See, Speak, Hear No Evil

Of course not this blog – we are as evil as ever – my reference relates to the majority of market participants who continue to see, speak, and hear no evil. And they’re not the only ones:

As you can tell I’m the handsome one :-)

Mole can’t even watch this tape anymore – Gmak is holding his tongue (kind of of), and CD is running on cruise-control as he enjoys watching a legion of traders compete for first place to jump off the cliff.

We remain locked in aslow death march – reminds me of those those doomed German soldiers in 1943 getting bogged down by Mother Russia’s unrelenting winter. Gee – who would have thought that those polar like conditions might kill them off? But once a people decide to embark on lofty goals it’s a bit like turning the Titanic away from an iceberg – big ocean liners as well as investor sentiment locked in a bullish frenzy don’t turn on a dime. As ugly as this expanding triangle is – the bulltards have 1140 firm in their sight and refuse to give up – no matter how often they get slapped in the face.

Of course what usually happens after the blow off top following an expanding triangle is another story. From our bible a quick excerpt for the noobs:

A triangle always occurs in a position prior to the final actionary wave in the pattern of one larger degree, i.e., as wave four in an impulse, wave B in an A-B-C, or the final X in a double or triple zigzag or combination.

So, I guess we’re destined to storm hamburger hill – no problem – I can wait. Actually, I can’t wait ;-)

Meanwhile it’s been bear hunting season for ole’ bucky. That’s a nice squeeze right there but we’ve pushed up quite a bit and it’s time for a retracement. So, let’s consult our tea leafs courtesy of 2sweeties over at retracementlevel.com.

As usual I start with the odds and 77.69 lines up with resistance going back to December 08 as well as April 09 – good enough for me – those are some good odds for setting my 100% mark. As you can see 77 only reduces down to 83% and then there’s the 76.67 mark with 68% – barely a dime away.

The frequency chart has changed – we already passed the big one at 76.43 and the next three starting right now almost have identical frequency – so I’d stick with the odds, which are again 68% right here and 83% at 77, assuming we go that far.

What’s of course intriguing about today’s Dollar tape is that equities seem utterly unimpressed and are traversing their way higher (dip buyers are already streaming in despite the quick shake out two hours ago). The inverse correlation between ole’ bucky and equities has slowly been weakening and if you think that’s a bullish signal then I have some beach front property in Arizona I’d love to sell you.

This entry was posted on Friday, December 11th, 2009 at 1:40 pm and is filed under Currencies, Elliott Wave Theory, Market Outlook, Retracement Levels. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

  • gsavli
    How do you post a picture here?
  • PRSGuitars
    Jing/Screencast is also a good program (and free)
  • upload to ... (e.g. uploadgeek.com)

    post the link

    p.s. there's a new thread open
  • until the bears give up we can't see significant down
  • That is, nobody is talking about shorts for at least a week here or on any blog ?? LOL
    The percentage of bears is at a multimonth (years?) low. Everybody is expekting a christmas rally.
    Everybody was upset on friday close telling that this "f*cking market goes up forever".
    One more push will be enough to wipe out some more bears accounts and then it is enough....
  • i'll return during weekend BUT could someone add a tied monkey and write "SSH stay down and do no evil!"?
  • fast996
    I thought I would give the latest thoughts on the broadening top formation. The top was validated with the lower close on Wednesday. The most important point is the drop came on heavy volume.

    today was important because neither the Dow and the SPX bettered their respective highs.

    The rally off the lows was on light volume and high trin values. It also has taken the form of a large abc zig-zag with the c wave taking the form of a EDT. It is classically known as the "p" rally, p is for phony.

    Look for a break in Sunday nights session and a large lower opening....there's a black swan lurking somewhere.

    Fast

  • fast996
    Also I might add that the P rally commonly retraces about 66 pct of the drop. Todays SPX high of 1108.50 came within a percent of that experience.

    Let the shit hit the fan.
  • amokta
    According to our saviour, Precheter, (or is it Hochberg for the EWI STU?), the djia has done its expanding bit, and most likely there will be a push up towards 10500. Also dollar will do a mini-2 down, but ultimately on its way up longterm

    also topstep: "Rollover Rollover Rollover"Todays Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoitGFcnq38 - what does this show (right now i am on mobile broadband, so cant down load video without using up to many bits)
  • Offtimer
    This tape date should be for 12/11/2009.
  • Gold_Gerb
    My fellow rodents, i appreciate many of the insights you all contribute.
    none of them yet profitable to me. mu-wahahaha.

    I follow the harmonics cycle thing a little bit.
    The SPY has a full harmonic of 9 days.
    Given that 23 days have past, a completion of day 27 would be the time for an event.
    4 days from now is what? that's right the day after New Moon.

    I can't believe it, I guess I'm falling into the lunacy (err lunar) camp next week.
  • Macrawn
    I don't know about that stuff but the charts look like they are squeezed so we should get a direction in the next couple of day.
  • I take the lack of a bearish alternative count being presented as a sign that a time for correction is here :)
  • Yeah - you guys have been saying that for two weeks now ;-)
  • Well, you've done your part to encourage the correction by omitting a bearish count *and* posting long ideas. I'm pretty sure things won't come down until Lester sells the last of his $VIX calls.
  • Yupp, all my fault - Mole runs the market after all - LOL
  • PRSGuitars
    And for anyone looking for a little EUR overnight review, here are some screencaps I've put together over the last month or two of a few setups. Nothing is organized, so, sorry. But if you want to see some setups develop, look at how EUR does over the 2-4am EST with regard to moving averages, VWAP, and BBs on a 15min (20sma setting).

    Most of these are 1min charts, some are 5min -- watch for the difference in the two with regard to my MAs (the MAs are the same, but the 100 sma on the 1min IS the 20 sma on the 5min, and the 100 sma on the 5min is, naturally, its own new moving average on the 5min chart...).
    Remember - most are 1min charts, some are 5min!
    Yellow: 20 sma
    Purple: 50 sma
    Cyan/Blue: 100 sma (aka the 5min, 20sma - crucial moving average for trend)
    Salmon/Pink: 240 sma (aka the 5min, 50sma - also crucial moving average for overnight)

    I have this setup so that on a 1min I can see the 5min 20/50 sma -- they control the short term EUR movements. On the 5min, I really only watch the 20 and 50 (yellow and purple) but the longer term ones (100 and 240) occasionally come into play as in Screenshot #4.

    http://screencast.com/t/OGFkNGY0ZWMt
    http://screencast.com/t/OWU4YTE0MmMt
    http://screencast.com/t/YjMwNjUxMWE
    http://screencast.com/t/MTdiYzM5MG
    http://screencast.com/t/MDdiNDU5Mm

    Thoughts? commentary? questions?
  • john_matrix
    Great post Mole
  • Aaah - finally this week is over. Great weekend everybody! :-)
  • AudioTactics
    Hey Mole,

    Thanks for the post...

    Not sure I understood the end of it too well though...

    Are you saying that the de-linkage of stocks with the USD is a bearish omen?

    I think you've made that point before but I just want to be sure and I'm curious what the reasoning behind it is...

    TIA and have a good week-end! ;)
  • Most of this rally has been fueled by the Dollar carry trade. If that's coming to an end - and there's a big IF - then that's bearish. There's still the chance that the Dollar is going to shit again next week - would not be the first time we have been fooled. I'm cautious with any predictions these days - never seen tape this scary in my career.
  • The amount of complacency in the markets is what is scaring me. With all of the debt / default decisions being made over the weekend, we either gap up and set a new high on Monday ("everything is okay") or we gap down and have a Black Monday as alphahorn posits in his blog ("whoops? did some one really default? can that still happen?!"). I think that equities could catch up to oil/inverse of dollar/gold in a big way.
  • AudioTactics
    Cheers M...

    Just curious how the US equity rally has been fueled by the Dollar carry trade. I suppose you could say that as the USD has been sold via the carry trade, US multi-nationals have seen their profits & exports increase but that does not explain why small-caps have rallied too.

    How would you explain the relationship between the carry trade and US equities?

    TIA
  • Macrawn
    I think it's a mistake to think the dollar carry trade is the entire fuel for this rally. We saw improvement in a lot of market fundamentals last quarter. The market would have completely tanked without that even as the dollar weakened. In the early stages of this rally the dollar was a bigger factor but I think that diminishes from here on out. The last quarter earnings added the juice we have seen the past month. If we get any signs the economy is weakening next quarter the market will correct downward despite a weakening dollar.

    Also, I think if the dollar goes up, the market will also inch up into year's end.



  • AudioTactics
    I agree with you which is why I'm trying to understand Mole's logic...

    I think it is naive to say that the carry trade has fueled the rally.
  • Schwerepunkt
    The carry trade has fueled this rally via big financial institutions and even governments borrowing low interest dollars and then buying stocks, treasuries or commodities. Pretty simple. You might want to google "dollar carry trade."
  • AudioTactics
    Actually, the carry trade does not involve equities at all which is why I posed the question in the first place...

    A carry involves borrowing in a low interest rate environment and lending in a high interest rate environment. It has nothing to do with stocks.

    Maybe you should google it? ;)
  • gsavli
    Most of action has actually been happening overnight with futures. Cheaper way to pump the market with low volume.
  • Marc45
    I have a couple of comments.
    First, I'm thinking there are far too many folks looking at EW, resistance levels and history. They are part of the wall of worry which the market is climbing.
    Second, the disconnect with the USD is probably a symptom of the retail investor putting money back in the market, the "dumb" money if you will. The smart money has been quietly exiting and this pressure has kept the market from making new highs.
    The result is always a correction. Smart money does not become dumb money in hindsight. Smart money exiting the market ALWAYS results in a correction and the longer the retail guy keeps things afloat the deeper the correction will be.
  • i know it's asinine to do charting on big board volume but..
    $UVOL-$DVOL is soooo calling a gap down and trend day down for monday...

    http://screencast.com/t/N2EyMTdjM
  • Schwerepunkt
    Will this be a Emirates, Ireland, Italian, Greek or Spanish weekend? Could be a nasty surprise by Sunday, but that kind of speculation could also be dangerous. Better to wait and see what shakes.
  • K.I.M.
    nice weekend and dreaming to all :)
  • K.I.M.
    is that possible h&s on amzn, or I'm just dreaming

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42905134@N08/4176753927/sizes/o/


  • Nightwind
    Be careful shorting high beta stocks. AMZN still owes me money from 1999
  • PRSGuitars
    Ok, folks, here's my take on the 133 Extension. Rough Draft. Sorry this is so abstract...

    ---------

    As you may know, the 133 extension is a 133% channel extension whenever an established channel breaks out or down, providing a reversal target of sorts should the breakout or down fail.

    It involves taking the established channel -- aka 0 to 100% -- and extending it to 133.3% to establish a new outer channel line within which the breakout or down must be contained.

    ---------

    Simply put, I think the 133% extension is from the future. Sort of. Trust me!

    Imagine seeing a channel cut into its quadrant slices -- the 0 and 100% line encompass the channel and 25, 50, and 75 slice up the middle into four slices of 25% each.

    Now imagine a 133.3% extension of that channel. Now, there's those same four quarters plus this ugly 33.3% third portion.

    Mentally re-divide that 133.3% into 33.3% subsections (four, to be exact). Now you have, again, five lines dividing four subsections of 25% each (except that's objectively; speaking RELATIVELY, you'd have four subsections of 33.3% each…). That's right -- you would have (say it with me) a 0% line, a 33.3% line, a 66.6% line, a 99.9% line (let's just call that 100%) and a 133.3% line, IN THE TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL CHANNEL.

    Here's where the future comes into play. Imagine you were FutureYou and you walked into a room with your charts and saw the old you drawing the 'established' channel (the one that OldYou will 133.3% extend to produce some magical awesome precise target at which you, FutureYou, KNOW the market will reverse… you know, being from the future and all, you've seen the whole channel whereas OldYou has no idea where the channel ends or if it 133s, or breaks beyond that, etc.).

    So, OldYou is drawing the 0 to 100% line of the established channel. He's going to 133 it and find a target at which the market WILL reverse. You know this, being FutureYou -- but when you show up, in the future, aka AFTER the market has bottomed out, you would just draw the entire channel as though it were one big thing (not a 100% sub-channel that 133's to the very extent of the move). In other words, you wouldn't have seen the 133 develop -- FutureYou would call 0 to 100% 'the whole move' instead of OldYou's 0 to 100% which is 'only 75% of the move'.

    In short, OldYou's 133 = FutureYou's 100.

    http://www.screencast.com/t/NjRiNDMyM

    Thus we see that FutureYou is really just observing OldYou's "established channel breakout or breakdown" from a different perspective. He's seeing it after it unfolds, and this changes his approach: whereas OldYou would say, "my god, the channel broke down and then hit its 133 and reversed; the channel held" -- FutureYou would say, "oh, the 75% line gave way finally to the 100% line where it hit parallel to the top line and reversed; the channel held".

    SO! To recap: the 133 allows OldYou to FIND OUT WHAT THE CHANNEL MIGHT DO BEFORE IT DOES IT. FutureYou, however, is looking at things from the market's perspective. I know this is a little Schroedinger's Cat, but consider that the market knows what the market will do before it does it, and similarly, FutureYou (who walks in later on and sees the market, after "the move" (whatever that is) has happened with the 133, and only observes 'a channel' as he's ignorant of the 133 extension of a previous channel… he just sees 0 to 100% and thats it) acts as though the market was headed for that 100% target line (aka OldYou's 133% extension) the whole time.

    Since we cannot be FutureYou -- we cannot walk in later and retroactively trade the move -- we must be OldYou and watch as the trade develops, using the 133 as a targeting tool.

    Similarly, though, we must consider that THE MARKET SHOULD ACT AS THOUGH IT IS BREAKING A 75% line and NOT a 100% line when it breaks OldYou's 100% line channel (to begin its way towards the 133% extension, aka, FutureYou's 100% line). This is because the market KNOWS what its going to do even before it does it -- its self-fulfilling (every setup it arrives at was, duh, put in place by its OWN previous action), sure -- but we should try to understand the market from the perspective that IT IS DOING ITS OWN THING.

    Thus… I agree that we should contemplate the market from a reverse engineering standpoint: we should think about these 133 extensions as quadrant-divided still (0, 33, 66, 100, 133 dividing lines) and thus, the same as a 0, 25, 50, 75, 100 channel (seeing as the 133 nomenclature is basing it off of a standard, original '100' channel as the control). Therefore, the 133 occurs because the market -- knowing that IT WILL REVERSE at this given 133 (for arguments sake), treats it like it would any other 100% level -- if you KNEW it was the 100% level of a channel, it would take its sweet time bottoming out before reversing (as the market is prone to do)… thus, the market is not 'breaking out of a channel and towards its 133 target', the market is, IF the 133 is to hold, in effect, 'moving towards its 100% line of the channel', as if it IS going to hold, the 133 is really just a 100% level of the larger channel.

    Therefore the 133 is a predictive test -- if the market responds by respecting the 133, then you know you're onto the real channel proper (as you've got the parallel lines set up, now its a matter of finding the spacing and relationships of the parallel channel(s) now). If the market blasts the 133, then you're wrong and the channel wasn't meant to be.

    I know that's self-fulfilling, but THATS MY POINT! This damn 133 extension is from the future!

    It (along with other fibonacci-related projection tools) shows whether or not the market is "playing nice" with what FutureYou would later see as "the channel" (and OldYou is fussing over whether or not its a 133 or not -- silly OldYou, just set your stop outside the 133 level and let it go… as long as the slope is in your favor, aka, not contra-your-trade so as to have your stop sliding away from you…).

    Simply put: if the 133 is appearing to hold, that's the market cueing you that it'll play nice and likely reverse (as the Market, being omniscient, only solidly reverses when there's reason to do so -- aka, IF YOUR 133 REALLY IS REVERSE WORTHY, THE MARKET WILL TREAT IT LIKE ITS A 100% LINE -- BECAUSE IT IS!). It works because the market MUST declare itself to participants to find direction -- and if it declares that your 133 is solid, that is a good way of assuming that IF YOU HAVE ALREADY FOUND A CHANNEL (0 to 100% for OldYou), you are already very close to finding the 133 or other relationship extension to show how the market wants to react (containment or breakout/breakdown).

    Man, I feel like I completely failed to explain that well enough. Thoughts?
  • Left early, didn't open this till I woke up, 2 comments

    1.whatever you're having it's better than Jimmy hendrix and acids (smal RBW joke) I want some for when I'm a squirell in central park (small RAW joke, identifying the joke carries a 1 ton of flax bonus)

    2. 1.33 being so close to 1.309 one could defend that i's a simple fib transformation from 1 to 1.618 where you only notice one side of the new channel (and small overthrows do the rest)

  • Macrawn
    Anyone ever see the movie Primer? You must watch that movie before you can fully understand what PRSGuitars is saying.

    What I'm getting is that a lot of false breakout reverse on the 133 extension?

    So I no longer have to go back in time sedate the old me, put the old me in the attic, assume the old me's identity, enter stock orders, get rich, carefully replay the old me's every actions so as to not change the future, procure the old me's passport and leave the country with all my coin, and let the old me resume his life?
  • That post just blew my mind - reaching for a bottle of Jaegermeister...

    Actually - I have a simple solution - just draw the channel where it's going to go in the future - and you're done ;-)
  • PRSGuitars
    hahah! just saw your addition -- I will do that from now on and post it early just pre-Gmak's post... be like that old tv show (old = 90s, lol, Im 23) Early Edition with the (now Coach Taylor) actor on friday night lights

    you'll have targets every day -- until GS hires me for stealing their plan...
  • PRSGuitars
    lol, drink up buddy. I'm on the other end of the glass (pipe, actually) --
    never heard back from you about posting about my 133 nonsense (don't worry,
    I'll do it elsewhere if you're not trying to turn this into guest content
    central) in a comprehensive and easily digestible manner. Actually come to
    think of it, nor about that time-scoring theory I think Berk might've
    forwarded to you...

    I can resend if you need me to, it was another very abstract method of
    interpreting how some 1min bars are hierarchically organized for the
    daytrader/intraday trader. I think it could even be implemented with
    something like evil.rat to know when to stack positions and when to lean
    gently... Just let me know if you know what Im talking about or what. I'm
    around this evening for a bit before going out.
  • sloth_bear
    Hehe, you definitely merit your monkey face next to gmak mole & CD!
    But I think that calling it a 100% or a 133% channel is not the point (but maybe I didn't understand everything ;-))
    The real strength for me is to have a second line of attack/defense when a channel break, well that's how I use it :-)
    Thank you very much to share your discoveries!
    And I must admit that the frequency of EXACT 133% extensions is quite disturbing!
  • PRSGuitars
    Absolutely, the whole conceptual thing was just mental masturbation. You
    use it properly! That counts for quite a bit -- it is a quick and dirty
    channel 'fakeout' detector if you can handle a 33% extension on either side
    for throwover. I often couldnt figure out how people set stops above key
    points without knowing they'd get plunged -- so this is my solution for
    guestimating what's an acceptable amount of leeway for a channel 'breakout'.
  • Macrawn
    Basically you would not go long or short until a solid breach of the 133 extension? Or play a reversal on a rejection of the breakout at that line as well?
  • PRSGuitars
    Typical setup:

    Example (from September FOMC madness):
    Part 1: http://screencast.com/t/Q3yzJOsVZpM
    Part 2: http://screencast.com/t/7cE6dZuiPK5

    <http: 7ce6dzuipk5="" screencast.com="" t="">I am an aggressive bear because when I
    sense weakness, I know it will be short-lived before gravity takes its toll
    again on the market (well, I THOUGHT I knew that's how it SHOULD have
    gone...). I'm usually getting 25-30% short near the top of the 'initial'
    channel, aka, the 100% line break. I know that the 133% should hold, if I'm
    sticking with a fade-it/counter-trend play, so I can add all the way up to
    the 133% extension.

    This is very useful, as normally I'd be setting my stop 2-5 cents above the
    channel like every other schmo out there, just ASKING to get my stops swept
    as a 'weak hand' in the market. You want to have some leeway, right? Let
    things swing out and exhaust themselves and, if you really believe in the
    falseness of the channel breakout, then this gives you 33% of the channel's
    height as space to scale into a counter-breakout position, instead of the
    distance between your entry, the 100% level of the channel (wherever that
    is), and your 2-5 cent (ahhh, I don't want to put my stops right at the
    breakout level, wahhh, I'll add a little wiggle room) type of leeway ---
    which is USUALLY much more prone to getting plunged by a stop run.

    Say, if the original channel barely breaks out and then fails, well, in my
    strategy, you'd have a 25-30% position size short with no chance of getting
    plunged but a guarantee you won't be fully scaled in if the market drops
    from the 100% level (not the 133%, note)... on the other hand, if you just
    traded without a 133, you'd be 75-90% position size short at the 100% level
    of the channel, hoping it doesnt pop up and out and take you out of the
    trade. Sure, if it drops calmly with no spiking and no overthrow, then
    you'll bank on the full position size short -- however, theres risk of
    getting stopped out AND it still being the right trade (which, after getting
    stopped, you will no longer be participating in!). Double whammy.

    I would focus on the 133 because its defensive and predictive still -- gives
    you more room to assume the worst and trains you to scale in small, as there
    is perennially 'overthrow' in the market at large, and we should do our best
    to stomach it.</http:>
  • Macrawn
    Nice bit of work you are putting together. Maybe you can do some back testing and get some stats. You can call your system the head fake profitizer.
  • Tom_27
    Thanks a lot for sharing, mate.
  • Schwerepunkt
    No offense, but yours is too conspiratorial an explanation. I prefer the Gann explanation offered by another poster, which is essentially a mathematical/geometric argument. I don't like thinking about the market like it was a sentient voodoo doll. Too freaky for me. What matters is that your method seems to work.
  • PRSGuitars
    lol! I absolutely understand.

    It's funny because when I developed this, I was doing it by -- like
    Hindyomen said -- taking a 75% line of the NEW channel and making it match
    with the 100% line of the OLD channel. Voila! Instant 133% extension...

    The issue is that I am seeking why the 133 exists and appears so frequently
    -- there may be something to the next natural extension being 33% -- but it
    seems too much of a round number to be that obvious... I think the concept
    of reverse-engineering the 133 to produce a 100% line that reduces to a 75%
    line (aka the 100% line of the original channel) is the easiest way to
    consider what a 133 is.

    HOWEVER: this is why I went to the trouble of producing my huge diatribe on
    why this might work--

    WE DONT KNOW ABOUT THE ORIGINAL 100 OR 133 OR WHATEVER -- WE ARE WATCHING IN
    REAL TIME! So it's a factor of finding it as it happens instead of
    reverse-engineering it mentally to see it as 75% of a channel that THEN
    breaks out or breaks down to the last 25%, for a full 100%...or in other
    words, the 75% FutureYou sees is the 100% of the old, original channel, and
    the last 25% is the 33% extension, which is to 33/133 = .25.

    But FutureYou would just see the new 100% line (and hardly even dissect it
    to quadrants before moving on, as price has seemingly bounced, showing the
    133% is in fact, most likely, a true 100% line of its own...).

    As we are "OldYou", we'd need to think about how the market is likely just
    tracing out a 100% fulfillment pattern (it's not like, 'oh, man, I should
    EXTEND now and go past where I wanted to go'...its ALWAYS in a state of
    "doing what the market should do", because, well, it's the market! it can't
    be wrong...). Thus, our 133s, while useful, really only lead us to where
    the market feels a key reversal zone -- or a 'true 100% line' -- is.
  • thank you.
    but my gann explanation is also quite conspiratorial, only because i know that goldman's technical analysis folks follow gann religiously. (:
  • Gold_Gerb
    honest, i read it all. time for a video.
    time for me to try my hand at poker.
  • yo dawg,
    i heard you like 33% extensions
    so i put a 33% extension on your 33% extension
    so you can find your true channel while you find your true channel.

    nicely argued, prsguitars
  • TWD
    ok, i facking laughed. nice one.
  • elliott_surfs
    anyone watching BAC?
  • See you guys tomorrow; traveling home now today.
    Hopefully RINO again a beast.
    To reiterate, if it jams up strong, I'll trade out, but if it works its way higher i'll let it breath and prove itself.

    Chow
  • Nightwind
    Have a good weekend
  • Schwerepunkt
    End of day Eurection.
  • Mnnnh? All I can see is a textbook bear flag..
  • Schwerepunkt
    could be a bear flag, but after the big drop in Euro today, it might be the start of something else. I was just pointing out how they can do amazing things in the last few minutes of trade.

    Edit: I had my time axis a little narrow. That last little jump in the Euro was only 11-pips. Seemed much more than that! Still, it could retrace quite a bit and still remain in the recent downtrend so I would be careful shorting it or equities.
  • Nightwind
    Out of TNA
  • i want a big red candle now
  • you got to talk to Katzo7
  • UGH i hate this market.
    forced to cover a good chunk of my shorts.
    charts look ST bullish
  • Shorting SPG now, 76.7, gift price, I can't believe I get to do this one again.
  • Gold_Gerb
    i take no credit, absolutely. ;-)

    Keep'em coming - pretty pictures.
    FYI - http://ta.mql4.com/linestudies/gann_grid
  • gsavli
    According to lower indicators, we are going through a 2nd daily correction right now. Who would've thought, eh....
  • gsavli
    Oh, and it's probably going to be finished in half an hour or so. And we know, what follows then...
  • Nightwind
    dollar weakening
  • You can tell when it's gone back into melt mode as the zero dies - it's uncanny
  • PRSGuitars
    Think you missed one:

    edit sorry, screencast sucks
  • i think i solved the mystery of 133
  • PRSGuitars
    ...? I have an explanation for it too, I just came up with it, though, and
    its rather lengthy. What's your take?
  • what was your thinking behind it?
  • PRSGuitars
    just posted
  • PRSGuitars
    typing it up now, but you are on the right track -- the 75% matching line idea is how i do my synthetic extensions in like, Prophet (a platform that doesnt allow for customization of line levels). I am also working from a standpoint of reverse engineering it -- itll be ready in 5min. Sorry for the delay, its wordy...
  • Gold_Gerb
    hurrry! 9 min to close! (JK).
  • here's my explanation of 133

    * a lot of technical traders and prop desks (for example, goldman) use gann lines
    * when you draw price channels to be compatible with gann, your retracement levels are 50% (half way back) and 25% / 75% (hwb of hwb).
    * when you exceed your topmost gann line, rather than a 23% extension, you draw a 33% extension because your old trendline then becomes a 75% trendline.
    * TO SUMMARIZE: 33% EXTENSION is simply making the old trendline a 75% trendline. this preserves integrity of the gann lines.

    http://screencast.com/t/NTIzZGFiY
  • don't we have time? start writing yours as well ;-)
  • and?
  • Please share.
  • talking of sharing... what do you think of the cristal nut?
  • Gold_Gerb
  • Say what?
  • Crazy hamster is here and my cristal nut shows something for next week

    SPX heading for 1070 as Gold is doing a retracement to 1175

    and then? gold falls to 1030 and spx slides to 1030 as well

    then gold rises to 1500 and spx to 1200 and then both can slide, gold to 1100, spx to 700

    crazy hamster
  • gmak
    Yeah well we're gonna put your cristal nut in a vice against it not happening. :-)
    I don't see as quite a large dip before some rally (a smaller one at that). Time frame?
  • 1 to 2 weeks for first event (till Xmas more or less)
    1 and a half month for second event (top in probably in february)
    event 3 can last til august, but I don't give much for w5 down so I'd probably take the april w3 bottom

    and leave my nuts out of the vice (but not out of vice)
  • Schwerepunkt
    Slow motion.
  • Me_XMan
    This is probably the longest holding line this year.
    Just won't crap down or rocket up.
    What's market waiting for?
  • Gold_Gerb
    ..all I know is this: the longer a line goes sideways, the great the release when it finally moves.
  • Wave_Surfer
    Very True!

    In some ways this reminds me of the first 3 months of 2000. Although Nasdaq started to go down. DJ, after an initial dip came back up and went sidewise for several months before joining Nasdaq in a wave 3 down.

    It was, I think, a 3 month + divergence, where Nasdaq was lower but DJ really wasn't.
  • Gold_Gerb
    my lord, someone agrees with me?
    I must be doing something wrong.
    be careful of head fakes, i've seen SPY moves last an hour plus, then jump back right in line.
    fortunately, this chop zone is more like fantasy reversal island, they just don't stop!!
  • much better looking gerbil

    did you see my answer to mole and timing to gmak?
  • Gold_Gerb
    yep.
    but it's hard to follow you rants without pictures.
  • gerbil.... take a paper, a pencil and a ruller

    draw 2 axis,
    place the points (and for you divide them and do spx:gold as well)
    connect the dots (half a dozen for each, spx, gold, spx:gold)

    don't worry about details
  • Gold_Gerb
    yes, Master Nut.

    GLD 105 by new Moon eve, unless reversal occurrs. sir!
  • OBEY THE NUT
  • fuw
    Mole, forgive what might be stupid question, but what are you basing the 1140 number on? EWT, symmetry, resistance areas or something else?
  • see no evil, hear no evil...
    lots of ...us...remind me of that
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3SpyVcsxAI
  • lot's of us or lots of US(A) remind you of that?
  • do you think you can hang out with the wrong crowd and still be "them"?
  • yes, but there peer pressure doesn't have the same effect on all brain configurations...
  • PRSGuitars
    HELLO -- I JUST SAID:::

    Ok, just noticed UUP Mar 23 calls 340k traded against 100k OI...

    http://screencast.com/t/NWU3Nzc3Mz


    Does this not elicit some response? haha...
  • Wasn't there a similar trade made a month ago in advance of UUP issuing new shares?
  • PRSGuitars
    Yes there was, but not this size, i think -- this is larger (the other one
    was 70-100k i think)
  • gmak
    I guess it depends on the reason the calls were bought. I suspect it might be to hedge a large short exposure. In which case it is not as meaninful as say a naked purchase (speculation).

    But VERY very very good catch.

    I think we are all a little punch-drunk after the last week and people aren't paying attention as much to what is being posted. If you go away for a while, sometimes it's too much to read through all the messages below.
  • PRSGuitars
    If it were a straight trade i suspect there would be a sizeable pair for
    that (spread, but there isnt...)

    I think its a hedge bc its just OTM and huge, so it seems too skittish to be
    a directional trade

    It does, however, have another large OI just further OTM from it, so
    speculation may be playing its role.

    Thanks for all you do gmak -- morning posts are awesome.
  • centerline
    Realistically, that is cheap insurance amid trouble waters. Most likely a big fund protecting profits.
  • did see, yes. what's your take - vampire squid action?
  • PRSGuitars
    I have heard that the goldman boys were getting long the DX with a 4yr time
    horizon (this was 2yrs ago). Wouldnt surprise me but also could be a
    reaction to people short the DX in a big way worried about this snowballing
    on them -- they need protection now... so large fund?
  • centerline
    only words are: holy crap.
  • PRSGuitars
    thank you!
  • PRSGuitars
    Ok, just noticed UUP Mar 23 calls 340k traded against 100k OI...

    http://screencast.com/t/NWU3Nzc3Mz
  • Nightwind
    We're only 13 pts away from old high on spx
  • cramar
    Everything I've seen in the last several weeks has the look of corrective waves. Therefore I must assume that when the correction is over, the market will go off in its trend direction which is up. Santa Claus rally? Then it tanks at end of Dec. or beginning of Jan. like many times in the past? Highly likely, me thinks!
  • gsavli
    bearish crossover on MACD on 5 min right now.
  • bearfail
  • gsavli
    anoying tape. spy up 0.43%, comp flat or slightly down, with NQ negative.
  • dark cloud cover / 2:30 reversal potential
  • on the plus/bearish side, we just got a new high tick so hopefully we'll get some sellers when TICK goes below 0
  • roscoe_casita
    Fear factor is nil (and i'm hurting for it), equities ALWAYS go up!
  • yup. we're sitting on 20ma/5min, 50ma/5min, 10ma/15min, and 20ma/15min.. a real nailbiter
  • PRSGuitars
    Mole -- i'll give it to you straight as I know you approve of that direct communication style:

    the above post references the dollar primarily, which at the moment, THOUGH it drove the rally higher, isn't affecting equities much -- this is a bad sign. It seems like real improvement in the dollar based on improving data (but who knows, might just be a flight to quality, too, or safety, that is, currency-wise).

    I did trade the fx market this morning for many hours and yes, the DX is crucial to the EUR/USD (mega-duh), but its no longer affecting equities as much. Until tht relationship is restored, I don't have much to say about the dollar.

    Im also not trading DX straight, so, its easier to ignore. My apologies... (seriously)

    Like I said the other day, we all have our areas of expertise. You should focus on the fact that I and many others have been here since 4-5 am posting all sorts of stuff (i personally have posted five separate 133s for your viewing pleasure) in whatever manner we can. No stress about when or who comments what on whoever's post... its not personal.

    Im getting tired so i'm posting less, but that's nothing to do with the post itself... thats just me. Also its lunchtime?
  • http://screencast.com/t/ODU3Yzcx

    here's a chart that i've been posting to xT for a while:
    SPX+25 times DX. it's shown the SPX/DX correlation perfectly between aug and 3 days ago. unfortunately we just broke above that channel. we have a bit further of the dollar and spx going up together, unfortunately.
  • centerline
    Great chart. Textbook channel and breakout. Almost never that clean.
  • omelette
    in the past the correlation broke and the dollar rose with the spx before then falling with it:

    http://www.screencast.com/t/ODNkMzY3NTgt

    So a drop in the dollar might well happen along with a drop in equities..so i wouldn't call it a bad sign..yet.
  • centerline
    What if the dollar correlation is in fact working, but money flows from the bond market (which is tanking) are masking it?

  • PRSGuitars
    Volume is super light and everything seeing negative money flows so far...
    so the big money is still on its way out, so... bond mkt might have
    something to do, but i would suspect a bond flight prop would be on higher
    volume than this (just my gut feeling)
  • centerline
    great point on the volume. with the action in bonds, one would think there would be more volume. Trying to cash potential cash flows lately is just impossible. This is definately no-mans-land.
  • anything is possible, but my bet is that 1140 will not be seen soon. 1119 is the high print before a serious retrace. the reason being that 1119 is the full 50% retrace of the bear market

    you may ask, isn't it 1126? well, many technicians, including adam from marketclub, anchor their fibs on weekly closing levels. that makes 1119 the full 50% level that we had a sharp pivot reversal off of that number. plus, the weekly macd on SPX is close to getting a bearish touch today with an unconfirmed mMm momentum pattern. i think we need to retrace back to 1015 before we attempt 1223 (or initiate the apocalypse)
  • anotherone
    Mole, my opinion counts for squat, but what I'm seeing is a very compressed BB on the SPY, which says to me that the market is evenly balanced between buyers and sellers. The bull/bear sentiment is heavily bullish, so most people are holding onto long positions. The market won't drop because too many people are expecting it to, so they aren't going to sell at this level. Some event is going to trigger a move, probably in the up direction. If so, the remaining bears are going to be forced, either psychologically or by margin call to close their positions into the hands the greedy bulls who won't want to miss out on the rally. And then the deluge.
  • PRSGuitars
    Credit to Sloth Bear for this 133 madness:

    SPX lower 133 -- might be headed higher (aw shit!)
    http://screencast.com/t/YzQzZDdkYzQ

    NICE FIND, you lackadaisical ursine!
  • BigIslandLife
    PRS, we have not gone over 1109ish on spx, bar count 27 must not go over bar count 25 for the domed house to play out correctly, keep your eyes on that and then if we start a drop it could be count 28 the plunge bars
  • Okay, what's going on here - as soon as I post everyone walks away. 8 comments in 40 minutes? Come on guys - someone must have an opinion on the above...
  • was sleeping boss, but I disagree with hamburger hill on 1140

    this is more of a first case http://www.fxtrek.com/glossary/content.asp?item...)

    with gold on 1110 and spx:gold doing a w4 of 5 down as done at 0.99 I favor 1119 spx as reversal

    I say we do it at EOD to screw the most bulls and head down 10% in real terms

    BUT, we might have a nominal higher high on W2

    BTW nice place to start loading GOLD or 2Xlong gold as edge for shorts, it's heading to 1030 BUT won't if they try to do a nominal SPX push

    my 2 grams

    EDIT what am I saying? the top, w5 was your green d, this is a wave 2 LOL... no new top soon
  • Nightwind
    Mole, the dollar retrace levels are REALLY NICE. My guess is that P3 will evade TA & EW, but will be obvious in the rear-view mirror. My guess is that P3 will begin over a weekend trapping a ton of bulls on a Monday w/ everyone trying to squeeze thru the exit door.
  • marcopolo101520
    maybe this weekend with Dubai on tap for Monday and recent issues with Ukraine. Something has to give soon, Ukraine, Latvia, Greece, Dubai, Abu Dabi....
  • centerline
    Unfortunately it is looking more and more each day like like your latest analysis is going to play out as written. MACD on SPX starting to turn towards crossover as of yesterday. Rounded top starting to stretch out a little too much IMO - on the cusp of breaking that TA pattern (like most others this year). And, even if the dollar carry trade unwinds / bond market tanks / etc. - there is nothing to say it won't be clean with a simple trend reversal in the short term.

    I am not certain we blow off to 1140 though - but it would not surprise me at all to find ourselves range-bound, in a wood-chipper, for the balance of December. I am not that great at wave counts here, but I have seen speculation that we are in wave 2 of a abcde123 pattern - which would suggest we start painting wave 3 here later today or Monday - a potential challenge to the 1087 pivot - but probably not much more. Maybe a better exit for any put holders who will risk holding over the weekend (and maybe wind up with gap-up morning over 1110).

    There is always the odd chance something "blows up", but that is become quickly more hopeful than technical IMO.
  • labdude
    Sorry--I'm not a pro--I will try to have some input on the weekends (I'm at work--lunch is over).

    I did have the one comment below ;))))

    Hope everyone makes some MUULAAH.
  • LOL. Gave up in (minor) disgust earlier after I managed to get stopped out on my DJIA short literally on the top tick before that nice drop - went to watch UP with my nieces and nephews instead.

    Dollar/equities correlation does seem to have flipped, which is what we were waiting for - all except for versus JPY, which still seems to be preferred in moments of, er, stress. Wonder if that one will last, as they are by all accounts fairly scoobied (even 20 years later!) and the government is struggling to shift its debt over there too.

    Bring on the melt up and let's get this thing over with once and for all - now that would be a christmas present... you think you can fix it?
  • Gold_Gerb
    death march, certainly appropriate - day 23.

    wish i had the guts to preposition, to sell on the 'blow off'. just not enuf evil money in pocket.

    EDIT: I may date myself, but I saw heartbreak ridge (1987) on the big screen. definitely shows the futility angle of war.

    EDIT: hamburger hill, what was i thinking?
  • Schwerepunkt
    Isn't there potential for that consolidation zone, the death march area as you called it, to become a diamond top, meaning we've seen the high already? I hate the idea of 1140.

    Edit: for that to happen, it looks like serious resistance b/w 1115-1120 would have to hold.
  • amokta
    P3 starting on 20th Dec according to your chart - ok let me put this in my diary!
  • tradejane
    Unfortunately those things can drag on for quite a while:

    http://www.screencast.com/t/MjEzYmExN

    ETA: Coincidently in '07 momentum was dropping for 2 and some quarters from its peak before the price finally caught up with it. And momentum has been dropping for 2 and some quarters now.
  • amokta
    good point. But according to Precheter.....!!
  • labdude
    We can hope-my puts (gee can't remember) and calls (TZA, SDS) are about to turn into coal.

    The only P's around here is me going to the bathroom. Dang prostate.

    Sorry--I'm getting old.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Looks like on or about the solstice. Freaky.
  • amokta
    cheers! on a serious note, i feel something not right generally in world economy/markets- many small-caps shares are still way behind/falling, and irish banks going back towards March lows!
  • K.I.M.
    fuck it. when everything looks settled then up up up !!!
  • Nightwind
    Long TNA 37.02
  • Schwerepunkt
    huge volume on a green candle on ES at 12:40:08. 86K contracts on my 89-tick chart. Price range on candle was narrow, 1104.25-1104.75. Seems the balloon is going up.
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