Pre-Market Warm Up – by gmak

Mole’s post was pretty good in terms of setting up where we are and scenarios going forward. I’m not really a scenario person since there are so many factors. My philosophy is that the Market drives the TA, not the other way around. My trading style is continously changing (hopefully improving) and  I find myself pulled more and more towards trends and contra-trends.

On a longer term basis, no one can deny that SPX is in an up trend. It is easier to swim with the current than against. A basic trading strategy would be to only take high reward /low risk situations on the long side, within that broader upward trend. Trend lines, FIBs, Pivots all provide areas for determining the validity of a trade. TSI, MACD, TD Pressure and so forth can provide an indication of when a trend is changing. Between the two, one can practice proper risk management.

The chart above is a little busy – but will help me to explain. Say that near the close yesterday I flipped a coin and it said “go long”.  To me the chart looks like bad news waiting to happen no matter what trade I put on (risk /reward doesn’t look good).  Stops, depending on one’s individual risk tolerance, could be put at the following locations:

  • Below Yesterday’s low (1094.88) – A cost of 12 points if the trade is wrong. This also assumes that today would be another up day without any retrace intra-day
  • Below the low of the prior day (bar number ‘1′  = 1086.81).  This would cost 20 points – but would be of the philosophy that SPX will continue up. Only setting a new local low would negate that view.
  • At the mid bollinger (1077.77) – well, you get the picture. Being wrong would cost about 30 points here.

What could I hope to make with this trade?

  • The first dotted trend line would permit a higher high in the daily SPX – but it is at 1117ish; SPX is looking tired and this is the dominant trend line in the short term. Profit =  11 points. Risking 12 points to make 11 points. I would have to be quite confident about the direction to do this.
  • What does the TA say? Same as yesterday. TD Pressure still points down. TD setup is in a BUY count – which means price is likely to go down.  Support areas are wide and “far away”, but so are resistance levels. SPX is in the middle.

To me, SPX is floating in the middle of a series of support and resistance levels with the bias down. Volumes are low on up days and high on down days. This sure looks like DISTRIBUTION (thanks, Mole for clearly demonstrating that in your post). The bias is down (short term) IMHO, but the cost of being wrong is too high, if one were to use resistance levels provided by trends and TA.

I wouldn’t take a position here, although there may be some room for intra-day swing trades (see the ES chart below).

Equity

Asia was red by over 1%. China fell 3.5%.  Europe is mixed but flat, with the DAX having just turned up postive.

It opened well in the red, but something after 5 AM EST really lit a fire under it. MoM industrial new orders were up 1.5% vs expectations of 0.7% and prior of 0.6%. As well, German business confidence was up yet again.  But notice how DAX has run into selling at the 5805 – 5910 level and is retesting.

Unlike yesterday, the DAX is mixed - as one would expect if it were more or less flat.

Given the stats, one should not be surprised to see rotation back into Basic materials and industrials, and away from services financials and utilties.

The ES seems to be putting in the cup and handle pattern – but like the DAX, is putting in a double top at the present time.  Notice how it ran up at the same time as the DAX – 5AM EST. If you want to trade overnight, watch the european news. You can find it here in FX-related items.

http://www.forexfactory.com/

 

ES pivots:

  • R2: 1124 = a new high and blow out for SPX if it were to happen
  • R1: 1114 = Also a new high
  • Neutral: 1101.50 = acted as support overnight. Got broken but then the European and German news but a bid under the ES and pushed it up to today’s HOD (so far).
  • S1: 1091.50 =  This has been a support level for a good number of hours in the AH, over several days. NO reason to think that this would not continue.
  • S2: 1079 = Yeah, right.

FX

USD has turned weaker as I type. CAD, GBP are weaker. JPY and EUR are stronger. Risk aversion but attractive economic growth in Europe are probably the underlying reason. DXY began falling at 2:30 AM EST and only has one green 30 min candle since then. 74.95 is the level to watch in the short term, as going below this would put in a lower low. TD Pressure says we’re due for a bit of a retrace up – but MACD says DXY is still seeing downward pressure.

Pivots orf note:

  • R2: 75.835 = a route for SPX
  • R1: 75.46 = Turned back the rising tide this morning.
  • Neutral: 75.209 = was  support (about 1.5 – 2 hours) on the way down
  • S1: 74.828 = Bad juju if we get here. There is a qualified TD support level at 75.085 that is working some magic – but the yellow and red picket fences are both double density and say that 74.982 is a plausible target before price exhaustion and buying comes in.
  • S2: 74.571 = Have yourself a sad, sad Xmas.

The EUR has been range bound (like the DXY), but in a very wide range between 1.4828 and 1.50 since Nov 12. It looks like the news this AM put the bid under it and stopped the downward cycle. 1.50 is the key level to put in a recent new high. 1.4828 is quite a solid floor at the present time.

NEWS

  • The good European news already mentioned.
  • Some 2nd derivative green shoots related to housing
  • See here:

DATA

8:30 EST

  • GDP; Personal consumption

9:00 EST

  • CaseSHiller home data

10:00 EST

  • Consumer confidence
  • Richmond Fed mfg index

14:00 EST

  • FOMC minutes – be careful around this time. This is an excuse for stop running in BOTH directions

Here you go:

 

The bottom line is that it is easy to make a case for long or short – but the levels where you could tell if you were wrong or not are relatively far away and about equal to the reward. Today feels like a scalping day. Play the intra-day trend using pivots and FIB lines.

Cheers.

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  • standard_and_poor
    Slightly green this morning thanks to TZA, just sold off nflx and jbss.
    Currently 10% short in TZA - triple short etf (realistically 30% short).

    Good updates Gmak.
  • Somebody made a good point on cnbc several minutes ago - that if the chinese yuan is re-valued it will cause further pressure on the US$.

    This might be a decent part of what is going on and the dollar may already be pricing in the change. The chinese admitted last week they might notch the currency higher sometime around the end of the year, but not by very much.

    I'm not trying to guess what is going to happen, news-wise, but a sell-off in the $ on such news could be a very good entry to get long $/short euro, etc.
    imo
  • gmak
    The ECB will apparently be making their final decisions on an exit strategy at their December meeting. I don't have a date for this at the present time. Meanwhile there is an interesting article on the ECB's clean up operation at fr.com/alphaville.

    This "news" is important as it will drive perception of liquidity going forward - which will impact the EUR and the DXY - and may thereby impact on SPX.
  • Tronacate
    The reasonable are paying a heavy price for the irresponsible.......our system rewards the foolish
  • centerline
    As retailers come into the play - news will be used as bait. Don't want to walk into the same traps if we are truly near the top.
  • unloaded all chinese longs but one here (and looking to exit that today, tomorrow or friday, depending).

    Reduced a big TWM position, to accnt for the smaller position long.

    Bad news is this was day-3 of body blows for me.
    Good news is that I didn't give back so much and now I'm small enough I can think about some time off for the holiday week.

    I'm pretty sure I'll be getting short on Monday; sooner if we are selling on the Friday session. (which should not happen unless much worse is bursting out of the seams)

    Given Mole out of town, I'll be posting the day-shift. Some of it may be off-topic unless he stops me now (hiding the warning way down here...he wont read it and i'm good to go ;)
  • centerline
    Looking forward to whatever you decide to post.
  • Tronacate
    Normally the market recovers after employment bounces about 2% about the baseline........we are in uncharted territory here. A consumer based economy with 20% real un-employment and/or underemployment can not be sustained........
  • gmak
    Interesting and short piece between the Dow, Transpos, and Japan TX100. Makes the point with charts that they are now out of synch, and usually that divergence is closed when it happens. Dow is at new highs, but Transpos (I hate calling them Trannies) have a triple top with declining RSI, and the TX100 is correcting. For them to come back in synch - either Transpos will break through resistance, and the TX100 rally; or the Transpos will fail, and the Dow will correct.

    http://www.stocktiming.com/Tuesday-DailyMarketUpdate.htm
  • Schwerepunkt
    good article. Very clear and cogent article.
  • texpresso
    news is temporary, the LEI and earnings/guidance are the only things that matter
  • texpresso
    back in TZA at 12.00, CYD long at 15.00
  • bubble jeopardy
    It's all Bob's fault, he jinxed it. :)
  • bubble jeopardy
    Bobthehorse that is
  • CorporalCarrot
    Ok so we had.........

    GDP revised downwards, and now when CFC is excluded etc was actually negative in Q3
    State Street investor confidence down 7
    FDIC now bankrupt with minus $8bn in the insurance fund and problem banks increasing by 136 to 552 in the quarter
    Richmond Mfg survey back to flatline, probably due to ending of cfc etc

    PLus a whole host of other data for the last few weeks showing things getting worse rather than better.

    And the market refuses to die. The new normal indeed.
  • And the moral of the story is? Come on - you know what I'm about to say...
  • hmmm the oxymoronic nature of "news"?
  • CorporalCarrot
    er the news doesn't matter?
  • momac
    Unless it's good news. Remember the gdp numbers last month were better than expected and revised downward this month. But last month when the numbers hit, up shot the market. And this crap has been going on all year. Better than expected whatever numbers, the next month revised down or up (to the negative anyway) but does the market go back to where it was when the crap numbers were released the month before. Hell no, and I guess everyone thinks, oh well, what the hell, buy buy buy!!!1
  • depends on your trading time frame..if you are scalping day trading then yes news will affect , usually cos all the day traders are trying to "trade" it!! If you are longer term "news" is unimportant;someone somewhere will ALREADY have the" news"...mho
  • 1+

    you just graduated to the next level - congrats! ;-)
  • CorporalCarrot
    OK but considering the print for your new t-shirts. Don't people normally say that it only takes a single black swan to disprove a theorY?

    Lets say a 9/11 type event happens tomorrow and the following day the market falls 200 points. Surely that disproves theory that news does not matter?

    I totally agree and accept the point that you can often see the same event used to explain 2 completely different moves (eg "Market rises on suggestions rising oil prices point to increased demand" and "Market falls on fears that rising oil prices will stifle recovery"), simply because markets will fluctuate and the MSM has to find a reason for it.

    But surely in some cases, news does matter?
  • texpresso
    if news effects LEI/earnings, such as travel etc 9/11, then yes it effects markets, but some homeprice or consumer confidence? again, only if it will effect purchases thus earnings (and only if it is actually a surprise)
  • Schwerepunkt
    Mole: I hear this as a constant refrain on many blogs. But, it is clear to me the news does push the prices around at least temporarily. I'm not sure what a statement like the news "doesn't matter" really means.

    In practical terms, how do you factor in the news cycle to your trading tactics, if not strategy? Do you change your stops in any way going into a major news item? Do you look for an opportunity to long or short the spikes and downdrafts associated with news? Or, do you ignore news altogether. If that is the case, you must have pretty wide stops?
  • momac
    Great posts Gmak and Mole. I really appreciate the updates on what to expect.
  • We try but this is some tough tape - once I crawl out of bed I'll be looking at individual symbols.
  • Tronacate
    RIMM might be breaking out of flag on 5 min
  • Tronacate
    Looks like the volume died on this bounce.......true?
  • texpresso
    out of TZA at 12.15, dang, the vol on the Qs was high enough for me to jump
  • CorporalCarrot
    Methinks theres going to be a lot more people going around with the username "I_Got_Prechterized!" very shortly.
  • Emotions here seem to swing along with the tape ;-)
  • CorporalCarrot
    At least its not as bad as HOB :)
  • LOL :-)
  • gregn
    Sir Carrot, are you also a fan of Ozzy?
  • CorporalCarrot
    You know, I like all kinds of rock & metal, from Purple/Zeppelin, to grindcore like Napalm Death, to Black Metal like Emperor and all sorts in between. But I have never got into Ozzy. I like the first 3 Sabbath albums, but there it ends I'm afraid.
  • Tronacate
    Perry Mason's a great song
  • Tronacate
    Sad truth right there.....200% short.....like yelling fire.....
  • centerline
    Doing so is a serious career move. I really hope it works out for him. Very gutsy call. If it goes wrong, credibility is at stake in a big way. However, it has been surmised on many sites that TA and EWT are the weapons of choice being used by the big boys and possibly the FED to sustain this market. A push here and a pull there to destroy the "natural" movements - and made easier anyhow by the lack of volume and liquidity.
  • cramar
    This is a serious thought that bears some insider facts for confirmation. I've also thought that myself. For example, when there is an a-b-c correction, if near the end of the C-wave the market was stimulated in a big way, it could turn into a 3rd-wave instead of a C. And the opposite. If the market is going to post a 3rd wave advance, with massive intervention at the right time the 3 is turned into a C =A. I've always maintained that market movements will trace out EWs, but most times it is impossible to tell in advance what that wave will be. And sometimes you cannot even tell the direction the market is going to go!
  • gregn
  • centerline
    dip buyers are back.
  • Tronacate
    RIMM looks bear flaggish imo
  • shortcover
    wrote some FXP jan 10 calls...still on the fence about rolling out SRS, TZA, BGZ cov calls...we need to get down to 1030 by mid-dec!
  • dollar
    Q3 FDIC Quarterly Banking Profile: FDIC's deposit insurance fund drops by $18.6B to -$8.2B, the second time in its history the balance has gone into the red. Problem banks swelled to 552 from 416 last quarter. Banks profited a collective $2.8B, while loan balances dropped 2.8% or $210B, the largest decline on record.
  • derekste
    just looked back at my SPY chart and see the hi-to-lo 50% FIB is 110 on the money... explains the bounce at 110.02. I think soylent green from the previous post is in play now.
  • "The tend is down but the cost of being wrong is too high.

    That pretty much summarizes the past two months, gmak.
  • tell me about it, if this damn market had chosen to correct by equity price instead of dollar devaluation I'd be on the green instead of 30% red
  • CorporalCarrot
    ROTFLMFBO at that 10.01 candle. I'm sure shorts covered and bulls piled in alike expecting the normality of the last 6 months to re-assert itself, only to gaze on in absolute horror at the reversal at 10.03. LOOOOOOOL
  • bshah
    If this is telling something... @ AMZN...
    All sale transactions on 11/16. Name & # of Shares.. Range $132-133.. What a scam... and yet they are sticking the price up in my ass... fucking ass holes..

    Wilke, Jeffrey A 16,814.00
    Piacentini, Diego 10,750.00
    Wilson, Lynn Michelle 12,516.00
    Jassy, Andrew R 14,561.00
    Kessel, Steven 13,091.00
    Blackburn, Jeffrey M 5,525.00
    Jassy, Andrew R 14,561.00
    Kessel, Steven 13,091.00
    Blackburn, Jeffrey M 5,525.00

    Also, Dow is down 85 and yet AMZN is down dime or nickle... Fuck me.. Even worse... Scottrade shows from September 3rd they are selling... Holy mother of all...
  • ClutchShorter
    I have not looked at the markets today. Red or green? Someone tell me. I think I know the answer.
  • tradejane
    The ones I'm watching are red.

    In the meanwhile, my lottery scam play IMDS...
  • TWD
    GM madame butterfly. Great place to think about adding SRS calls or straight ETF. Held 8.50 again yesterday. Really good risk to reward here. IYR may go back to test support at 42 again.
  • tradejane
    There, he is. :)

    I already have some shorts, would like to see another drop from here before adding.
  • TWD
    :) I'm being ultra careful and just adding to shorts. Would like to see some real panic selling to let me know that a downtrend is beginning.
  • tradejane
    Well, if the German banks are any indication, the downtrend has definitely began, panic-selling et all. Just having fun in the mean time.
  • dollar
    Nov. Richmond Fed Mfg. Survey: 1 vs. 7 last month (above 0 = growth). Growth in shipments and new orders tapered off, while employment returned to negative territory after being positive for the last two months
  • CorporalCarrot
    Holy crap almighty that was some almighty head-fakin bull/bear crushing reversal candles there on the Dow. Obviously theres something pernicious in the internals of that CC reading, that was not obvious at first glance.
  • I'm back from Houston and managed to put up a long post late last night - please go back and take a look if you missed it.
  • Awesome, mole
  • Tom_27
    Thank you, very nice post.
  • I did and appreciated it a lot, It confirmed my take on the BPSPX indecision 8and sustained short position)

    of course things can be driven higher, as you mentioned, but that's a risk I'll have to take on my own free will
  • highly reccomend that post folks...its moneyyyyyyyyyyyyy
  • Thanks bhp - I came home late last night and wanted to spoil you guys but after posting realized it would be overridden by gmak in the morning.
  • gmak
    You'll notice that I did reference your great post immediately in mine - I felt bad posting (It's cold in the shadow).
  • No - I realized it reading yours - no worries and good work.
  • dollar
    "The moderate improvement in the short-term outlook was the result of a decrease in the percent of consumers expecting business and labor market conditions to worsen, as opposed to an increase in the percent of consumers expecting conditions to improve. Income expectations remain very pessimistic and consumers are entering the holiday season in a very frugal mood."
  • dollar
    10:01 AM Nov. Consumer Confidence: 49.5 vs. 47 expected and 48.7 in October. Expectations 68.5 up from 67. Present situation 21 vs. 21.1 last month.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Green candles everywhere on "consumer confidence." CNBC is working it.
    EDIT: Seems initial reaction is ephemeral. It's looking for direction again.
  • Guest
    P3?
  • centerline
    morning Bob. Nice to see you again. Hope all is well over there.
  • bubble jeopardy
    As my wife would say, don't jinx it, Bob
  • atta boy!
  • Schwerepunkt
    Is there a way to know whether there is an imbalance prior to the opening bell? Futs were up the entire morning. We get a little weakening going into the open today, but then a little tick up followed by a quick 3-pt drop after the open into negative territory. Seems a bit contrived. I suppose the entire market is contrived, but it would be good to know how things are shaping up prior to the bell. Neither TRIN nor TICK are open on my system until 0930h, so they are not much help.
  • Look for divergences between the Euro futures and the ES on a 5-min chart.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Thanks for the advice. Prior to the open, though, ES and EURO were both mildly down. No divergence. They both went up a little just before the opening, and then they both trended down one the bell was rung. So, they're tracking well together today.

    I'm now looking at the price action on the Consumer Confidence number as an opening range trade; go long above 1101.5 ES and go short below 1096. Does that make any sense?
  • texpresso
    when i checked the futures on bloomberg 4 out of 5 were negative, and the B/A on my trading platform showed negative generally
  • Schwerepunkt
    we got a green candle going into the open. ES was positive. Then we dive at the bell. The crux of my question is that on the open there are many orders sitting and waiting for the bell. They are not reflected in the premarket charts or indicators.
  • centerline
    Ha, ha. U.S. Growth rate revised downward. What a load of BS. Same as almost every other meaningful number. Talk about spin control!
  • centerline
    Morning all. The fractal is still in play, IMO, (orange path), until it isn't. So far, price and time, it is still performing. The only rub it seems is the intraday high yesterday. But the close looked good. Lately I have been ignoring the intraday funniness.

    Anyhow, today would need to be flat to down slightly - or else something else might be playing out like Mole illustrated.
  • texpresso
    listened to BRCD CC (Long). expect 1Q to be below seasonality b/c Foundry has different seasonality, but all the idiots are selling b/c they only see guidance down. this thing will snap back fast when the word gets out
  • sorry for highjacking your post, but I must use reply from this computer

    so GS had better numbers than official estimates?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2429697120091124

    does it sound suspicious or what?
  • GS isn't official, I thought it was one and the same?.....harumph!
  • bubble jeopardy
    BB on JNK daily chart have narrowed to a very tight channel. Negative divergences on RSI, MACD, and ROC. Outcome up or down on BB could reveal where this market is going and fast.
  • Nightwind
    gmak..good post, thanks for reminding us about the risk of taking a position in the middle of a channel.....I have been guilty of doing that more than once.
  • gmak
    GDP is out and no surprises one way or another. Looks like the EUR sold off a bit, but certainly nothing exceptional.

    BTW, the word "Route" should be "rout" in the comment following the DXY R2 pivot in the post above.
  • ClutchShorter
    Good post gmak! What platform are you using to view your charts? Is it fee based?
  • gmak
    I use Bloomberg. I get it through work. Data is not real time except for indices. It can be expensive depending on what features you have.
  • dollar
    Q3 GDP (2nd estimate): +2.8% vs. +2.7% expected, +3.5% 1st estimate, -1.2% in Q2. GDP price index +0.5% vs. +0.8% expected and +0.8% in Q2.
  • tradejane
    Well said, gmak.

    One could very well think we must be nuts/suicidal to try and short this market, but then again...

    http://www.screencast.com/t/NjdkMzMwYmQ

    http://www.screencast.com/t/YzIwZGFjM
  • gmak
    Looks like the DAX blew through the bouble top that was forming and we are getting steps going higher. It seems that the banks aren't driving the market lately, for some reason.
  • tradejane
    One or two stocks do not a market make... but if any of them can break it those two will.

    Timing, of course, is essential.

    PS. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Volkswagen and its pretty Christmas-tree pattern on the 5 year chart....

    http://tinyurl.com/yhvrapd
  • Cheers, gmak.

    I'm afraid it's all got too much for this bear - http://tinyurl.com/yzfh4fm
  • LOL.....He's not suicidal. Sometimes it's just lonely being a bear....<sigh>

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxhzxBLksK8</sigh>
  • some bears jumped into the monkey's camp
    some are still short

    your's truly (height challenged)
    Stainless Steel Hamster
  • Great post, gmak - good morning rats!

    I see Bob Prechter was on Fast Money yesterday. Santelli as host is such a hoot. In case you missed it, he cuts Prechter's overview off (around 1:20) saying "The reason I bought your book is Fundamentals take too long & give me a headache. Let's go to the charts..." Prechter is solid as always....

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1340313179&play=1

  • Schwerepunkt
    Thanks for the link. I missed that. Did they get rid of Melissa Lee? She doesn't have much of a presence.
  • No idea Schwerepunkt, I haven't watched in months....shortly after Rattigan's departure. I suspect she's just off though. Santelli seems out of his element here....
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