is a gap around SPX 1500 that needs to be filled before we go down ;)
  • ROTFLOL
  • gannsecret
    Hams,
    If we break the S&P uptrendline today you may see 998
    tout suite (If)
  • hope so, its close to one of my targets
  • I would really like to see you all walk away with fat stacks of cash from this dip, yes because that's what it is. If you don't take profits here I don't want to hear bitching about taking a bull's horn up your ass on Thursday. If we had broken below the March trendline that would be another thing but I really do want to see everyone here come out on top.
  • Eva S
    LOL ! Thanks for the laugh! I happen to agree with you.
  • Thank you, just in case I'm dead wrong Dec XLF puts are a cheap and easy way to hedge ;o)
  • Tronacate
    Dtg down 16% today
  • Tronacate
    DTG keeps tankimg.......thanks berk....
  • amokta
    is the big tsunami wave starting?
    my dec10 spx 700 puts seem to have gone up $1 ?
  • Trader_Steve
    I think I have where we are:

    We are either going to do C up in a flat, or this pullbaack, as far as it was, is a 2. Either way, a new low will befuddle me. I expect that, but the hharts say not yet.

    http://www.screencast.com/users/mkt_ronin/folde...

    Comments welcomed

    Steve
  • Trader_Steve
    In taking ther time to make that chart I didn't realize how low it got. Labeling wwith Fidelity's program is tedious.

    The wave 2 is out. If this holds it is wave B of a flat. If not, then the first count I saw developing had the teal colored "b" as a "c" off an ED and it's a bitch that it started down slow. I hate when that happens!

    Steve
  • we're in a 4 on 5 down on nasdaq so a LOD is comming
  • Trader_Steve
    And no on seems to have appreciated our Elliott wisdom ....oh...that's right...that guy last night told us this didn't work. I fforgot (g)

    Steve
  • maybe someone did
  • gannsecret
    1058 is a current gann square S/R line still in effect.
    1052 is next and if we get through that about 1000
  • centerline
    Out of short term SPY 108 puts a few minutes ago when we failed to cross 1061 pivot. Missed the exit by 2, but close enough. Maybe head fake here. Will reload below 1061 rather than get run over today.
  • Eva S
    I'm hoping we are going higher the next 2 weeks, to 1120-1130.
  • roscoe_casita
    Hope and trading...
  • anotherone
    Bulls are hanging on for the moment. The SPY touched the bottom of the descending channel Mole drew yesterday.
  • skynard
    Any targets on SPX here?
  • roscoe_casita
    1045 based on the H&S today.
  • gmak
    On a daily basis, I have SPX=1050 as first level of support.

    On an intra-day basis, I have support below at 1057 - 1057.5

    overhead, max is 1068

    These are from a 5 min chart
  • /nq - we might close below 1723 (ranges/tol)
  • tradejane
    >Any targets on SPX here?

    First target: 1080
  • PRSGuitars
    1071 then 1075, if it makes it to 1078+ look for 1085 and beyond that...well...
  • skynard
    Thanks! Wasn't sure if the bulls were going to hold this up.
  • PRSGuitars
    double bottom
    retest of CRUCIAL trendline on Qs and SPX
    DJT broke down too fast too early (but might hold critical line too)
    also outside of vwap 2.0 std dev. bands (/es) so we were waiting to spring back anyways

    but, monthly VWAP beginning to give on index etfs (bad news for bulls, though)
  • gregn
    Dollar got through that important reversal resistance level of 76.35 that mole mentioned.
  • Berkster - is my "I'll do my best" good enough?
  • Guest
    I would be pretty wary on the short side here. My vol models are showing good chance of a reversal in the VIX and there is some divergence on the hourly charts. Nothing too serious but with a POMO day on Thursday and a pretty big move so far, risk of a squeeze quite high.
  • gmak
    2 year auction was a roaring success (seems the participants would rather have 1,02% for 2 years than only get bps for 3 - 6 months). The bid to cover was 3.65 vs an average of 2.77 over the last 10 sales.


    The current 2 year note fell 6 bps. The attracticion is the steepness of the front end of the curve, and the dawning realization that maybe the economy isn't in such great shakes (less upward pressure on rates).

    Just wait for the 5 and 7 yr auctions. Tomorrow they try to sell $41 bb of 5 year, and Thurs is $31 bb of 7 year notes.
  • fa_q
    I covered my last 50 at 1058.50. Same spot as the other 50. Just in case this is a double bottom. I do believe there is more juice in this move but I'm going to let my NQ run because they have some catching up to do. So my ES trade is as follows:

    50 short 1075.50 - 1062.50
    100 short 1075.50 - 1058.50

    Still have NQ from 1729.50
  • PRSGuitars
    *standing ovation*
  • gsavli
    I like it, that you are posting here.
  • PRSGuitars
    Negative individual pushes on EUR, so, ready for the bounce?

    Jeez that was a sticksave by the boys on the indices -- low retest?
  • gannsecret
    I like it when the only thing up is the VIX
  • that is what 70 years old man said
  • Iguanadon
    My wife would beg to differ. Oh wait, you're talking about the markets... never mind.
  • gannsecret
    Its nice to have a spousal
    unit who thinks that way
  • What size box are you using to follow the $SPX daily right now?

    Thanks.

    Skål!
  • gannsecret
    I have a gann square based on a previous
    time and price. The squares change based on market
    movements and are not fixed.
  • ACJ
    thatswhatImtalkingabout
  • AS2009
    David - we reached 22.65 - 22.66 on UUP :) - what is your retrace tgt on this ?
  • do not have retrace target, but whatever it might be - I would stay away - it is wB may be starting and B is a royal pain in the neck to trade
    http://screencast.com/t/fk2MvKNdhdkM
    (hey - see what you did to me - I am here to answer your questions!)
  • AS2009
    David love your responses ... the reason is I am long oil ... trying to determine where to get out ... your input would help greatly :)
  • /NQ 1715 target - check :)
  • dollar
    transports dumping, again
  • PRSGuitars
    DJT breaking swing low TL... that is bad for the market's health for sure...
  • gannsecret
    Dollar,
    Trannies breaking the uptrend line from mar now
  • gregn
    Mr. Vix is going to have to leave his teddy alone in bed.
  • bears and girls

    2 hours ago I said WATCH NASDAQ

    20 minutes ago it printed a lower low, s&p is about to do the same in 10 minutes.. Got the picture?
  • tradejane
    Thank you SSH,

    your reminder about the NASDAQ was a big help.

    Hope I can return the favor here: the German banks have stopped dumping and have stabilized quite a bit after hours. Whatever that means.

    GL
  • banks seemed to be in a iii down, BTW nasdaq is now at channel bottom, expect some bounce
  • gregn
    GS insider...
  • try doing a left chart as mole did with euro and s&p, but use nasdaq and s&p (BTW I didn't, just eyeballing the thing in real time)
  • gregn
    What time frame? And I'm assuming you're using SPX/NDX, correct?
  • I just look at one and the other on google finance (minutes) much easier to count nasdaq and less ability to manipulate.

    BTW LOD still ahead of us
  • IYR touching the 50 right now.
  • gannsecret
    Nasdick leading the way down,
    only has a few more pts to break the uptrend
    line from march. I repeat
    ATTENTION bulls, Take all sharp instruments from your
    pockets, stick your head between your legs and
    kiss your ass goodbye
  • and what did I say 2 hours ago?

    glad someone was listening
  • gannsecret
    What did I say 4 days ago ?
  • what did I say a couple of weeks ago? (LOL ok, ok, but nasdaq has been the one to watch lately)
  • Nah, I've hedged with XLF Puts, we're all good here.
  • Tronacate
    HELLLLLLOOOOOOOOOHHH!
  • Bart7
    Any McHugh updates today?
  • PRSGuitars
    easy long /es here if anyone is gutsy (just missed my fill)
  • PRSGuitars
    lol @ my comment and its timing, cant win 'em all
  • you weren't following nasdaq
  • CandleStickEmUpper
    PRS, did you mean for a scalp trade only?
  • PRSGuitars
    Qs testing THE channel from the rally -- all hands on deck, RATS, battlestations!!

    I think there's a pop but believe me, if there isn't, this is going to be very bloody. I think the combo SPX and Q MAJOR channel or wedge TL support will be enough.

    Also at monthly VWAP on Qs, for your info.

    http://screencast.com/t/NOEcjJ7UpLiE
  • Tronacate
    Anybody alive here?
  • newbear
    Just sitting tight in GS, AMZN and BAC puts.
  • centerline
    Same here. Still seriously short. Butt checks clenched. Finger on trigger.
  • newbear
    Is there any other way to trade this market "Butt checks clenched..."
  • CandleStickEmUpper
    yes, while taking a table shower
  • centerline
    Not lately. Like Berk said, catching rockets with your ass is not a good thing!
  • I think the phrase was stoping (upward moving) rockets with the aforementioned body part

    Catching (downward moving) rockets will be a new bull pastime (hope they find it as pleasing as I did the former)
  • TheCrowe
    Butt Checks? Ummm...I'm only accepting cash payments from you in the future... :)
  • PRSGuitars
    IMO the real reason this might completely fall apart on all of us (ie, equities to the downside, ie, 975 in rather rapid fashion) is if the DX squeeze gets going.

    http://screencast.com/t/GHxgKiH6GFl

    Take a look at that chart, busting its long channel, and tell me that doesnt remind you of EUR/USD when it began its famous rip-roaring rallies in mid-afternoons of summers recently ruined (hows that for poetry?).
  • CandleStickEmUpper
    technical and poetic at the same time, love it.

    I just added to my ES shorts here. Watching that EUR closely
  • Tronacate
    NIHD new lod
  • WOOT!!

    Skål!
  • gregn
    The breakdown in X is nothing short of delicious.
  • centerline
    I am playing short on BAC from a week or so ago. It is just slightly outside of my target exit point. How annoying.

    If we get a bounce in the overall market, this piggy could get a lift. Might have to lower my expectations here today!
  • vision_invisible
    Some are saying there will be a secondary on BAC to get them out of TARP. I would expect a bounce from that.
  • centerline
    Thanks for the warning. I think I am going to close the position today anyhow. Resistance at 15 has been pretty good - and on heavy volume.
  • AS2009
    Center what is your tgt for BAC - short some calls on this too
  • nugent
    EUR/USD is below a trendline dating back to March. USD/JPY testing 65dma, if it breaks out, this should be very bearish for equities.

    edit (charts):
    http://tinypic.com/r/pvbb8/4
    http://tinypic.com/r/2ry3fvk/4
  • Tronacate
    here we go
  • Im consedering EURUSD could have finished a ABC from 1.5062 to 1.4780.

    C= 0.6xA arround 1.4790, this could mean that this was only a correction and we`re in for new highs. Just something to keep in mind cause matches with soylent blue.
  • Tronacate
    TFZ adx below 8.......big move coming up
  • NorbertTO
    is the zero working today? or is it that sleepy out there?
  • NorbertTO
    I see it's working, sry
  • gregn
    Does anyone here know a of a way to make ToS use the Bid price for options for your P/L rather than the Last price?
  • centerline
    Good day to all. Very busy this week. Not much time for anything.

    Would like to see a new LOD here in the next hour. If not, probably will take some SPY puts off the table, bank some profit, and reload when direction becomes more clear. Keeping some in the game though just in case... just smaller position. We really need to get through this multi-month trend-line with some reasonable force. Else, the main trend is likely still alive and kicking.

    On another note, does anyone know what the lag time is for the Fed to release updated M1 multiplier data? The next data point should be for 10/21/09. Here we are at 10/27 and no update yet.

  • PRSGuitars
    Uber-brief $SPX chart showing why today might've been the stopping point for a bit: http://screencast.com/t/9GiVxuR1rU

    simply put, MAJOR channel + MAJOR trendline = reversal, or stoppage, I think


    ALSO! update $DJT is nearing its swing low trend line... if this falls further then the leading indicator of sorts shows more to go to downside... eek... we'll see. Watch the next 20 points in the transports like a hawk!
  • Tronacate
    NIHD short working well.....thnks BERK
  • Cypherd
    sold a Nov. DRN 105 put for $7.30 earlier to hedge my rather large vertical put spread position in IYR. Long Nov 45s short 43s on IYR.
  • chumprop
    If I'm looking for a long term options play (3 - 12+ months) does it seem better to get SPY Mar '10 80 puts or SPY Dec '10 120 puts?

    I was leaning toward the Dec '10 120s because there will no time decay... I think we are going down, but I think it could be long and drawn out. I have never bought options before, so I know very little. I do believe we are going down to at least 700 S&P and as low as 400, but I think this could take 3 - 24 months to happen.

    Thanks for the help!
  • kryxtal
    With a time horizon of 3-12 months, you don't need to worry time decay (it only really starts getting exponential about 3-4 weeks before the option expires). Also, Mar 80 is pretty far out of the money, and Dec '10 120 is really deep in the money. Are you sure you don't mean something like Mar 120 puts and Dec '10 80 puts?
  • Cypherd
    I set up a vertical put spread with that idea in mind, I purchased March '10 $30 puts on SSO and sold the 20s for a net debit of $1.54, so max profit is $8.46 or 549% if SSO is below $20 come expiration. Break even being $28.46, which I'm very comfortable with from now til March.
  • CorporalCarrot
    I don't know anything about patterns or EWT but I still think the ass is just going to fall out of this market at some point this week, probably after the GDP release and its going to leave bulls aghast and bears wondering why they weren't committed when they knew all along it was going to happen.
  • mmTesla
    I think Goldman and JPM make more money if they gradually grind down the market and load up on retracements and whipsaw people out near the tops of swing highs and lows. Rather than a fall to the abyss. imo
  • CorporalCarrot
    You are possibly right, and I've no doubt at the climax of rallies, they would love nothing more than a month of churn to get positioned for the next wave down. At some point however, and noone knows when that will be, they will just let it go, and then watch out below.
  • mmTesla
    Will be nice if we continue to get solid signals of down trending, would be nice to load up trend trading again and just manage and hedge open positions :-)
  • PRSGuitars
    *other reasons for possible short term bottom*

    major reversal doji candle on hourly futures/indices

    /es (at least) holding its monthly vwap so, if any dip buyers are here (and im sure they are), this is where they feel safe buying

    divergent RSI readings on each push lower on EUR and index futures (though i would say these can last, and Kemal's EUR target of 1.475 area before a bounce looks most legitimate, though, with DX out of its main channel who knows... might just continue to light up the EUR for 200 pips a day, now wouldnt that be something...)
  • chumprop
    I see an Inverse H&S w/ neckline around 1069 on /ESZ9.... on the 1 min over the past 2 days...

    Target = ~1081 - 1083 which would put us at the top of the descending channel over the past 8 days.
  • PRSGuitars
    Yup, tossed that out there earlier this morning (but we have to not roll under vwap and 1064 for that to really work out)... I personally think we bounce to fulfill that as a pattern (tgt 1075ish spx)
  • chumprop
    We also have a H&S on the 1-min from 10:26am - now with a failed head test... So it seems like it can go either way... I'm staying out for now as we're basically right at VWAP and we're so close to the 1pm breakout/breakdown time...

    Neckline for this one is at 1063.5 with a target to retest the bottom at 1057. I plan to get in long at 1057.5 with a stop at 1056.5 for a quick scalp if we hit this area. Looking for maybe 2-3 point bounce if we hit it...
  • mmTesla
    what time frame?
  • chumprop
    1 min... fixed it for you... You can also see on the 5 and probably 10 min...
  • mmTesla
    Interesting
  • KidDisco
    I hate zero flatlines...
  • Merlynn
    Anybody else smell another Bear trap or am I just twitchy from getting bloodied?
  • PRSGuitars
    Selling climax appeared at 10, i think (it was fast, brutally heavy, reversed totally and on volume)

    DX entering its area of reversal so, EUR likely grind up so, equities likely higher

    SPX hit a critical lower TL on both monthly timeframe (lower TL of rally's life; also, lower downsloping TL of last few days, showing we cant accelerate the selloff so, a reversal like this ought to at least provide a foothold for a day for the bulls and prompt some short covering) so if we dropped much more from 1057, it was ALL over... hence likely temporary bottom at least.

    Just remember, though, that when we all concur that the bottom arrived for this leg, it will be when the floor really falls out. There will be a time or two where there is no bounce so let's not commit to SHIT just yet, let them bring it to us.
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