Living Inside a Broken Clock - Tuesday, Dec. 1, 2009

The blogosphere is attempting to mobilize sane people to contact their Senators and reject Bernanke’s attempt at a second term. States are borrowing money to pay unemployment benefits. Ordinary people are shunning credit cards and using cash this holiday period. Countries are debasing their currencies in an attempt to export their way out of economic malaise to the detriment of their neighbours.  GOLD is benefiting as a haven from financial turbulence. Flagrant spendthrifts are being rewarded and savers beaten. Welcome to the Broken Clock, courtesy of the Evil Speculator and Mole’s considerate nature.

 Yesterday was a fine expample of SPX putting another dainty toe into the cold waters that lead to the abyss, and promptly headed back to the beach to lie on a towel. As you can see in the chart below, the green dashed line once again shows itself to be heady support.

Volume was magnificent as another potential H&S pattern died with a whimper.  Is this to be the fabled re-test of ULTRAVIOLET (the long term trend line from March 2009) or the first salvo in the run up to the often-mentioned SPX = 1122ish.

I believe that this market is tired. In spite of the volumes, the close was only up about 4 points. Liquidity surged yesterday - but I would hazard that Equities are not the beneficiary that they once were. Given the pummelling on the USD, the price of Gold, today could likely be another up day for SPX as fears about Dubai and other possible cockroaches have already faded.

This still walks, talks, and quacks like Distribution.  I wouldn’t go short myself (except on an intra-day scalp). I want to see what happens if SPX does manage to re-test ULTRAVIOLET.  I want to see what happens if SPX once again tries the dashed green line. I’ll give up 10 or 20 points to NOT be hoisted on my on petard.

EQUITY

The world is green. The DAX unabashedly so.  The 5 day chart of the DAX shows that the march up has begun anew.

The DAX opened at 3AM from a lofty perch and pulled the ES up beside him. You can see that ES was wandering in the wilderness all night until that 3AM EST point. (The green, blue, yellow, and red picket fences are momentum and price exhaustion levels).

TD Pressure says ES is overbought on the short term and the important risk level below is the dashed red line at 1102.25. The magic number overhead is 1116. IF ES closes above that with a day or so, and opens higher the next day for another green day….. then the march up will have regained momentum. Pivots are:

  • R2: 1106 =  This was support on Nov 25 (last WED) before the gap down on Thanksgiving. I’ve got the closing level at around 1108 - and ES is almost there.
  • R1: 1100.50 = This was the resistance area yesterday early AM. Europe opened and ES went through it like a hot knife through butter
  • Neutral: 1092.50 = Acted as a floor, on and off, early yesterday and overnight. Seems like solid support
  • S1: 1086.75 = Support level from yesterday. Point of the gap down on Thursday post-lockdown.
  • S2: 1079 = was resistance in the move up off the bottom on Friday. Now, would likely be support.

FX

If you didn’t see it, the AUD is on a tear after rates were hiked another 25 bps. This was expected - but the reaction in the USD and JPY are way beyond what anyone thought would happen. European data from this AM were better than expected and that put a bid under the EUR - even though selling came in at current levels (1.5070ish)

USD is the world’s bitch, once again. CAD, EUR, and GBP are all up strongly. JPY is weaker - but for Pete’s sake, it’s below 0.87. Isn’t anyone wondering why Japan isn’t trying to Jawbone the YEN down? It looks like the EUR has been climbing steps all night from its low at midnight EST. Sort of a measured ramp and camp as direction is muted around the pivot at 1.5071; I think that 1.51 has become a sort of psychological barrier. It has not yet breached the last high of 1.5084 - which I have NO CLUE what that could mean. This is likely just a breathing pause on the way up the mountain again.

DXY is floating in no-man’s land in between two support pivots. It looks like the market is trying to decide whether to head for a new low or crawl along the bottom at this level. If the correlation holds with SPX, it suggests that there is a lot of indecision in equities.

NEWS

European data was stronger than expected. Australia raised rates. China continues to grow. Dubai risk fades. Japanese companies might go on a buying spree as Yen is strong.

DATA

Lots of sales and price data.

 

I suspect that yesterday and today are setting the table for yet more distribution and rotation from one asset class to another. Just remember that prop trading for GS was a losing proposition until Bernanke and Geithner’s new financial world order of FRNs for everyone. I’m waiting. In spite of the USD drop (again), the equity markets still look tired - yesterday’s volume notwithstanding.  The Cialis is wearing off.

Cheers.

 

UPDATE 9:54 AM EST

Here is the daily ES chart with a simple trend line from the low in March 2009.  Can anyone look at that chart and NOT see that the market is tired?.  The purple dashed line above the highs represents a TD risk level that indicates supply waiting to come into the market (in theory). It is at ES = 1116.  ES is being pushed into the nose of a wedge. Above 1116 - possibly a bull run and the end of distribution. Below the trend line - if not an underthrow - then a retrace that can only be confirmed as a bear move if it exceeds the lasat low at ES= 1026.

 

 

 

 

 

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  • rocky5iitr
    laughing is fundamental right of bulls
  • Tronacate
    KRE actually red today......
  • dollar
    BKX too
  • Tronacate
    When can I expect me Prechter 200% short position to go green?
  • u missed it - it did - for about 10 seconds right after they opened it - but now they can say they had a chance to make money
  • am i detecting some sarcasm and pretcher bashing?

    pearls to.....
  • PRSGuitars
    My prechterbashing from October: http://screencast.com/t/MmY0YTk2NDct
  • PRSGuitars
    In 200% of your typical allotted trade time (assuming you have 200% of your normal drawdown capacity).

    You'll make 17% though, because VIX will be down when the market falls.

    Don't worry, put your headphones back on and drink another. Resistance is feudal (I feel like a serf).
  • Tronacate
    I'm throwing European Vacation in the VCR tonite.......need to laugh some
  • gsavli
    good choice and a wise trading move :)
  • Tronacate
    Thank you.......wishing I'd gone 300%
  • mtvernon
    Fed is conducting back door bailouts with AIG, multiple countries are devaluing their currencies, gold is quickly becoming a currency and rendering the Fed irrelevant, there isnt enough $ to roll the US govt debt next year let alone all the other sovereign and private debt (witness Dubai, but really think China and CRE) AND YET WE RALLY ON. multiple technical divergences, completed EW counts, logical fib resistance zones, vapor volume rallies AND YET WE RALLY ON. Obama, the anti war candidate???, leading us into an expansion of a war that nobody rationale supports AND YET WE RALLY ON. Bear species is extinct and everyone is fully invested long if you believe sentiment indicators AND YET WE RALLY ON.

    WTF
  • Me_XMan
    WTF is right. Wow.
  • texpresso
    as long as the LEI continues to go up, the markets will continue to go up, regardless of all the above. don't fight the LEI. futures? IMO the LEI will stop improving then start going down first of the year, but you must wait for it
  • mtvernon
    No offense, but do you know what the ten components of LEI are? How that retarded diffusion index means jack is funny
  • texpresso
    no, and i could not care less. that retarded index means everything to the people who buy enough stocks to move the markets. you ask, i explain, you offend, talk about retarded... but hey, no offense
  • rocky5iitr
    fed can pump infinite liquidity, dow is headed for 20000 , all thats ok but will it do it in one way like a bullet train, who knows . imho a correction is not due but overdue
  • CorporalCarrot
    For what its worth, I have been following McHugh for the last month on the 30 day free trial, and for the past 10 days or so the tone of the updates has been one of potential collapse just around the corner. Today there is a sea-change in the tone of his update. Draw your own conclusions

    "While it is possible stocks are rolling over here, investing is a risk management affair, so we need to be alert to all scenarios that develop with higher than random probability. If stocks are rolling over, they need to drop sharply soon.

    Tuesday's stock rally has set up a short-term Bullish scenario that needs to be considered. This in no way changes anything as far as the belief that wave (C ) down is approaching. The rally the past two days could be merely the typical end of month - beginning of month short-term bullish behavior, however something else more short-term bullish could be occurring.

    We now find ourselves in the traditionally positive season of the year, from the U.S. Thanksgiving holiday through Christmas and New Years. There have not been many years where stocks fell hard during this period of time. Given this cyclical phenomenon, we must consider the risk that stocks hold up, maybe even reach new rally highs in December 2009. The inflation adjusted all-time high in the Industrials occurred in the month of January in 2000. This year also saw a significant high in the month of January that was followed by a stock market plunge through March. So, we must respect the historic patterns of the market and consider the possibility of an alternate labeling where wave (B) up continues into January 2010.

    In studying the charts, there is a pattern that has formed in the S&P 500 which is Bullish, and suggests an upside breakout toward 1,200 is possible into January. This would take prices much closer to the upper boundary of the Rising Ascending Bearish Expanding Wedge we have been showing for months. This pattern is a Bullish Flag pattern with an upside target of 1,200ish for this alternate scenario. The flag portion of this pattern looks close to completion, which means an upside breakout could come soon"
  • Me_XMan
    Wow.
  • texpresso
    isn't it safe to assume that the fundies will try to manufacture a sell-off some time so they can re-buy the small and midcaps (that they sold in oct) cheap after jan 1?
  • CorporalCarrot
    Look on the bright side guys. If the Dow fails here we can all claim this is a Double top :)

    In terms of the longer term scenario, it really is "shit or get off the pot" time for the bears.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU&p=D&yr=3...

    Really though, will the market respect this trendline?
  • texpresso
    dont we have a triple top for the SPX?
  • Me_XMan
    If breaks above then lookout!
  • CorporalCarrot
    Here is my S&P rounded top scenario

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&b=5&g...
  • gmak
    It certainly didn't for SPX. FED has money (MBS programme) to throw into the financial system until March. I don't think that lack of funds will be a factor in December.
  • Tronacate
    Damn.....no short term update today .......
  • Schwerepunkt
    Crack-spread girls are loving this melt up.
  • Nightwind
    spx could go higher if EUR breaks up on the triangle
  • OK
    as per my order SPX just hit 1112.28
    http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/2009/12/morn...

    now it is time to fall off the cliff
  • shortcover
    time to put on some shorts...gift entries are here!
  • wrc1k
    The "gift" that keeps on giving . . .
  • shortcover
    right...one day...i just keep writing in the money covered calls and it's working out ok. no big wins tho...
  • rocky5iitr
    More FX PEARLS OF WISDOM from the Fed: Plosser: USD recent decline must be seen in context of its rise during crisis $USDX
  • Nightwind
    spx hitting backtest line, RUT is closing gap
  • bshah
    wow... look at this... Everything is fine.. hunky dory.. fuck this man... People are starving, worst christmas for so many and yet, world is high on weed... Oh well...
    AMZN is flying and target is even higher, good for those execs, who now can easily sell into the top of the money and enjoy the best christmas...
    Any chance on AMZN dump here... No signals it seems right.. Anybody ?
  • PRSGuitars
    Personally I gave up because any dip on AMZN is likely to get bought for consolidation. Puts were the play when there was a gap fill possible; now it's better to put the money to work elsewhere.
  • bshah
    It's amazing to see that AMZN/PCLN/GOOG all made 52 week high and keep making it everyday... WOW... ... Simply wowed.. So PRS, all TA's now not applicable in atleast all these 3 names .. ya... I mean, there is just so much big money involved, that they can manipulate anyway they want and at these prices, it's not our cup of tea... is it ?
  • PRSGuitars
    On the other side of the coin, AMZN is seeing money flows that are pushing it higher. Never mind the 4% margin (uh, can you say low margin for a 60 p/e?).

    Can't argue with price. Sucks to be manipulated, as you say, but if we were amzn bulls we'd argue that price is all that pays. Unfortunately they were right for the timeframe I'm trading...
  • bshah
    Do you use "TRIX" ? besides STO, RSI and Ultimate Oscillator, I saw that one and though it is high as 1.012 (source StockCharts), 15 day trix is crossed 9 day MA.... Thoughts ?
  • PRSGuitars
    I don't follow the MAs on the indicators -- I watch TRIN, TICK, ADVN-DECN (just the difference b/w the two), UVOL & DVOL comp'd to SPX, and VIX. TNX, DX, EUR/USD, and XLF are also on my screens.

    NYMO (McClellan Oscillator) + put/call ratios on a daily level + WSJ's money flows @ EOD (http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-mf...). That's the selling on strength page; there's also a link on there for buying on weakness.

    Nothing can be trusted as imminent anymore. I feel very odd about this ramp higher, as though the bulls who've been shaken out from Du-buy-the-dip are fiercely chasing this.

    EUR @ top of daily BB and DX @ bottom of daily BB. Weird...
  • Tronacate
    Just pulled up a little Vai, Satriani, etc on the big screen last night.......gawd Vai has LONG fingers.
  • Tronacate
    Saw Journey in Henderson NV.........Schon is still playing awesome
  • have not you heard? they price AMZN in yen - so the sky is the limit
  • Nightwind
    EUR and DX forming triangles
  • well, just a question...

    bull flags lean down

    WTF are we seeing (see in a 1 month perspective)

    is there a "battlement" patern somewhere? how far can it go? how many almost flat highs and flat lows with huge gaps?
  • gregn
    Looks like we broke above the bear market trendline...
  • WTFed
    Looks like the dollar hit that retrace level Mole mentioned a few days ago.
  • Who's ready for the mother of all stop sweeps?
  • Looking more and more likely now that it's taken so long to drop back......this now looks like it's basing to jump higher.......and given that the consolidation of this morning's rally has hardly retraced, it could be a very violent leap.....
  • Considering the trendline it's breaching is the bull/bear trendline I would expect a HUUUUUUGE pop.
  • Schwerepunkt
    removed; duplication
  • Tronacate
    FAZ actually starting to make a move here......
  • tradejane
    A green close on that would be a confirmation of sorts. :)

    http://www.screencast.com/t/ZWQwYzE4Zj
  • TransworldDepravity
    Nice fractal Jane. Looks like a rough inverse head and shoulders forming also if today's low of 24 is not taken out.
  • gregn
    VIX and /dx getting pummeled today..
  • centerline
    Notably though, the VIX has not retreated to Nov 18 or Nov 25 levels, corresponding to the other two tops this fractal so far.
  • Schwerepunkt
    I really thought when Plosser talked about hiking rates early the market would fall off a cliff. It's not cooperating, but it's only a matter of time. Hopefully, I'll still be short, but I'm about to get stopped out at essentially breakeven. Edit: out.
  • CorporalCarrot
    Another Sanity Check here folks. Everyone seems to have the impression that the day has gotten worse for the bears as the day has gone on. Yet the Dow is less than 5 points higher than it was at 9.41 am. If this is too much to bear, you are beyond your pain thresholds.

    www.drphil.com
  • Nightwind
    I haven't heard anything from TOS on leveraged ETFs.
  • bobthehorse
    well, i know nobody likes fundamentals but I have just been updating some of my models and today's eco data is consistent with an S&P target of 1000 by year-end, i.e. an ugly dec.
  • and that cold be a double bottom in real terms if gold is in the 1300-1400 range
  • PRSGuitars
    Thanks, bob, appreciate your thoughts.
  • gsavli
    what about the traditional santa rally that everybody is expecting? :)
  • bsummertime
    "everybody is expecting" hmmm
  • CorporalCarrot
    Those 1050s should be worth some serious coin then ;-)
  • Publius Federali
    Fundamentals? What are those? You mean things like a bankrupt country?
  • gregn
    How's Argentina?
  • Publius Federali
    Argentina is going great from a vacation perspective. Visiting with my family and old friends, just a little too busy for my avid-indoorsman lifestyle.

    From an economic/social perspective it is a bit of a mess. The city I am in, Rosario, is the second or third largest in the country. It is doing well because it is on the river and surrounded by farmland. With commodity prices up, farmland prices are sky high, and money is abundant for those in the land owning classes. However, I think there is a tremendous real estate bubble going on. The second commodity prices drop there will be problems. Two bedroom apartments (not US size either) overlooking the river are going for $500-600k. US dollars that is. But a waiter or shop keep might make 1500-2000 pesos a month. My cousin told me the government took $130k from him during the bank crisis and gave him back $3k. He won't save a penny in these banks.

    Government is non-existent. They provide nothing. Stray dogs all over, broken sidewalks and streets, mosquitoes at unbearable levels (they did not fumigate). This city is relatively safe, but I am told not to walk around late at night in empty areas. Saw shanties on the city outskirts though. The day I arrived the street to my hotel was closed with poor protesters. They were on horse and buggy. Mainly native Indian people, the "minority" here. I am told that BA central city area is safe but if you go to the suburbs the crime is rampant. Will be there in a week.

    But life goes on. People live their lives, they know things are not right in the country, but what can they do. The Kirchner's have their hands in everything. No business gets done without them getting a cut.

    Heading to Uruguay later this week, and will try to get a handle on it. Much smaller country, not left leaning, much more stable.

    Been told the south here is the place to go. Beautiful scenery, nice weather, safer, calmer.

    Will try to do a write-up sometime when I get back in mid December.
  • minus273
    Thanks for that, interesting read. You going to Punta Del Este? Outside the town heading north there were just endless stunning beaches with nothing for about 10 miles and after that more of the same. few coves with surfers but not much else. Looked like they were preparing to build a lot though along the beach as they had started cutting the forest down. Was about 11 years ago.
  • Publius Federali
    Heading to Punta on Friday. Have not been there in a while but will definitely take a care ride around the areas to check it out. From what I hear Punta is quite an elitist area though. Everything is sky high price wise. I will try to confirm for myself rather than just take someone's word for it. The truth is that it is the vacation spot for all the wealth Argentines and Brazilians, so there might be some truth to it.
  • minus273
    Yea, I heard that too, but when I went it was off season, just some skaters in the bowl there and some surfers. Not really anyone else around. Pretty chill and great beaches. Prices were ok, maybe a tad high for my broke ass at the time, but low compared to Europe.
  • Publius Federali
    I'll give you an update after I come back. I am driving there so will get a good view of most of Uruguay as it is a tiny country.
  • Tronacate
    I looked at a place in Chile near Futaleufu.......until Puerto Montt volcano erupted.....
  • gregn
    Sounds like a bubble alright. That is outrageous that your cousin lost 120k+ to the government. I wish you a great remainder of your vacation and safety to you and your family down there.
  • Me_XMan
    It's still on the map correct?
  • Cypherd
    fyi.. Just got an email from my brokerage notifying me that I may be forced to cover my short position in UPRO as they cannot be borrowed currently.
  • texpresso
    been reading karl d on SA for quite a while, his theories usually fail to pan out. read him and ZH every day and you can get really freaked out

    back in TZA
  • Me_XMan
    Karl is right on but it takes time to pan out...if the guy behind the curtains failed to do his job.
  • CorporalCarrot
    I'm selling SPX here at 1109.4, Dow 10,470 and FTSE at 5,309.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Euro seems to have made a vst H&S on an intraday basis. we can drop now, thank you.
  • Me_XMan
    Looking like SPX going higher after today's econ numbers.
  • Schwerepunkt
    OK, I am short now 1/2 position from 1109 ES.

    I've put in a stop at 1108.75. If I get stopped out (for a teeny-tiny profit) I will reshort higher. I have hopes we will drop now if Euro will just turnover!
  • bearmaid
    Is this a bullish chart or am I wrong?

    Moles CPCE chart he posted some weeks ago:
    http://www.screencast.com/users/bearmaid/folder...
  • Talking of Karl D, did you see this?? Kinda puts me in mind of *that* Bear Stearns take-down play..

    Even better, someone is coming after AIG front-month PUTs on the $25, $20 and $17.50 strikes - PUTs with about two weeks left. Over 7,500 of them this morning alone, with the stock trading at $29.57.

    http://market-ticker.org/archives/1680-Fed-Marg...
  • tfinavia
    Never believe anything Karl says. He's got zero trading experience.
  • plus he heard it on fast money
  • gregn
    Interesting, thank you, sir.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Come on Michele, move from talking about "broadband penetration" to "crack spreads," please! That would make my day.
  • I like both subject when she talks about it
  • Schwerepunkt
    Me too. But it really floors me when those girls talk about crack spreads. I nearly lose it every time.
  • bubble jeopardy
    lmao
  • CorporalCarrot
    Folks,

    My post is not intended to be a criticism of any Technical Analysis methods. I just get worried for people who seem, on the face of the tone of their comments, to be committing far too much capital based on what a particular TA method predicts will happen. TA should be used as a guideline, and if it fails it fails. If you find yourself in despair at the failure, then you are betting too much.

    This is evident here based on some comments, when as I have illustrated, in fact the market has barely moved in real terms in 6 weeks.

    Incidentally, SPX is brushing the top of my rounded top scenario here.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&b=5&g...
  • in real terms it broke 15%

    and those of us whining here is a bit on the "share the pain" angle

    just to unwind a bit, most follow the "if I have no reason to be long then I should be short" approach, and even in nominal terms these last weeks din't give reasons to go long (that might change)
  • Persian_Gerb
    To those who trade options, one learns quickly the 3rd option.
    "Sit. Wait. Patience." - theta burn is an uuuuugly lesson.
  • Ladies and gents
    One of us is smarter than the others...here is the reason for the f..ng rally

    Tronacate [Moderator] 6 minutes ago in reply to DavidDT
    LOL.......sad truth there.......gotta meet a margin call today with the short etf rule change.......bastids
  • I see... as regular bear squeeze was no longer enough for fueling the rally they're going for lighter hand bear pocket money
  • Persian_Gerb
    for the curious...i try to add value where I can.

    http://etfdb.com/2009/new-finra-margin-requirem...
  • someone had posted a mail a couple of days ago, but I thought it would have little effect before a major move
  • thank you Sir (I kind of knew about new rules in effect today, but since I am not trading decaying instruments I totally forgot about it)
    Lots of people must be hit today
  • gregn
    The timing on this new rule is suspect.
  • Nightwind
    hrly spx approaching back test line of 1112-ish
  • fast996
    I never try to pick a top but......I went 100x here,oh well.
  • gregn
    This fractal looks like a larger scale version of the fractal from the top of the last mini-rally:
    http://screencast.com/t/YzNjNWMwNWQ
    If this plays out, we should gap down tomorrow then come back to falling TL and drop like a rock.
  • CorporalCarrot
    We still have not printed new tops folks!!!!!. The S&P 500 is only 7 bloody points above where it was on the 21st of October. Thats a whopping 0.6% of a move in 6 weeks!!!! If that sort of move has you pulling your hair out, you are trading beyond your means and should trim your positions.

    The problem for too many people is that while they profess to waiting for confirmation of a downturn before going short, in actual fact at the first sign of a fall they can't help themelves jumping in. In actual fact they are merely getting in on a retracement, only to get pummeled again. They they feel frustrated and cover at highs, and get trapped in a sell low, buy high vicious cycle.

    If you feel this way, wait for some significant confirmation of a trend change. If you believe that there will be an eventual downturn, it will be huge in magnitude, and missing the first 50 S&P points won't matter after a 400 point fall.

    So forget EWT and look for the basics. A lower high, and lower low, a 50 day/200 day MA cross to the downside, a major failure at a significant support line. Whatever, we will know it when we see it.

    Don't short at the first sign of a piece of news like the Dubai bullshit that you THINK might be the start of P3. If someone like Bob's potential scenario plays out, you will be bankrupt in no time. And I have no doubt that if the Dow gets back to 14,000 then people will manage to find an Elliott Wave labelling to fit that scenario with hindsight.

    There is nothing magical about EWT or any fib level or any long term downtrend line from 2007 that someone THINKS will magically stop the market in its tracks. The market can and will go over those levels if it wants to. Only with hindsight will the top be evident, your mission if you choose to accept it, is to have kept sufficient ammunition to be able to take advantage when it is apparent, and there will be plenty of opportunities to go short when it does.

    Forget trying to pick tops. Its crazy stuff. Stay in the game!!!!
  • Persian_Gerb
    So forget EWT and look for the basics.
    My gawsh, i think i'm in luv.
    ;-)
  • amokta
    Great post - so wht do we bother with elliott wavs, and trend lines!
  • Tronacate
    ^^^^^^true stuff.......no need to be a hero.
  • Tronacate
    IYR just pulled a textbook cup and handle....
  • texpresso
    out of TZA until i see what SPX does at 1112
  • Persian_Gerb
    Closed from last Wednesday!?!?

    See Hamster, all gaps are filled.
  • gerbil, I've got some top dubay real estate for you to buy if you say one more word ;-)
  • Persian_Gerb
    ..buy? you mean bury in!!!

    LOL
  • it's an excelent invetment you see? I also have some greek bonds, some great real estate in china, equities with P/E barely in the 3 digits and some bridges...
  • The Unknown Trader
    Are you and Gerbil_gold related? :)
  • only zoologicaly speaking

    + he also pays attention to gold, I do but on a real spx (spx:gold perspective)
  • Persian_Gerb
    absolutely NOT.
    but we do have an uncanny taste for gold ratio charts!
    yum yum yum
  • yum ym, they taste of dow at 1 ounce...
  • Schwerepunkt
    Euro has trended down for the last 40-minutes while ES is flat or up over the same time. What is going on?
  • go short
  • Schwerepunkt
    Now the MF Euro is moving up again. Seems it was a headfake or was just building up energy to go higher. This is really depressing for a bear, even one like myself who is currently flatter than Erin Burnette.
  • Publius Federali
    Updating someone's post earlier today, Karl "no slave to fashion" Denninger has an entire bit about GS pussies purchasing guns.

    http://market-ticker.org/archives/1679-Goldman-...

    Hint, first take lessons with weapons before you go and purchase them. Second, your handgun will do nothing when you are up against an M4 or tactical shottie.
  • couldn't we just drop them in afghanistan?

    I seem to recall they had some horse sports where they used captured russian soldiers as balls
  • Hey - I saw people from my platoon with legs/hands cut off - don't make jokes about it
  • shit! I can't get one joke across this board, I was just thinking of offering osama a plane with the GPS coordinates of GS when I said "yo stpid hamster, some have lost people on 9/11" I drop that one and come up with the idea of droping them in camel land.... and you end up being a afghan war russian veteran.

    not my day

    p.s. no offense meant, I know that soldiers end up as cannon fodder regardless of the the ideologies in the wars they are told to play and they were your brothers in arms
  • Me_XMan
    Yeah just like in Call of Duty - Modern warfare 2.
    One fricking hell of a game! I love it!!!
  • cut that, we're talking about real war, the one where you get hurt and killed. You don't see many who have "played" wanting a sequel
  • Tronacate
    Fuck war......bunch of greedy old men sending the young to die
  • did you read the thornstein veblen book about war and patriotism thatI posted the link to?
  • Tronacate
    No........but I like the Oscar Wilde quote......."Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious"
  • texpresso
    wilde was a hell of an artist but a complete jackass as a person and philosopher
  • Tronacate
    True....BUT.......even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.

    I like Goering's quote the best:

    "Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on
    a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of
    it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people
    don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in
    Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
    country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to
    drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist
    dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no
    voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
    That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked,
    and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
    country to danger. It works the same in any country."
  • ok, but the war right now is the market and we're being slaughterd (beside, it OT and second time for that quote....yes, someone pays attention)
  • Schwerepunkt
    War! Huh. Good god. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Say it again . . .
  • Schwerepunkt
    Agreed.
  • centerline
    sorry SSH. no offense intended at all. just easily sidetracked onto lighter subjects!
  • none taken, i was lucky enough not to have passed through any, but dave did and maybe some others. knew some veterans though (and some younger than me)
  • vision_invisible
    RE: War and Media and Veterans - relevant topic for today.

    This requires a deep discussion but here is one small way in which "the agenda" and "spectrum of debate" gets set. Anyone who listens acti vely will find MILLIONS of dissenting voices. By 1969 until today 70% of Americans believed Vietnam was fundamentally wrong. Yet, the media never ever presented a cogent reasoned voice on this matter and still to this day do not.

    Don't listen to me, how about war vet Jesse Ventura http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-cancelled-jes...

    Clip #1
    100 I was going to opposed to the Iraq war. It was not the right thing to do it was wrong. There was nobody speaking out. THe only person that was Phil Donaghue and they yanked him off. He was on MSNBC at the time he was the highest rated show. Alex, you and I know networks don't pull their highest rate shows. Unless they are owned by MSNBC partly by GE one of the largest defense contractors.
    203 Somebody clearly had a political agenda...the alternative side was not going to be heard. There was never ever a formal debate out there.
    250 I think they thought because I was a Navy Seal I would be automatically be a hawk. I would support any war effort. They don't realize the most reluctant people to go to war are the veterans who have been there.
    My father had 7 bronze battle stars. He so vehemently opposed Vietnam I used to fight with him when I come home from school. I was being taught we had to stop the domino effect of communism,
    he said it is a bunch of crap it is people over there making money. He was right I was wrong.
    335 My dad was more than Germany, he was in the war before Normandy... he fought rommel on the north african desert. He had battle stars for North Africa, Normandy, Battle of the Bulge, Romken Bridge, Anzio and Berlin. I think he saw it all Alex.
  • centerline
    Playing it a second time. This round on veteran. Great game.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Multiplayer. Amazing. And a big wide screen is unbelievable.
  • centerline
    haven't been on multiplayer yet. am going to try it soon. one of these days I am going to break down and get a good HD projector and a 12 ft screen. Still in multi-year dog house for motorcycles and drums though.
  • JoeBear
    Mole or fellow rats, can we get an updated BAA spread chart? In his daily update today Rosenberg wrote:

    "Baa spreads widening 15bps from nearby lows and by 25bps in the high-yield market."

    Maybe this sucker just turned up?
  • texpresso
    if you missed ALTR's revised guidance and ADCT's CC, avoid shorting telcom electronics equipment, T and VZ are on an equipment cap ex ramp (ALTR, XLNX, CSCO, JNPR, CIEN, opticals)
  • marcopolo101520
    gasoline on fire:
    Mid-America economy deteriorates in November: survey
    REUTERS.
  • marcopolo101520
    gasoline is still 10% ethanol....they will try to dilute it more to 15% ethanol...
  • texpresso
    at which point it will start eating old engines not made to use it, idiots
  • weasel_whisperer
    C4C - Crash for Clunkers
  • elliott_surfs
    EDZ .10 shy of its 52wk lows if anyone interested
  • amokta
    Is there such a thing as Triple Island Reversal
    By they way, is this a good time to buy gold?!
    Dangerous trying to short gold with DZZ - almost as suicidal as FAZ?
  • PRSGuitars
    Hourly EUR/USD candle looks poopy. Near previous swing highs. Just hit A = 1.5*C on day's move (from midnight bottom). Holding 50sma on 5min (trend average) so still up until it ain't...

    Just waiting. Still living my life while this mess unfolds. I've been AWOL now for some time trying to discern where things -- for myself and for the market -- are going. Am back fulltime this week... really...
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