The Buck That Could

Actually put up a fight that is. Yes, I’m talking about the Dollar and how it has thus far resisted all efforts to smack it down:

Sorry for going all EWT on you again but I call that a nice looking third wave. Could it be that there’s a bit of a short squeeze going on as carry traders are heading for the hills with their hair on fire? Oh, this are just the humble beginnings of a long and drawn out rally in the Dollar that will most likely last months. Yes, that’s right – just when everyone was ready to put the last nail in the coffin of our greenback it decided to snap back with vengeance. And that’s how it usually happens – what everyone ‘knows’ is usually not worth knowing. I don’t just love trading setups like that (and admittedly this one was a long time coming) – on a more visceral level I enjoy the lemmings being pushed off the edge of the cliff. Yes, I’m evil after all – just can’t help it – it’s in my DNA plus I’m German and we invented the word ‘Schadenfreude’.

So, it’s time to consult our DXY oracle once more – courtesy of 2sweeties over at retracementlevels.com. Obviously we’re pushing close to the 100% mark I set at 77.64 and to which I’m sticking so far. The odds at 77.15 – not that far away – are 83% and if you are planning to go long the EUR/USD for a quick scalp then it might be worth taking a small position there. However, be warned – the fourth wave consolidation could be fairly quick and dirty, so don’t sit on your laurels if it goes your way. Frankly – having watched this short squeeze I would not go short the Dollar until 77.64 – this thing is on a roll and currency have a tendency to run when they get going.

In respect to reversal frequency both RLs are about even – but 77.64 is ahead by a few percentage points. Yet another reason to wait for that one – again, if you insist on shorting the buck here. I personally do not feel tempted.

Please remember that the DXY odds calculator has been exclusively donated to Evil Speculator by 2sweeties – he is offering a whole suite of odds calculators for currencies, indexes, futures, etc. – so go pay him a visit and check it out. I use most of what he’s offering and it has improved my entries by quite a bit. Worth every cent IMNSHO.

Alright – I’ll get this posted and then return with more material as I dig it up.

2:30pm EDT: Grabbing FE puts here:

I like TOL long but only on a retest:

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  • Did anyone grab PCG yesterday? I'm on a roll here people! ;-)
  • gmak
    133 bottles of beer on the wall. 133 bottles of beer. You take one down......

    http://evilspeculator.com/?p=13617#disqus_thread

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  • CorporalCarrot
    Ho ho ho, yay verily merry rat-folk, the FTSE doth look rather ill at this point. What pray tell is the cause of its indisposition?
  • not believing the attempt for a gap up s&p?

    as I mentioned earlier spx:gold is once again on drop mode (10% min) so either spx drops or gold skyrockets (or spx drops slightly and gold rises)
  • rangefinder
    SSH - S&P ain't headed anywhere - looks like we can now see the way that this market will react to a rising dollar -> sideways. And once the buck is repowered/reflated we can push on up in equities by deflating the fucker all over again. Nice move Mr B!!
  • hey, he won the person of the year, we can tank now
  • PRSGuitars
    edit -- spoke too soon! haha
  • PRSGuitars
    Oh no! TIME PIVOTS RETURN!

    That's right, folks...

    http://screencast.com/t/OWNhNmE4Z
  • Jan
    PRS....thanks for you non-stop analysis. I've gone back and printed out your info on the 133 extension and I'm just trying to figure out how to get it on my TOS charts per your instructions. Will take some time for me to study and analyze, but I wanted to thank you for the tool. Keep it coming!!!

    Do you ever sleep?
  • PRSGuitars
    Yes, I sleep sometimes (like, now, until 10am or so EST) and then I am very,
    very tired the remainder of the day. I am a EUR/USD scalping robot/zombie
    who consumes 133s instead of fuel/brains. But it gets the job done.

    I am VERY much focusing on rearranging my schedule. At the moment I just
    see SO many patterns overnight I cannot avoid taking advantage of them. And
    it's teaching me infinitely more than I would learn getting chopped around
    in the silliness of 930-11 am EST and 230-400 pm EST. I have come to hate
    the regular session hours, just my opinion (or taste, i should say).
  • PRSGuitars
    No problemo -- ask anything you have (leaving Thursday afternoon for a week
    but I will do a massive 133 post somewhere for anyone looking for links or
    information on it)

    Quick recap!

    draw a channel and right click on it --

    the menu that comes up, near the top, select 'edit properties' --

    in the lower half of the box that appears, click 'add curve' (this means
    'add a line') --

    click on the '0' that appeared for the 'curve' that you just 'added' (the
    new channel line, not 25, 50, nor 75) and type in 1.333 (for a 133.3%
    extension) --

    alternatively, you can type in 1.7689 for a 133 of 133 extension (133*133 =
    1.7689 thus 176.89%) or -0.333 or -0.7689 for the negative (other side of
    channel) 133 and 133 of 133...

    I would recommend changing this line to be a different than standard (red)
    color, so, like, yellow, AND, make it dotted (or something easily
    recognizable) AND uncheck 'hidden' ... very important! haha --

    Then (again just my recommendation) click 'save as default' in the bottom
    left, and click OK... this means you'll have a 133.3% extension on any
    channel you draw, always, so you can see possible targets (VERY useful for
    predictive capabilities, so, good to have it on even when I'm not thinking
    "Oh! possible 133!"...it just appears!) --

    Best of luck.

    Zach/PRSGuitars
  • PRSGuitars
    EUR 133 Hall of Fame Poster (really!)

    http://screencast.com/t/NTcwZTNkYTAt

    EUR Channels (clean version) and Overhead Supply

    http://screencast.com/t/NWUzODM0YmIt
  • Nice!

    There's the hint of a cable 133 setup right now. Watching for a possible breakout and run towards $1.65 maybe later today/tomorrow...

    http://screencast.com/t/YzEyZWFj
  • PRSGuitars
    EUR Intraday 133 BOTH DIRECTIONS - AGAIN!

    http://screencast.com/t/YTBjMzY4N

    An addendum...

    Nice call on cable, thinking Im going to be in bed until lunchtime... going to be a hide with the teddy bear type of morning. Will deal with EUR in the AM, was being very fussy tonight despite trading according to plan. Meh.

    At least I got some killer 133 charts on the books...
  • PSR

    1. I gave some explanations on the spaghetti, take a look

    2. the other day I sugested that 133 is just the visible (and aproximative) part of a simetrical 1,618 extension... try that
  • PRSGuitars
    Could you explain the 1.618 reference? Like, what is being symmetrically extended to produce the 1.618? Sorry for being so clouded... its late and i've been churning 133s all AM long...
  • you often start

    100
    33

    and end up with

    33
    100
    33

    correct?

    maybe it is from moment 1 like this

    30.9
    100
    30.9


    1.618 symetric channel extension using fib number
  • PRSGuitars
    Wow, I just got what you were saying. Dude, brilliant. Hit me like a ton
    of bricks.

    Thanks so much for mentioning that, I will look into that in the afternoon
    extensively. I think you are onto something (as usual).

    You wily, late-night/early morning hamster...
  • I had already mentioned it as a simpler alternative to your future you 133 post....

    GMT hamster and this time it was early riser, not still awake ;-)

  • PRSGuitars

    I do think you're right, though, with the 'futureyou' concept of knowing where the chart is headed applying directly to it being a symmetric 161.8 expansion (both sides, as opposed to extension which is a one-sided thing, just for our nomenclature). That is -- the chart is trying to show it's elbowing its way out in both directions, expanding the range evenly on each side in a way related to 133s (or a larger 161.8 of the 'original' channel).

    In essence, now we have a 100% channel height that expanding like a megaphone top of sorts, but with fibonacci and/or this 133 thing (maybe the same thing, who knows) affecting the magnitude of the pushes.
  • yes, and remember that to reach th perfect ratio it passes through 1.5, 1.667, 1.60, 1.625, 1.615, 1.619, till finally 1.618

    and 1.667 may be the moment you get the first touch of the 1.33 channel (never to be retouched unless there is a further expansion)
  • PRSGuitars
    lol, it really would be a significantly simpler than OldYou and FutureYou.

    But man, that analogy really worked in my mind. Bummer it came out on the page like that, but meh...
  • fast996
    es + 5.00 pump monkeys are up and running.......big move up tommorow?
  • Er, you mean today?

    Yep, looks like we have a third wave beginning a few hours ago. Hopefully this is the final ascent?

    In other news, seems like official powers may be sniffing around in the wake of climategate - now I know we're supposed to be keeping it apolitical around here, but the reason I mention it is that I guess from a socionomic perspective, this is exactly the kind of cracking of the facade that we should expect to see more of as the new bull market (tm) falls apart at the seams...

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/14/doe-sends-a-litigation-hold-notice-regarding-cru-to-employees-asking-to-preserve-documents/
  • fast996
    Yes...pardon , today looks like wave 3 starting....but it has to close above 1118 cash
    Very overbought not sure if it has the mustard.
  • tradejane
    Oh oh.

    Comedybank up nearly 4% already and DB up nearly 2%.

    This bear is running for cover.
  • gsavli
    effect of salvation of hypo?
  • tradejane
    No, I don't think so. DB got an upgrade but that can't be it either. FOMC?

    The good news: DAX hasn't made a new high yet.

    The bad news:

    http://www.screencast.com/t/NTFjZGY3Y

    http://www.screencast.com/t/ZjRlYTM1Y2Mt
  • looks like DAX is punching through resistance, if it stays above then 6200 possible.
    http://www.screencast.com/t/MTU4YTgyY2
  • tradejane
    >6200 possible.

    Agreed.

    I was lucky this morning. By respecting the German bank breakout at the open I was able to get out of an ETF that shorts these banks: http://tinyurl.com/y9mqxqu - as well as my DAX shorts - with just a small loss.

    That way I bought back my bank short much cheaper. Why? Because the Austrian Raiffeisen and AIB were struggling today. Greek stock market isn't looking too good either. All the problems are still there. The thought of not having at least one short in this environment makes me feel queasy.

    Should anything happen to those Austrian Raiffeisen no other bank will be safe from contagion.
  • gsavli
    comedybank bounced from SMA200. It's just there, sitting on it.
  • randomwalker
    Lots of put option activity today on IWM - Jan p/c is about 8 -1

    From Dec. 4:

    Commitment of Traders
    The latest Nasdaq 100 futures Commitment of Traders report is showing the ’smart money’ (commercial hedgers) extremely short. This is the foot print of investment banks like Goldman Sachs who take the other side of large speculators (hedge funds) and small speculators (retail punters). If they are up to their gills in short futures positions, you have to ask if they know something you don’t. Especially since the last time they were even more net short was in October 2007.
  • bananaben
  • Those fuckers just get every damn break in the book. The Feds are blowing free money up their collective asses and then exempt them from paying taxes. WTF - in the meantime one out of two children in the U.S. is eating via food stamps - makes me want to grab some boiled rope and take care of business. Those bloody gnomes are making my blood boil - I hope I'll see them pay for their dirty deeds one day.
  • PRSGuitars
    Hey--

    http://slopeofhope.typepad.com/.a/6a00e009898222883301287658f3dd970c-pi

    if that's any indication (and we can use Slope as an acceptable proxy) then you've got 7 writers for 94 readers or an approximate 5-8% participation rate depending on how overlap is counted (just winging it here).

    Do not be phased by low comment counts sometimes. Some people are eyeballs, others are mouths. Those of us here represent between ten and twenty silent folk who lurk pages like this, taking in our resplendent humor and technical wisdom, never saying much but benefitting greatly from your (and our) posts.

    It is on behalf of those people that someone must speak! You need to recognize (suckaaa...) that there's a 'fourth wall' of sorts (theater reference) separating we actors from the audience -- only in this case, the audience wishes to keep it there and we wish to break it down (instead of the traditional, vice versa). Do not be fooled Molemeister.

    There is great demand for the goods you supply. And that's as generic as I'll be at this late hour.
  • PSR you're forgetting the IDLE (open browser, maybe reading, but not scrolling)

    so it's 7 writing at a given moment to 500 present

    but SOH is much more "social" people say "hi" etc

    I'd be surprised if the average number of connected people during market hours was smaller than 1 k
  • standard_and_poor
  • tradejane
    Not bad. But our day is just starting here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUZyEbdQpPE&feature=related
  • standard_and_poor
    I take it you are German or in Germany?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGRdh_3XN5U
  • tradejane
  • standard_and_poor
    That was a nice taste of Germany/Austria?, here's a taste of my hometown - a new Chicago band - "Company of Thieves".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcWpi0I_2ac
  • tradejane
    Oh, that's good too. Hmmm, what can I offer in return:



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hDHit3EBNs&NR=1

    (They have so many good songs I just can't decide.)
  • standard_and_poor
    Nice, thanks.
    You have to check out this London band:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkymJsrUkt0
  • tradejane
    I don't know if I can top that...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymeoUU1mejc&feature=PlayList&p=8A9E2AADD074FF8A&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

    Thank you. I have some really good names to check out now.
  • standard_and_poor
    Thanks I wasn't familiar with her either.
    Let's keep in touch.
    :  )
  • standard_and_poor
    All right let's get the Led out:
  • standard_and_poor
    Expecting a pullback from upper boundary of SPX range but holding hedged longs in case we bust out, if we continue down I'll increase shorts.

    Currently 50% cash, and hedged with TZA (23% of acct.)
    8 hours ago Bought TZA $10.67

    Bought RINO $29.87

    s ago Sold BGU $51.80

    Bought DCI $42.88

    Bought NFLX $57.38

    Yesterday Bought RDEN $14.96

    Yesterday Bought TSTC $16.61

    Yesterday ) Bought HEAT $15.80

    Dec 11, 2009 Bought BGU $51.06
  • The_Grim_Reaper
    Cobra pointed out that retail traders in the Rydex funds are overwhelmingly bearish, surprisingly. I don't get what the investor sentiment index is measuring, but just "eyeballing" most blogs, they seem to be bearish. I don't get what the % bulls and bears means exactly. That's why I don't fully trust sentiment measurements, and will only use them in conjuction with other internal indicators to measure market health.

    http://lh4.ggpht.com/_APmrYvpA45s/Syg-dNHv3tI/AAAAAAAAF2E/tECvvsFUKsA/s1600-h/RydexBullBearRSISpread%5B2%5D.png
  • spudthorpe
    Sentiment data is very confusing right now. As you mentioned, Rydex traders are at wild extremes of bearishness; the Investor's Intelligence survey of newsletters is at a wild extreme of bullishness; put-call ratios are inconclusive. I suppose they can't all be right (or wrong).
  • just droped by... silent is the night
  • People are worn out - X-Mas is around the corner - why bother watching this tape. Find yourself a nice cuddly Hamstress and enjoy the holiday season - life is short mate ;-)
  • Jan
    Count me in for being worn out. Time to spend some quality time with mr. jan-rat and other loved ones.

    BTW, I didn't get in on FWLT but I learned my lesson and now have my trusty "evil" watchlist. Thanks for all those charts. I did pick up some JEC stock yesterday for a quick buck. I have been totally focused on the fut's for too many months now and will start studying individual charts. Until something resloves, I think it's the only way to make money.
  • mrs hamster might object if I find another cuddly hamstress ;-)

    but I'm much calmer than some months ago, and no longer watch every second with full priority and attention.

    Don't you also feel LESS worn out than a couple of weeks ago?

    p.s. I'm went back to sleeping almost 8 hours straight
  • vision_invisible
    Like the symbols that are appearing here. Sick as a dog, so not online much.
    The homebuilders are defintely momentum plays but I wonder if they will get their turn like the REITs did that last few weeks.
  • centerline
    Same here. Nasty cold for a week now.
  • Tomorrow is FOMC day. This market is killing me with boredom so any action is welcome
    http://tinyurl.com/y8u53t6
  • ok, seems I have overloaded the others and stockcharts BPSPX for today is above MA13 but flatish

    so I'd consider it a "let's fall" setup

    besides, spx:gold closed, again, under MA52 so...

    YOU BETTER BE SHORT (spx:gold should AT LEAST do a .96 right now)

    no more hamster rants for now, see you all tomorrow
  • /GC chart to keep eye on

    http://screencast.com/t/MGM1MzQxNm

    I was actually hoping for some giddy-up to the /DX end of day but didnt come, even though sell-off ensued. Am long some futures and I anticipate the move will come overnight, though i may get shaken out of my position before it comes.

    Also, ZH had a piece about teh EUR/JPY correlation and Ive been watching it last few days and it has served as a solid indicator. Much more tied to equities than the /DX recently
  • gregn
    Aye, http://www.zerohedge.com/article/marketfx-correlation-pair-choice-eur-jpy. He could have elaborated a bit more, however.
  • some good stats:

    If the S&P futes were down by any amount the day before a FOMC announcement, then the day of the meeting was up 18/25 times, +0.9% avg. $$
  • I_got_Prechterized
    Can anyone remember the last day where we closed on the low tick of the day? This is total fucking horseshit! They salvage any downward days, with a garbage ramp in the last few minutes. You hold it a day or two, and bad news is forgotten and sentiment changes again. Austria, Greece, Dubai, all being forgotten. I just have 1 small short position but I'd like to build upon that. I need to have faith that this market can trade in reality. As of yet, I haven't seen it.
  • @torbjornrive
    If you're building the short position at the top of the range here at least that's good risk mgmt.
    "Remembering" to get out is where the trouble starts.

    = ouch.
  • gregn
    ES should begin a hedge fund. With a concentrated amount of money and proper coding, it would be pretty easy to be consistently profitable. Could easily produce enough volume overnight to run some /ES stops and get a nice waterfall effect/short squeeze depending on scenario.
  • PRSGuitars
    Now that's a concept. legality and division of capital aside, wouldn't a trading desk be a phenomenal concept?

    What can we do to develop this concept along the lines of a virtual office -- could some posters have certain areas of watch, like sentries, responsible for say, bonds, FX pairs, market internals, etc?

    I see the level of commitment easily being the delineating factor for whether it would remain coherent or fracture off into sub-groups quickly. If we were all in it for blood, we'd be a dangerous force.
  • LOL

    I play with a couple of 100k's, most do the same or less, you couldn't run the AH short of 100's of mils
  • gregn
    I am not saying it wouldn't need at least several million -- but I don't think it would take 100s of millions to run stops AHs. I know there is a very easy way to figure out how much volume is needed to change the price a given amount, but I do not have access to ToS. I'll figure it out later.
  • you could only do it piggybacking on the big ones, and that you can do with whatever cash you're holding
  • gregn
    I think with a clever algorithm, you could minimize the amount of liquidity needed.
  • you have to sustain greg, it's not the peek movement that makes the move, it's the breacking of the retrace, it's the overexciting of the 5... takes some serious cash (besides that's why there is nobody playing against them, everyone knows they outcash you)
  • AND ES futures are already at 1105, meaning the entire drop has been retraced. Big surprise there.
  • elliott_surfs
    do they flip the switch on the secret machine right at the bell?
  • LogansRun
    I've been wondering about this sort of activity for a long time. Can anyone provide some possible explanations. Is it computer driven buying triggered at below VWAP?
  • texpresso
    my US comm spec and china longs gapped up the last 15 min but finished down after gently sliding all day, probably open green tomorrow
  • One more week in that range and I check myself in...
  • one more week like this and my teeth end up as this tape
  • @torbjornrive
    Stick your neck out, and grind down those molars and you're a giraffe.

    ...just so you know for future reference.
  • and if mrs hamster misbehaves i'll end up as your avatar

    LOL
  • PRSGuitars
    SPY Dec 120 calls -- 30k traded today, despite being a .01/.02 option -- http://screencast.com/t/YWM3M2Y5M


    It's either someone scraping their butt off the floor (cashing out for barely anything), closing a short call side of a spread (likely), or frontrunning FOMC with some silly upside insurance (scary!).

    Seriously, though -- 120? What's up w/that? I'll stick with closing the short side of a spread...
  • did you see my spaghetti? 1120 is feasible if this fuc$"r breaks out.
  • PRSGuitars
    Nah, post it again!

    also Rich said he'd be happy to do the check of the rules -- I'll email them
    to him later tonight (and stop by and say thanks if you would,
    ew-indextrader.blogspot.com, super-nice guy as I said)...
  • PRSGuitars
    Nice! Sending Rich the manuscript now...

    Also will you comment on your chart (the
    http://www.uploadgeek.com/share-1D86_4B261A3D.html one)? Just curious as to
    your interpretation on things...
  • a couple of comments

    1. this is no bull market, bull markets don't have ceillings and the dark blue line is a ceilling
    2. november = true bottom, january high and low are a and b of A
    3. c of a failled and the march bottom is one hell of an overthrow for a flat B
    4. true bottom through a of A (A's support) gives C's resistence (top dark blue line)
    5. paralels give channel
    6. forckpitches show inversion points


    enough?
  • gregn
    That chart looks like Picasso's interpretation of a chart by PRS. :D
  • PRSGuitars
    I was thinking the same thing! like, wow, thats crazy enough for me even!
  • yes it is, but pay attention to that blue channel and pray for the green fork to hold

    BTW the blue upper channel was "discovered" long ago

  • gregn
    It is too 'zoomed out' for me to see where we are.
  • Greg

    go to stockcharts, do your thing from what you see there (tip, use the info option for cursor so you place your lines on bottoms and tops, not where you think they are)

    i't prety obvious and you can do something which is to have 180 aditional days and see the future for those lines
  • gregn
    I was going to do it when I get to my setup, I hate using non-interactive charting.
  • OPTION ANNOTATE

    (under the chart)
  • gregn
    I do not know if there is value in peering at the volume of particular options as they could have been a part of a more complex option strategy. It is impossible (I think) to determine the traders view on the market based on the amount of those options traded today.
  • gsavli
    what can FOMC announce, that could make markets soar? 0% interest rates for much longer? we already have this. maybe it could be another liquidity flush?
  • They are creative, they can come up with something out of the blue....
  • unicorns that shit rainbows and do BJs without you feeling their teeth

    as Gmak would say... Tick Tock Tock.... wellcome to the broken clock
  • elliott_surfs
    FOMC used to be one of my fav. plays...just ride the digestion regardless of what the announcement is
  • It seems that UUP and calls on UUP are not acting properly --proportionally to dollar move, any one can comment on this?
  • shortcover
    it may have to do with how the underlying holdings are built. I do know that early in Nov/late Oct there was a big disconnect due to the fund being out of shares. It traded like a CTF for a while until they issued a ton of new shares to close to demand/arb gap. Use caution there...
  • gregn
    Does anyone have a good reference to how bid/ask spreads are calculated?
  • Gold_Gerb
    http://www.investopedia.com/articles/trading/12...

    The size of the spread and the price of the stock is determined by supply and demand
    [i'm sure someone has an even better link]

    http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/epr/03v09n3/0309flem/0309flem.html
  • i.e. market makers will screw you every time, theta burn you and AB spread if you buy, if you're crazy enough to write options instead of buying them you'll find out why it's unlimitided risk
  • spudthorpe
    Well, writing spreads is limited risk...
  • I_got_Prechterized
    sorry, that makes no sense. there are ways to write options with limited risk. plus, all the money has been made writing puts for the last 9 months. Sure, the risk is unlimited going naked, but there's unlimited risk shorting any stock too.
  • of course there is, but writing options is something that you shoul never ever do without having played enough to know the game and being ABSOLUTELY certain that you cover before a bad deal turns into a catastrophe

    I feel scared when I think of newbies writing anything but their names. Not for me, but if they're hearing it from here (and as long as mole doesn't stop me) I'll say STAY OUT!

    Nothing personnel, but when you write it's you that are at the wrong side for a black swan (in whatever sense may f"$ck you the most)
  • @torbjornrive
    Good point. As a n00b I must say I have sold an option or two (just cause I could) and luckily it went well. Not anymore. I don't use options at the moment and until I learn (and put effort into doing so) a lot more.

    My current rule: trading is hard enough before you bring options into the equation.

    Furthermore, I'm very right-brained. Not sure if options strategies have room for creativity; at least not until I learn much more.

    Or: Maybe I'm just convincing myself it's harder than it is?
  • it's hard and most of all you'll feel as you make YOUR mistakes

    seem strange but true

    sometings you learn from your mistakes, you learn what's your rythm, if you're late or early, your pain threshhold, your stubborness coefficient etc etc
  • jacksoo
    hi SSH - big divergence over the last week or so re EUR/US v SPY - -pattern has changed or SPY to fall to catch-up?

    http://www.screencast.com/users/jacksoo/folders/Jing/media/df144097-d9cd-4f74-8f97-52efc4bd8b9f
  • standard_and_poor
    Gdday Mate, good to see you.
  • jacksoo
    You to S&P - -tough mkt, perhaps xmas break early - can't see too much
    happen until New Year.
  • yudhisthira
    That is an awesome chart.
    Any little bounce in euro could send spy to the moon.
    Come on bucky!
  • if you read my posts I asked for SPX 1070

    lets see
  • jacksoo
    sorry SSH missed that detail -
  • just to make sure my mistakes aren't forgoten, I asked for 1070 long ago and re-asked with a gold rise to 1175

    let's see if it plays out
  • gregn
    Trading options is certainly more difficult than trading the underlying. When trading stocks, you cannot get raped while on the right side of the trade, whereas the game with options is that you can get raped while on the right side of the trade. However, more money can be made faster - you work harder for a bigger reward.
  • Nightwind
    Options have too many moving parts for my little brain. My multitasking skills have been taken to the woodshed more lately than I would like to admit.
  • better your multitasking than your @ss

    ;-)
  • Nightwind
    That too :)
  • gregn
    Thank you, Mr. Gerbil. Investopedia is a fantastic site, I forgot about it.
  • shortcover
    love that last 15 min move...makes you want to puke.
  • PRSGuitars
    Overnight charts for you daywalkers:

    IYR Lifetime 133 Analysis... wow, didn't even notice this was happening...

    http://screencast.com/t/ZGI1YTc3MDMt

    Closeup: http://screencast.com/t/Y2Q0ZTQw



    This is Sparta-caliber madness. EUR 133 and 133 of 133. Both directions.

    http://screencast.com/t/NWZmOWM4NWQt

    This is definitely in the hall of 133 fame.



    And EUR 133 from Prophet perspective... Same SPARTA!! madness, just with different 133s. Yup. DIFFERENT 133s. Oh man.

    http://screencast.com/t/YmEzOWIx

    EUR barely had throwover with the 133 of 133 to downside -- we'll see what the overnight session brings.
  • That late night shit is tiring!
  • Tronacate
    Must be God holding BAC above 15.......
  • Tronacate
    Can't decide if they are gonna run up the RUT ah......or if this is a bear flag
  • Gold_Gerb
    market closed!?!?
    where's the 20 minutes go?
    :-D
  • Those fuckers just never quit - do they... sigh... I hope those dip buyers get ass raped tomorrow.
  • I think they will, either that or gold skyrockets... we already started our way from almost 1.0 to .91 or less... but this was only iv down, entering v if i read the tape right, god knows what they'll do with 2

    p.s. I'm talking spx:gold first equivalent wave down in 2007 was the way to august low
  • centerline
    Almost like Pavlov's dog now it seems.... dip = buy. Go figure. My dog is happy though, maybe I am missing something here! LOL.
  • bubble jeopardy
    xlf and bkx look to be closing near the lows of the day
  • @torbjornrive
    XLF stuck under $14.26 is a "thing" for me.
    But only if it's stuck there. Stuck means I lean into SKF.
  • XLF ... in real terms the lower BB52,0.618 seems to be holding the sucker down
  • gregn
    I am a little perplexed, I have puts that lost a pretty big amount of value today... VIX up, stock price down -- put down... hmm.
  • Gold_Gerb
    welcome to Thetaville.
    the only game in town, where "right" is still a losing play.
    <i've been="" there=""></i've>
    EDIT: if the puts are out of the money, they go to zero on expiry. if the puts are in the money, the premium evaporates on expiry.
  • gregn
    I would be surprised if it was theta -- these are Januarys.
  • Gold_Gerb
    my bad. it's a conspiracy. consult Mole.
    ;-)
  • FUNNY you just posted that. Looked at my account and noticed the same. They are seriously fucking with the b/a - those bastards!
  • spudthorpe
    VIX is a composite of implied volatility across a wide variety of S&P index options (specifically, spanning front and second month expiry and all out of the money strikes). Implied volatility for a specific S&P option can still go down depending on supply and demand even if the VIX is up overall, and certainly implied volatility for a particular stock can go down even if the VIX is up.

    I got screwed today by the same phenomenon, but it doesn't necessarily mean anything untoward is happening.
  • since they changed VIX in 2005, VIX says whatever the f"$# they want

    and as for your options

    ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US
  • Gold_Gerb
  • gerbil, with that pattern It will be jaibait before I make money (EEV is highly VIX dependent)
  • gregn
    VIX is more expensive, nice.
  • gregn
    Yeah, I have been reading up on Black Scholes (Sun) recently as I am trying to create a calculator in Java and delved into IV. A great tool to use when trading options on individual stocks is to toggle ToS' (well Prophet chart) implied volatility overlay.
  • gregn
    In a way, I think this could be a good sign.. looks like they are trying to discourage put buying.
  • gsavli
    same experience here. aapl was down, vix up, jan puts down.
    leaves you scratching your head...
  • Those fuckers probably are so sure the dip will be bought back that they prevent put buyers from taking profits. Something's very fishy here...
  • Captain Obvious
    Exactly
  • Gold_Gerb
    GAMMA? just guessing.
  • Gamma measures the rate of change in the delta with respect to changes in the underlying price. I think someone needs to study those greeks a bit.
  • Gold_Gerb
    Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Epsilon, Vega - <must be="" here="" in="" somewhere!=""></must>
  • yudhisthira
    Finally big red candles RUT.
  • bubble jeopardy
    If xlf on a daily chart is finishing a roof pattern, by the looks of the steepness of the left wall, if the right wall is similarly as steep, we've got a ways to go down and relatively quick
  • Gold_Gerb
    talk to me goose...the gap from Fri/Mon is closed at 111.25
    rebound or half hour sell off?
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