Why Most Retail Traders Lose

I’m back in Los Angeles – happily so I might add. Don’t get me wrong, I love San Francisco and I had a lot of fun but – what can I say – I’m a Southern California boy ;-)

So, someone today (either gmak or Michael) posted the following chart this afternoon:

Geronimo’s Come Back

Geronimo’s most recent 20 trades, 17 winners and 3 losers.

Now, I haven’t verified these numbers and they might be off. Why haven’t I bothered? Because I frankly don’t care if anyone subscribes at this point. Because geronimo didn’t come back – it never left! This thing has been printing coin for months and if you look at the last six months track record it’s a very consistent winner. And perhaps it’s best if only a handful of people trade geronimo – it’s good to keep a low profile if you’re sitting on a winning strategy.

Quite frankly – I wasn’t even paying attention – I just kept watching it win over and over again. For some reason Eric is MIA and I personally have not kept track – especially during my travels. However, do you guys want to know what’s really funny?

What’s really funny is that we had dozens of subscribers for about three months after we launched geronimo. Then we had one ten day stretch sometime in August where I believe we had 4 or 5 stop outs (with wins in between). Guess what – a week later we had lost about one third of our subscribers. Admittedly we also suffered from technical difficulties a few times as we were haunted by an empty alert problem. However, we fixed it a week later and let everyone know (even the expired subs) – but they didn’t come back.

In the weeks after that geronimo quietly continued to win and bank coin while for some reason more and more subs kept dropping off. Two weeks ago I checked and we had a whopping THREE subscribers left – apparently only a few die-hards had stuck with it and and kept trading the system, no matter what. And that was before I ever even saw this chart. Yes, I kept seeing the signals and traded them as I always do when I was around, but I frankly wasn’t keeping track – after all I’m used to scalping geronimo for months now.

Moral of the Story:

But the lesson to be learned here, my dear stainless steel rats, is that there is a reason why 95% of retail traders lose most of their assets within their first 12 months of trading. Another 4% blows up within the next five years, and there’s about 1% (and maybe less) that actually banks coin consistently.

So, what is the big secret, oh Evil Oracle of Mole?

Three reasons – and actually two of them are related:

  1. They don’t have a system with an edge or trade based on their ’superior instinct’.
  2. They have a system that might have an edge, but are unable to follow it.
  3. They believe you have to be right a majority of the time in order to make money trading the markets.

Number three is something gmak talked about this morning – it’s a long discussion and it’s something we have been trying to drive home for over 18 months now (mostly without much success – you can’t fight human nature). One and two are simply related to discipline. Most people who try their luck in the market are either too lazy (or too stupid) to put in the work necessary to develop or at least copy a working system. And if they actually do find a system (or follow someone else’s) a majority of wanna-be-traders are not disciplined enough to follow even a system with a long term track record.

This is not meant to kick dirt in the faces of the folks who gave up after a few weeks of trying geronimo (despite the fact that we encouraged everyone to think long term). The point here is to learn a lesson, folks – discipline and persistence is a lot more important than intelligence, luck, or even the best technical analysis.

Mole out – see you rats tomorrow.

This entry was posted on Friday, January 29th, 2010 at 3:43 am and is filed under Trading Psychology. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

  • Implosion
    It would be interesting to hear from the subscribers themselves as to why they elected not to renew Geronimo. With all due respect, it would be nice to hear the subscriber's side of the story, and not just those 3 people who elected to continue subscribing and are saying that they're printing money with Geronimo. PERHAPS there is something you're overlooking? MAYBE there was some issue such as that the alerts not arriving in time to be able to get in on the trade in time to capture the move. Is there any chance there could be some other issue other than the subscribers themselves having the mindset of a retail trader and lacking discipline?
  • dberliner
    Well, Truth be told, I am apparently one of the only three that have stuck with Geronimo, and I do admit I love it very much.

    Just one note, Mole: From this snapshot I can attest that some of the alerts presented here have never even made it to my E-mail box or in SMS form. Lately I receive no E-mail messages with Geronimo at all, only the SMS messages. After this post, when more people will surely want to try out and discover the power that is Geronimo, you and Eric have got to sort out those technical issues.

    He is back, by the way!

  • minus273
    Geronimo sounds interesting and effective, if I had a spare 50k and the time I would be tempted to give it a shot...... EDIT, did u change it to a minimum of 500k or did I just misread it before?
  • momac
    This hits home Mole, I don't have a system and fly by the seat of my pants and have been losing money consistently. Which of your programs would you recommend to use with etf's? Thanks
  • gmak
    Wasn't my post on Geronimo. I see in the blogosphere that Wave-ers of all kinds are still shifting their counts. Does it ever get old?

    Note to self: Have nagging SSH garotted. Beginning to sound like marmot squeaking "rise sun" at 6:45AM EST. Annoying and unnecessary.

    http://evilspeculator.com/?p=14406#disqus_thread

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  • thought you missed me ;-)
  • BTW... GMAK!!!!

    where's my broken clock?
  • morning rats, thanks mole, let's get busy?
  • At the same spot in the DAX - (v) of v of 1 still to come. Fib marks where I think wave i ended, iii at the lower trend-line, iv yesterday at the upper.

    Look at where the lower trend-line is - not saying it will get there, but potentially juicy nonetheless.

    http://screencast.com/t/ODYyY2UwY2E

    // further point of interest for the DAX - waves (i) to (iii) are exactly the same height in both waves i and v
  • tradejane
    Very nice chart, thanks.

    DAX seems to be preparing for a drop to the 5450 area.
  • Nice to know we're thinking similarly - v = 1.618 x i right around there
  • tradejane
    There's also some good daily/weekly support.

    http://www.screencast.com/t/YWNkNWQ0M2 (magnify for details)
  • CorporalCarrot
    Ultra I was going to add that if futs were up big going into the report, I was going to add to shorts, and if down big I am going to trim.
  • Fair play mate - do what you have to - here comes a bounce
  • Looks like the slide has started already.
  • CorporalCarrot
    Morning folks. 2nd day in a row with a big hangover. Was out last night in Dublin and despite the fact that we are royally screwed here in Ireland, it was very busy. Expensive restaurant totally packed (probably with people whose debts are so large another few quid doesn't make a difference). Maybe some gallows humour though.

    Anyway, for the first time in as long as I can remember, it is the bulls who await some economic data with trepidation. There must be some huge downside risks here. Its widely recognised that the quarter under consideration is likely to be the biggest print of this whole "recovery", as a convergence of stimulus forces should have had its maximum impact possible. If the number is spectacular that might be enough to stop recent bleeding and provoke a decent rally, but the mood has definitely changed.

    Such a rally would be greeted with relief I think by bulls, and won't provoke much fear in bears from this level.

    Any miss here, or even a number thats merely decent could provoke a sell the news reaction, if recent earnings reports are anything to go by.

    I continue to believe that "trading" this market is going to see people lose out big time on huge portions of a drop (if this is "P3"). All rally attempts have been faded, and people who were hoping for higher prices to go short are getting frustrated.

    What would cause most consternation today? Well, I think a scenario that causes the MSM to wheel out their Dow 10k caps would probably do it.
  • FranceHasTheBomb
    I wonder if the U.S. 3rd quarter GDP revisions from 3.5% to 2.8% to 2.2% have made people a bit wary of the initial number? Anyone see a GDP prediction from Goldman Sachs?
  • Guest
    Goldmans are looking for 5.8%
  • CorporalCarrot
    Will they get it do you think? I think a 6.XX is possible with the way they count it.
  • Guest
    I can see both sides. Inventory cycle looks like it is picking up, could lead to a big beat. On the other hand, a lot of Dec data has been weak because of the weather, so could be a bit soft. But equally, the weak Dec may only show up in the revisions, not the estimate.
  • CorporalCarrot
    You would think so, but then again, the revisions never seem to get the same press as the initial release.

    Lets say they print 5% today? Steve Liesman will be salivating, while Rick Santelli will be holding his head in despair, trying to bring some reality to the table. But it won't do any good. The MSM will jump on it.

    haven't seen a Goldman release or estimate.
  • Ouch. It's a learning process is all I can say. An expensive one. Have been very impressed with Rammstein though - kudos.

    Now back to the charts. Won't bore anyone with specifics, but suffice to say I think another down day.

    http://screencast.com/t/NTAyNTUxMDY
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