The Wall

And we are back at the 1111 wall which thus far has remained impenetrable for the bulls:

So, it’s starting to look like Soylent Green to me quite simply because this time around there is some room left on my daily RSI_EMA and according to the old aphorism that ‘four times is a charm in the stock market’. I’m not saying it will happen right now and right here but unless the bears make a stand they will have to give up this line of defense, just like all the others they had to relinquish this year. Sad fact – same old pattern.

I have removed the orange scenario as I wouldn’t really feel comfortable counting it this way should we suddenly drop hard from here. But quite frankly, based on this setup it would be highly unusual to see this triangle fail – not to say that ‘unusual’ means ‘impossible’ in this market. Remember participation is thin, thus anything is possible and retail traders (i.e. steel rats) usually often find themselves on the receiving end of the stick when the market suddenly turns on a dime.

My advice – forget about the news and stick with your charts. I think the Dubai debacle once more proved that point which I am trying to ingrain into your rodent skulls. The market didn’t drop because of Dubai last week – the turning point was reached and the MSM was simply correlating to unrelated events. Not that the news cannot conjure up some short term gyrations – yes they can – but anything beyond a day is a pure function of investor sentiment.

At this point I suggest that everyone make very small bets going into the Christmas season – I don’t expect any major moves. If you are holding December/January puts you might be wise to start rolling them into March/June as theta burn will increasingly reduce your premium, even in sideways mode.

That’s right, I’m going old school today :-)

3:00pm EDT: I just updated my brand spanking new ISEE chart and it’s not looking good for the bears:

This is a complete reversal in sentiment here and it seems that the prior high was reversed in a matter of two trading days, which is insane. I think at this point this market has turned into a casino. I would strongly suggest you focus on extremely long term trades (i.e. 3 months plus) or swing/scalp trading – everything in between will blow up in your face.

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  • jaxon
    Mole-You have an almost tireless passion for this pain train. Thank you for that. Question: If this "was" a triangle on the SPX with a throw under as you postulate in the above chart is it not quite often the case, as it states in our bible, that the thrust up from the "e" wave (throw under) is the distance of the widest part of triangle? If that is the case, this last wave up seems to be about right.

    Also, doesn't this look like some kind of Frankenstein H & S?

    Thanks again. jaxon
  • PRSGuitars
    For anyone watching these gasps into the close, arak0 taught me a trick a long time ago.

    Look for time pivots into the close. 3:45, 3:50, 3:55, 4:00, etc. Watch how the market will gyrate but dip into 4 o clock, say, to provide an AH buying burst.

    Whatever move occurs, if one-sided, into the close/AH (as we had today, dumping NQ into the close but buying it AH), THERE WILL BE A REVERSAL TRADE NEAR 4:09-4:12 pm EST as traders take profits. This is usually good for a point or two scalp if you see ENOUGH of a one-sided setup.

    No guarantees but 4:09-4:12pm EST is typically where you see the last of the buying and the dip begins. Note that you have to exit quickly as, such as in today, there's also the possibility of a 4:14:30 rampjob.

    Just a scalping technique.
  • texpresso
    all of my longs had high vol the last 30 min and none went up, some went down, nice short signal for tomorrow-- unless i wake up and china, europe and US futures are all up again ha
  • centerline
    If the past two tops serve as a guide, we spend 2 more days at most gyrating around these levels, then turn on the 4th with a gap down.

    All bets are off if we gap up over 1111 tomorrow and hold by even a pt.
  • Schwerepunkt
    That is the usual MO. Gap over resistance with futures and let the indices catch up.
  • centerline
    Yup. It will be a sad moment if it happens. Until then, I am sticking with my plan though - which is still fractal based.

    Interesting sidebar that treasuries spiked in the PM at about the same time as equities started dropping. Over the last few sessions, the typical inverse correlation has not been working. Today after 2 PM it was in sync again.
  • centerline
    As f-ed up as it seems, the fractal is alive on price movement, but time has extended too far at this point. This third fractal has expanded considerably. Still looking at 3 tops though. Holding short position yet a little longer here. Probably suicide, but... what the hell!
  • news on AAPL?
  • aaple got boiled and put in a pie
  • bshah
    something happend.. everything is frozen...?
  • Me_XMan
    Fricking bulls holding here and I know they'll attack 1120 this week. WTF!
  • ClutchShorter
    Wow, good catch on AAPL. Seriously, there are a lot of mixed signals right now. Look at GS and AAPL
  • AAPL vol now going to rise vs. yesterday as well
  • Rising vol on GS also
  • ClutchShorter
    I'm calling the top or not. =)
  • CorporalCarrot
    And I think it might go up or down.....or stay roughly the same.
  • and you both are correct indeed
  • PRSGuitars
    NQ getting SHIT ON into the close
  • Check out AAPL

    mkt leader
  • vision_invisible
    good eyes on aapl, i have a limit of 40 symbols on a page and it fell off that list on this crappy broker
  • shortcover
    maybe we get a nice doji or spinning top ...
  • rocky
    yeah its ugly since it gave up 5 pts in last 50 min , lets pump it back to day high,common bears lets start buying
  • Market looking ugly
  • This is news?
  • Perhaps not. actually going down would be news - ok, i give you that.

    ...going to go down, imo. might be peaking today, or not; i dont really care; ready to attack
  • gsavli
    you mean for bears? :)
  • No, i'm serious. terrible divergences + recent sentiment extremes
    (today's ISEE decline not important, imo).

    Seasonal strength ends today. If weak action tomorrow I'm going into full-scale attack;otherwise just waiting for it (though already more short than long here)
  • For everyone - how did the bulls make money in the past month? The bears assume the bulls love this but they do not.
  • formykids
    Mole -

    Interesting comment and I agree. I'm not a bull, but had a bunch of my wife's stock she inherited and finally let me advise her on around the bottom in March. I didn't quite know what to do with it then, but as the market rebounded I decided to just let it sit and keep moving up the stops. Well, 9 months later only 2 or 3 of the twelve positions have been stopped out. On about 10 different occasions I've wanted to sell everything, but the crap keeps rising, so I'm just gonna keep sitting here and looking at the stops once every week or two...

    Looking back at the charts, like you say, not much has been made to the upside the last couple months, but none of her stuff is going down, that's for sure....

    Crazy.
  • PRSGuitars
    Well done!
  • texpresso
    made good day money long china, little bit of day money tza and twm, US longs up a few % month over month
  • gsavli
    ditto there...
  • CorporalCarrot
    Could someone please contact Goldmans. All my trades today are in the money. Something's wrong here.
  • texpresso
    went long networking and china at the bell, made out like a bandit, gave a little back on tza, good day
  • just had the answer, Santa came earlier this year (and mrs. sant is already complaining)
  • Guest
    i'm not. still in the office, short from 1103. though I did double up at 1108
  • Tronacate
    The worlds ending in 2012 anyways.....go have fun
  • Gold_Gerb
    Soylent green, that's it!? no more orange? no more blue? by god - where's the fire!?
    where's the fight? - no alternative wave count? - unbelievable.

    <said a="" coach="" down="" in="" is="" of="" spirit="" team="" the="" who's="">
    </said>
  • Well, as I said in the post - a large drop from here would be a failed triangle, thus I didn't offer it. Doesn't mean it can't happen.
  • Gold_Gerb
    true. and i did read that.
    when I think "can't happen" - i always triple check. and then check again.
    thanks for the fresh post! (some blogs get so mouldy stale)
  • gmak
    Oops. Guess the stop wasn't low enough. Is this a new paradigm? :-)
  • Tronacate
    Leveraged ETFs had to be covered.....now the market can tank with impunity....
  • rocky
    bears can only appreciate humour ,bulls cant digest 200 pt red on dow and they go speechless , on the contrary bears light up their cigars and crack jokes about hot chicks
  • takes balls and sense of humour to be a contrarian
  • Gold_Gerb
    ..and a spx:gold chart. (LoL)
  • I'll take brains ... and 60% of upside
  • well, without brains you don't even consider being a contrarian, as for the 60% upside... there is one thing that beats brains, and that's brown (and with the money that was pumped into this market you can bet you know how the skinny nerd feels as he's beaten by 7 foot hulk on steroids)
  • PRSGuitars
    EUR 133 of 133 -- extension porn!

    http://screencast.com/t/YWIxZTIwYWM
  • gmak
    Getting back to VWAP territory If you wanted to scalp long into EOD, then this is the time. Put a stop below SPX = 1108. VWAP is 1108.50 for today.
  • welcome to the never goes down market
  • just like my ex GF
  • lol
  • Well, trading should be easy then, right? ;-)
  • lol
    unpredictable
    today was supposed to be a solid down day..
    gs never got the memo
  • texpresso
    IMO, lo mas importante is to have a nice cash stash when the negative guidance starts rolling in january quarter reports; that is when the big money will be made
  • http://screencast.com/t/ZDc2YzlhN

    15 min BB knocking down the Total Market

    More at
    http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/
  • Schwerepunkt
    EU's Juncker talking down the Euro.
  • Hmm... possibly time for a mini dollar pump?

    AUDUSD - http://screencast.com/t/ZjZhODI3N
    GBPUSD - http://screencast.com/t/YzEzNDJj
    USDCHF - http://screencast.com/t/Nzk5YTg1Nj
  • gregn
    Definitely looks promising. Thanks for the charts, buddy.
  • gregn
    AUDUSD and GBPUSD are same chart. If it's time for a USD pump, please hold the dump.
  • Yeah - you always pick me up on that. Give it a refresh and consider it held.
  • rocky
    we are yet to see a real down day this month
  • gmak
    If you are referring to Nov, How about Nov12, 19, 27?
  • shortcover
    ...it's only 12/1! you mean in Nov?
  • rocky
    yeah
  • gmak
    It's a joke! Clearly the Bulls have speared the bears' collective sense of humour on their horns! ;-)
  • I don't think so, but we'll see how well bull's humour fares when they take 500 points against them
  • gmak
    Not looking forward to it, though. Dire economic times to follow, I think.
  • look, I see dire times at least until 2017

    the only question is if it is honest dire times or inflation crazy dire times

    the jury is out, but I see thos supporting inflation asking for some rope
  • gmak
    For themselves, or to hang others?
  • ohhh, there's plenty for everybody

    now chop chop, move along, nothing to see
  • gsavli
    if that happens by the end of this year, i will be very happy.
  • gmak
    On the 5 min SPX chart, I've got:

    1. Bearish cross between 9 and 23 pMA, following a "perfect" bounce off of today's VWAP.
    2. Lower highs and lower lows since 13:30 EST.
    3. Starting to see overbought conditions on TD pressure.

    MACD is not confirming the bearish TA -but it can be fickle. Smart move would be to play long with a stop just below the VWAP, or to sit on hands. I'm still watching with feigned amusement. Something tells me that I will be comatose (almost) until March 2010.
  • gsavli
    if we are lucky (which we bears are not), then this could be some kind of crippled RS in dire need of arthroplasty forming on the 1min chart.
  • rocky
    i think spx is in 5 pt range from last 5 hours
  • gsavli
    what's with GS? how come we are rallying here and nobody seems to want this stock?

    nevermind that. at least AIG is skyrocketing, at least one good financial institution is following this rally.
  • CorporalCarrot
    Probably because smart money knows that the best of their profits are behind them and unsustainable.
  • gsavli
    ;) we've all seen, at what prices did smart money exit GS.
  • rocky
    because so called smart retailers are hunting other bargains
  • Cerebro82
    Mole great analysis. A quick alternate view, what if we are just finishing the (d) leg of the triangle. It will give more time for the end of year blow off top. Another reason I think this is because since the Christmas season is here, a lot of gyrations coming.

    http://www.screencast.com/users/Cerebro82/folders/Default/media/c2e1bf4f-3013-4287-92e6-437aa79cc735

    thoughts?
  • gregn
    Descending trendline from '07 now acting as support: http://screencast.com/t/Njg0Mjk4N
  • what's a little head.. fake between friends at GS?
  • gregn
    Hope so.. ;D
  • CorporalCarrot
    I think CNBC's discussion of Tiger getting beaten up by his wife is causing a small ramp here.
  • texpresso
    how good must that chick be in bed? RAHWR!
  • rocky
    lol. now u r hitting bang on target.this news is enough to screw all shorts in last 15 min,actually the tiger also shorted a lot in stock market jungle
  • gmak
    Well she is a Viking. lol. Just remember: No matter how gorgeous some chick appears, somewhere there is a guy who is tired of putting up with her shit.
  • classic
  • Gold_Gerb
  • gsavli
    lol :)))))
  • and the more you live the more you end up being that guy
  • gmak
    That is very deep. And extremely depressing. Time to take the Lithium, I think. :-)
  • it all depends on how you see things, but one thing I learned was that when they cross a certain line on your pacience, every time you think the worst part is behind you... they prove you wrong
  • gsavli
    news don't matter.
  • PRSGuitars
    Holy hell -- possible backtest of main TL on SPY:

    http://screencast.com/t/OWMzYjVkYT
  • PRSGuitars
    aaaand SPX Channel test: http://screencast.com/t/YjVkMmEwZj
  • gmak
    Guess you didn't read my post this AM. :-)

    There has indeed been a re-test today of the ULTRAVIOLET (your blue) trend line from March 2009. Right now, my SPX chart has the latest price just below the line.
  • PRSGuitars
    Great call! Sorry to re-hash -- got to my charts late but have LOVED that
    you provide an AM run-down for the group.

    Hats off, gmak! Such detail and complete with bloomy screens . . . sigh . .
    . excellent work. Glad to see you were on top of it!
  • gmak
    Are you kidding? I'm running out in front - but like in Pamploma (sp?) and the bulls are nasty (and not in a good way). lol.

    Love your charts, BTW. It's good to see you back!
  • Pamplona...
  • gmak
    Don't know how meaninful this cancelled offer will turn out to be - but it always starts in the credit markets. It just sometimes takes quite a while to get reflected in the equity markets.

    They are a broker and clearer by the way.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mf-global-cancels-250-million-10-year-bond-offering-due-market-conditions
  • goldpackers
    EW wise seems we need another high tomorrow at minimum. Turn due 12-1/2. Last turns were 11-16/17 and 11-23/24. Those were highs and thought this should be also. If it is a low, LOOK UP! 12-10/11 next turn. Had 1116.50 then 1142. Should have a trend move into 12-10/11.



  • Implosion
    "The market didn’t drop because of Dubai last week - the turning point was reached and the MSM was simply correlating to unrelated events."

    No way ES would have dropped as much as 40 handles on Thursday night (relative to Wednesday's close) if not for the news. You're crazy if you think it would have dropped 40 handles so quickly without a news event.
  • PRSGuitars
    http://screencast.com/t/ZjI1OTM3Y2Ut

    Drew the gold line on a whim -- drew red channel before we just broke down (height 240.58) and eyeballed the blue channel (height, almost exactly, 239.8). Weird how these patterns appear and then crack @ 3pm or some other time pivot.

    This is just wacky (not meaningful, just that the lines play as they do with comparable height). Still digesting.
  • Tronacate
    I was actually serious about that leading diagonal .....check out IYR
  • RELOAD PAGE!!
  • CorporalCarrot
    Don't know if this would make folks feel any better (probably not), but check out this $spx:$xeu chart.

    It really demonstrates what Obameithneranke is doing to your purchasing power in the US.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX:$XEU&p=D&yr=0&mn=0&dy=1&id=p02696418960&a=182749862
  • We know... have been posting variations on the theme in the past few weeks. It's almost a tick by tick correlation.
  • rocky
    shorting should be turned a non bailable offence
  • Scoops
    Been scaling into all sorts of shorts and spreads.

    Feelin lucky? AMZN Dec 125/120 Bear Spread for 30 cents. Max Rew=470.00

  • CorporalCarrot
    I feel the bulls will make one last push here today to try to take 10,500 / 1113. Would be surprised if they didn't tbh.
  • gsavli
    there's an error on my 1 min chart - a red candle, that measures almost one SPX point. have to call technical help to solve it.
  • I woiuld change yuor data provider immediately
  • CorporalCarrot
    I think I'm having a malfunction too. I seem to be 14 points in profit on that last Dow trade. Ah no wait, here its being corrected as I speak.
  • yeah - every short trade that made more than 1 DOW point has been canceled by CME, NYSE and BenHouse
  • rocky
    mkt will fix it up in last 15 min , dont worry
  • I'll give GS customer support a call - they'll remedy the situation in a jiffy.
  • gsavli
    Leave it, I think I can live with it.
  • CorporalCarrot
    :D
  • rocky
    bulls keep counting abc and get it right everytime, bears can only see just one last push everytime they see a chart.Diagonal triangles keep haunting them in night.Every morning a gap comes and we say ok fuk some fukin 3rd wave again ok a small consolidation and then last push up will finish it lets short it now , then in evening we say looks like one more 12345 is pending and it continues............alas !!
  • CorporalCarrot
    Added more Dow here at 10,496, Spx 1111.2 and FTSE 5,321.

    I appreciate this is probably crazy, and I'm exposing myself to the traditional EOD ramp job, but its the George Costanza principle.
  • PRSGuitars
    Costanza, Martingale, Occam, Murphy. All great minds in their own respect.
  • texpresso
    EWT worked shorting in a bear market, as did tea leaves and astrology
  • Howard Davidowitz latest thoughts on the Consumer and Shopping Season…
    “What Recovery?” According to Davidowitz, “The US consumer is struggling.” And keep in mind that what you measure in terms of sales matters. If sales are up .2% over a disastrous last year in terms of dollars, since the value of a dollar is DOWN approximately 15%, what does that tell you about what retail sales are really doing? In effect, people bought 15% FEWER goods and paid the same amount for them! Oooo, I’ve been fooled! Not.
  • Tronacate
    Did I say this looks like a leading diaganol....and we shiould drop soon?
  • PRSGuitars
    my standard take on prechter: http://screencast.com/t/MmY0YTk2NDct

    Short 1111.25 ES, not sure if i will scalp out or try to hang on. UVOL/DVOL looking like a standard ramp into the close so I'd prefer to be out before then, but it's hard not to take additional shorts here with a super tight stop.
  • Troops appreciated that bit of humor!
  • bshah
    Damn.. I could have been chartist too... Shit.. I should / could / would have used my knowledge before and could/would have made gazzilions... Fucking Pretcher preaching bs... and now PRS... All starts with P...
  • I hope Mole gave you an explicit permission
    to use his chart!
  • If only 5%of the chart is the original, can you claim rights to it ?!!!
  • thats some funny shit lol
  • gmak
    Yup. That's what I see when EW comes up on the radar. LoL.
  • Tom_27
    I agree with you. However, I think there is some value in EW. People just started to depend on it too much disregarding traditional TA.
  • gmak
    There is value in most TA for those who know how to use it. It was a joke.
  • I'm as sick of counting waves as you guys - corrective waves are bitch. However - don't throw out the baby with the bath water just yet - at some point order will be restored. But this market is all about screwing retail traders which is why I am increasingly shifting gears over here. More to come...
  • new film "wavespotting"

  • spotted for death
  • follow the story of 5 EWT addled brain young men as they fall deeper and deeper into their addiction

    and don't forget the soundtrack CD with hits like "born shorty" and "perfect ramp day"
  • Aye, for all the goot these wehv counts have doon meh ah might as well've stuck em up ma arse!

  • i think I did

    LOL

  • Tronacate
    Just spit drink out nose........
  • LOL :-)
  • PRSGuitars
    Glad it was taken appropriately -- i've used EW so many times to save my ass it's fair to roast it a little for those of us who don't see it as our MAIN indicator.

    As I said in the pic, too, more to cheer up the troops than anything. Im actually in awe of the entire concept -- very impressed as it is so intuitive it can be digested by nonfinanciers as well. So, though I may challenge the silliness of the patterns, they are widely employed by many successful traders. Can't really poke fun at that (but the 'ghost count', well, sometimes I wish that would just happen...).
  • The Smiths
    Hey Mole, Glad to see you are willing to see both sides of the trade and not be so blinded that you must short short short.


    Keep your blog alive I like reading it.
  • I have been pretty cautious about the entire affair - after all, what do I really know - market has a mind on its own. This is actually one of the few times I only put up one scenario - mostly because the count would be extremely irregular if we drop right here.
  • spudthorpe
    There's a count from http://marketthoughtsandanalysis.blogspot.com/ that has today's action finishing an X wave as part of a double zigzag down from the mid-November highs. It calls for a sharp drop right away.

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OpWmYZm7O8I/SxVr5akmCNI/AAAAAAAABTM/8G14oalfCJI/s1600/0binve-001-201.png

    Right, wrong, who knows, but it does seem like a valid (and not particularly strained) EW count.
  • They might push this up to the 50% fib 1120ish (I forget where it is exactly), but this is the optimal shorting place right now too. So I'm buying puts.

    We have a gap to fill from this morning and all gaps are eventually filled.
  • PRSGuitars
    Great point and for those with capitalization or good risk management, this is the time to pull the trigger. (there will be more times, I suspect)
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