Living Inside a Broken Clock: Friday, Feb. 26, 2010

by gmak.

I’m off today a feeling a touch maudlin. It must be the weather and cabin fever. It has come to this. The MSM and the FED are blaming the weather for the poor economic data points in the USA. To top it all off, I expect the word “unexpectedly” to be the most frequently used by all these figuratively deaf, dumb, and blind shills for a grasping financial system.

California has passed a bill to delay payments to programs, including schools, to avoid running out of cash. Must be the weather. US jobless claims rise, “unexpectedly”. Curse the weather with tiny impotent raised fists and squeaky voices. Equipment demand slows. Darn rain clouds. Home sales hit record lows. Who shops in the rain or snow? Economic indicators rise less than expected. Begone vile storms! At least Obama has decided to outlaw foreclosures without approval by the .gov. Then he will persuade the consumer to spend. Finally, he intends to bend the tides to his will. After that, perhaps the weather.

Japan sees consumer prices fall 1.3%. Is there anyone left in the world who still thinks that a CB can automatically reflate an economy in the face of a credit contraction? Thirty years. Thirty years. Thirty years. That’s some weather. Protests grow in Greece, Portugal, and Spain. If only the weather had been better, their leaders would NEVER have overspent and encouraged wanton and wasteful consumption. But, goods news in that sharks disguised as squids are willing to help Greece sell off assets to meet its debt obligations. Live by the leverage, die by the leverage. And there will always be the scavengers to feed on the corpse. Yet, the UK plows ahead undaunted in its own race to the bottom and insists that its QE will be the best ever. What do those Japanese know anyway?

Thank goodness that I have this broken clock to live in or surely all this weather would do me in.

EQUITY

Quite a day that caught me a bit off guard and showed me that pre-conceived notions are the same as bias.  There is nothing more dangerous than a trader with a straight edge. heh.  I just watched a Swedish men’s curling team that pretty much owned Canada in the game  but let it all slip away. I understand their dismay and want to avoid that fate. I remain on the sidelines until I get my wits and detachment back – even if the damage was not that severe to me. WHen you slip into telling the market what to do instead of following the TA trail…..

The EUR just put in a 30 pips rocket in 3 minutes (at 7 PM EST).  I guess that stop running remains an all-season sport. Those cwazy weindeewr.

SPX daily put in a red candle – but bounced off the the 1086 support line that has been around for months now. The Gartley pattern remains intact. I have no clue what will happen tomorrow. Most expectations seem to be for a green candle (close higher than today’s close). Most expectations tend to be disappointed. Just ask all the economists. Whatever we think, the SPX = 1086 level remains decent support – if only as a parameter in a skynet program. Ignore it at your peril.

On Thursday, the ES climbed the 9 pMA on the 5 minute chart, an amazing exercise in control – Jack and the beanstalk. This continues post-lockup. Volumes are low as those mystery traders that are responsible for most of the SPX gains in the last while continue to have their way with the futures market. Overbought conditions are relieved by gentle sideways action. This is a thing of mathematical beauty that in no way ressembles loose and sloppy reality. The lesson in all this is play the market you are given, not the one you want to be. The market is headed up on the 9 pMA magic carpet ride. Hop on!  The downside risk is very well defined by a near-parallel tracking 34 pMA.

FX

The Washington Post has an article about how many many hedge funds are trying to use the EUR short as a generational wealth trade. Oink me. The EUR strength is no surpise as there are likely to be many forced short coverings before all this is done. It’s a race between Greece and Greed.

Looking at the daily DXY, I see it running into wave 3 up resistance and a sideways consolidation beginning. Wave 4 is underway and wave 5 a plausible future – according to the TD wave count. There is a 38% FIB at 80.07 which appears to be interim support. Below, there is a long time “eyeball” line of support at 79.63. This defines the risk for being long. Overhead, the 50% FIB is at 81.90 – this defines the short term reward. TD pressure suggests that there may be some more downside, but that DXY should rise from the ashes like the phoenix, when the TD pressure goes below and crosses back above the oversold signal line and indicates a Low risk buy again.

NEWS

 Obama may ban all foreclosures without review by loan-modification program; Japan Production climbs most since May. Retail sales rebound. Deflation continues. Bernanke says GS deals with Greece will be examined. I know I will sleep better. Clinton calls US record deficit and debt a growing national security concern. She knows that it’s a war.

 

 DATA

8:30 AM = GDP; Personal Consumption.

9:45AM = Chicago Purchasing Manager; U of Michigan Confidence

10AM = Existing home sales; NAPM Milwaukee.

 

This is why I believe that inflation is unlikely. You can’t spend what isn’t there. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

 

 

MORNING UPDATE

Asia pretty much stayed the same all night. Green except for China. Europe is green except for a few minor markets (Franfurt? How did that happen?).  The DAX gapped up (yawn) and is putting in a slightly upsloping sideways wave. The gap is from around 5532 to 5560. Given that this is the weekend, one would expect that to close – but read the comments below because there are a lot of DAX voyeurs in the mix. The green in the DAX is across all sectors except health care, and pretty much beteween 85% and100% of the stocks in the index (mainly 100%). Even so – the DAX is not running away with itself. Keep an eye on the gap, it might be a good play today with clearly defined stops to the upside.

As it did up to midnight, The ES pretty much rode the 9 pMA all night. Volume was low except around the Europe open – which put a bid under the ES as it bounced off of the TD support level I mentioned last night. Pivots:

  • R2: 1115.75 = Plausible if stop running is in vogue.
  • R1: 1109 = Possible. I don’t think that this would violate the Gartley pattern – but then again, it’s just a pattern.  I note that ES did not get near this pivot overnight (relatively speaking).
  • Neutral: 1095.75 = Possible support level if GDP scares the longs
  • S1: 1090 = This was suport on Feb 23rd off the bottom of the waterfall.
  • S2: 1077.75 = Not today (I know I said that yesterday for the S2 as well, but I’m just playing the odds). This will be reached if Gartley is valid, in the next 2 weeks.

EUR was goosed up all the way to 1.363ish with ECBs rumoured to be the goosers. RIght now, it is testing support at 1.3579 which is one of the levels for the ramp off the bottom at the Europe open. I expect that there was some short covering here, and that nervous stops were run most of the night – with no sellers available to challenge. That should change with the NY open, assuming that hedge funds have any powder left.

I’ll be in and out all day but not doing much action. I am sitting on a DXY long (with money that I can afford to lose, and a good cushion for the reindeer games). Let’s see how this plays out.

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  • Gold_Gerb
    290 - that's just cruel.
  • do or die moment, 1103.5 should hold... or else we head back to 1106 zone+
  • dangerous, found support at 104 minutes...
  • Schwerepunkt
    This is it; Euro testing a support level. I think it just failed. Back down to 1.354 next and equities will follow it down.
  • must close at or under 1.363
  • skynard
    Down time! Open the gates.
  • amokta
    Ok, times up gentlemen & ladies, whats the verdict, innocent or guilty?

    March EWFF released today sticking to P3 started view, and that mutual fund managers are now fully embraced in 'rally', and have no cash to cusion against falls, etc. credit default spreads widening, issues about servicing debt, trend for metals remains down apparently (and in sync with equities down. dollar to continue strengthening
    p.s. remember this is EWI - they have perogative to change their view at any time - and no compensation for any losses to your porfolio!
  • bananaben
    Thank you for the EWI updates. I wish Prechter would refrain from his video appearances hailing the end of the world.

    One good sign for bears: there were a ton of banks and REITs coming out last year with new share offerings etc. The last one was for WFC back in late Dec. and they were in a rush to do it. Given that this activity has now stopped and the obligatory 30-60 day grace period is almost over, I think the market will be allowed to go down soon. On Monday next week we should kick off with a default on Harrisburg PA's debt!!
  • ricebowl
    Ignore them and read the tape. The tape is currently saying, "There is no rally. The rally is in your mind." From March 2009 through January 15, 2010 there was not a single rally that got reversed as hard as the push to 1150 did. We can't even get back to the Nov./Dec. highs. Also, every retracement made in the first move reversed no further than where it started.
  • amokta
    thanks - i think they mean rally in the historical context (in that P2 completed assumption) !
  • confirmed kill, i repeat, confirmed kill
  • Schwerepunkt
    we need 2-more points to bring a bout of heavy selling.
  • 1099.6 is minimum target, you'll get your 2 points
  • gsavli
    you expecting some more decline here?
  • watching the 208 minutes ma for guidance... hope the price crashes into it, not be held by it
  • Schwerepunkt
    Can we multiply that by 10?
  • YES WE CAN!

    bounce zones 1099, 1087, 1070, 1037

    i recall that I presented a 1104-1106 as good short point

    now the worse that can happen is a stalling that doesn't let us reach 1100, PPT can try that, it's just holding the fort till the line currently at 1099.6 rises enough
  • Gold_Gerb
    OMG!!!
  • do you like my current arsenal and trade sugestions?
  • Gold_Gerb
    no. but your the only friend I've got on this board.
    ;-D
  • depilation creams are not banned under the geneve convention...
  • gsavli
    i wouldn't be so sure about that
  • gregn
    Exactly what I was expecting. I cashed my individual stock calls. http://screencast.com/t/N2I0OGE0ODM . I think we fall to 1093 by Tuesday.
  • bot ES1101, stop 1099.5
  • I_got_Prechterized
    see, I had to take one for the bear team by going long. Looks like I'll probably be stopped out here in about 2 minutes. Treasuries seem to indicate some major shit is about to hit the fan.
  • skynard
    Picked up 25% in SPY puts
  • skynard
    Hamster,

    What was your downside taget before the ramp job?
  • texpresso
    bloomberg reporting morning vol down 28% from yesterday. snow? little bit. ZB up to 119'03, ES at resistance this morning. anybody have any thoughts on ZB? has been a pretty good indicator for me so far this year
  • Nightwind
    May dip my toe into the short end of the pool if Vix and /dx bounce.
  • not a late bounce... please no... make it a secondary backtest
  • Schwerepunkt
    Yes . . . let get under 1100 and stay there.
  • see my danger zones
  • still early, but we seem to have penetration, anyone took my 1106 advise?
  • Schwerepunkt
    I would have, but I'm carrying an underwater ES position already. I'm not in a doubling down mood.
  • ok, danger zones.. right now, 1099, 1087, 1070, 1037
  • skynard
    USD & VIX gaining!
  • Schwerepunkt
    turning off the mad-man; switching to Olympics or something.
  • Nightwind
    /dx, dollar has hit lower daily support line, could be bottom of possible triangle.
  • The airfrance flight has just passed over NYSE.... expect the worst
  • FranceHasTheBomb
    Not sure what it means, but it sounds ominous.
  • was joking with schwere's astro-trading, i prefer boeing-trading (even airbus trading) bigger gravity pull.

    decide to joke with a probable nexus time for a bounce/crossover on stochastics
  • FranceHasTheBomb
    I just get worried when an Air France jet passes over. You never know what it might be carrying. ;-)
  • Gold_Gerb
  • french ... :-S

    they're so snobish they take a concorde to the office

    (i was in paris when it crashed)
  • Gold_Gerb
    <sigh> coincidence, causality, yada yada.
    are you drinking?</sigh>
  • nopes, I was watching some stochastics and expected crossover or bounce near 12:00
  • gregn
    I think we might paint an inverse h&s on $SPX. http://screencast.com/t/ZTBiMjA1
  • gregn
    The fact that the SEC passed that short sale law and there wasn't that big of an outcry from the big money makes me feel that they are expecting a big drop in near future.
  • hmm interesting. why would you expect no big outcry BECAUSE they are expecting a drop?
  • gregn
    There is more money to be taken if there are less short sellers. 'Big money' makes money by taking the other side of the trade when the other side is heavily crowded.
  • yeah but the lifeblood of prop trading is to squeeze retail shorts.
  • gregn
    Not when the trend is changing...
  • because they know how to circunvent it and retail traders don't?
  • Schwerepunkt
    It's an unworkable rule. Too many price discovery locations now. I have no idea how they can enforce it, especially with Dark Pools.
  • see what i mean?
  • 1094 opens door down to 1037... interesting
  • I_got_Prechterized
    treasuries hitting their HOD too? I guess it's illegal to short anything the Gov't wants to go higher.
  • I_got_Prechterized
    arggh, had to hold my nose and go long ES here. I haven't been long ES in months. My capitulation is probably a good sign for you bears.
  • Gold_Gerb
    you fell on the long knife, so Banannaben wouldn't have too!
    man! feel the love.
  • bananaben
    Thank you! I was thinking of sacraficing myself yesterday by going long for the sake of all remaining rats. Market would tank for sure.
  • RATS!! this is no Lester school, you're here to bank coin, not throw it away, do your trick but because you believe the trade, better have a proud bull around than a shamed bear with fake horns crying around
  • second fast backtest...bounce or fall?
  • ok, nobody commented so I'm resaying... short now might be intereting for eay 1093 hard 1087, confirmation to be announced but looks promising
  • Schwerepunkt
    I hope you are correct. We have not challenged the overnight high. I need to get out of my losing ES 1097.25 short. I bumbled by not stepping out ~1097 ES. Kicking myself.

    You basing the call on hamster bands?
  • that 10am buying was unfortunately quite bullish short-term.
    i just bot ES1103 and i'll be scalping long against my swing and core short positions (from ES1096) until there are signs of a reversal

    if the current HOD 1106 breaks, then we could make a marginal new high of 1113
    if it holds and we can re-pierce 1100, then we can test yesterday's low imo
  • are you using the hamster bands or did you get the same numbers diferently?
  • using hindy math (:
    fade (then pierce?) 1105.25
    fade (then pierce?) 1109.5
    fade (then pierce?) 1113
  • 52 hours BBs?
  • no, but similar.
    for the current game plan i'm using smas, emas, keltner, fibs, trendlines, prior resistances, POC, and pivot/R1
  • i use mostly BB's (that come with their ma's) wave count, eyeballed fibs and some unhortodox stochastics, BTW we're minutes away from an explosive drop or bounce
  • Gold_Gerb
    no moons?
  • full moon is this sunday
    and march 1st is an important inflection point in the bradley siderograph.

    next month, mars and pluto will make the news flow more negative, with more emphasis on debt and surprise geopolitical events possible. i'll be watching for GLD and SPX to decouple
  • and at 12:00 the air france plane will fly over NYSE disrupting both human and silicon neural nets...
  • Schwerepunkt
    Closer to the ground, the Euro is due for a minor pullback at the least, but it's still sitting above R2.
  • i warned that if 136.3 was broken we'd get more... unless this was an headfake and closes below 136.3 expect another 2 dollar... 138.6
  • Schwerepunkt
    I expect a retest of R1 and DMH at 1.3608 and 1.362 respectively. Hopefully, those levels act as magnets.
  • for 1094 yes, for 1087 other bands, for 1070 on hamsters
  • gregn
    /ES right at downtrend line: http://screencast.com/t/MjBkZmUyY we typically fall off the map on the third retest of downtrend line. I have some front month calls in some strong stocks that I got at LOD. Going to add stops to lock in gains.
  • Schwerepunkt
    U think we'll break down here?
  • gregn
    To me, it doesn't feel like we will, I was just pointing out the risk of dropping due to /es trendline. $SPX broke out of the down trend http://screencast.com/t/MWRlMWZiO
  • ricebowl
    Watch for a break of 1103.44 for a downward channel forming on the 2-min.
  • I_got_Prechterized
    goodbye dollar, hello ramping equities.
  • SH^RK
    where are the bears?
  • ricebowl
    In Vancouver watching the games, it would seem.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Must be big short covering in Euro. up more than a penny since 10AM.
  • 1100.5 will confirm (or not)
  • SHORT now to 1094, the rest is up day
  • Hope so, I'll unload my short.
  • and if 1087 is breached 1070 sounds sexy
  • Hope it isn't one of those boring flat sideways day.
  • feeling a failed 5th....
  • don't unload at 1094 unless it turns fast, 1087 can be in store...
  • Schwerepunkt
    Lingering above 1100 is making me nervous.
  • gatopeich
    It might have been a f***ing headfake into the Euro close, to make the month look good on indexes.
  • ricebowl
    You are Spanish, right? If so then I say: que así sea...
  • Schwerepunkt
    Europe closed. We need to start coming down NOW.
  • ricebowl
    We turned it around at Wednesday's HOD.
  • Gold_Gerb
    whew, for a second I thought you said HOB!
    [forbidden ya know, wink wink]
  • randomwalker
    Found this interesting it will sure help continued treasury auctions.

    From briefing.com (yesterday):

    In addition to a disappointing lot of data, participants had to grapple with gains by the greenback. The dollar garnered support amid news that Moody's believes ratings on Greece hinge on the country's fiscal reform follow through. Though that comment didn't offer anything new, it had substance in the sense that Moody's is the last ratings agency to have an A2 rating on Greek sovereign debt. An A2 rating is required of a country to exchange its bonds with the European Central Bank as collateral for loans under rules that will go into effect at the end of this year. Failure to maintain such a rating could prove problematic as Greece attempts to remedy its fiscal woes.

    We'll know by m/e March according to Bloomberg

  • It's only fair, if UK gets to keep its rating, so should Greece. :)
  • randomwalker
    Yes I see that the deficit is the same percentage..what a miss on UK biz investment data yestdy..-5.8 vs .1
    expected. Are you playing GBP?
  • Have been looking into it but i hold no position at the moment. GBPJPY seems like a rollercoaster, wel... they all do these days.
  • randomwalker
    Look at FXB..down again today..I've been playing FXC like a masochist dummy shmuck ..if GBP goes to par with EUR..wow
  • CorporalCarrot
    Have a great day everyone, I have to rush................say a prayer (or whatever it is you do) that Wales beat France tonight. Its our only hope of retaining the championship!!!

    Stay lucky!!!!
  • gsavli
    wales vs france, ireland champinonship... It can only be rugby or cricket.
  • Gold_Gerb
    bloody hell [I love swearing in true English] ;-)
  • or a "we love brits" meeting
  • gsavli
    lol, yea, on a cricket match (hint: bats). Otherwise, I think Ireland is having grudge against France.
  • n2thezonez
    The brief decline at around 10 a.m. reversed at the 38.2% retrace of yesterday's up move, right on the penny.
  • tradejane
    Very, very tall green candle on the 10 min. DAX after bouncing from 5530 again = short squeeze ON.
  • I_got_Prechterized
    are market drops allowed or did Obama and Bernanke make those illegal too? To me, it looks like the same old broken clock. Drops are being bought right away preventing any further damage. I'm thinking we close about 1108-1110 on the cash and gap above resistance Monday.

    Looks like this won't stop until anyone with a bearish bias is effectively wiped out. they'll get to the bulls later. now is the time to wipe out the bears.
  • ricebowl
    "It's always darkest before dawn."
  • Anyone for a short with a stop at 1106.2?
  • momac
    Excellent commentary gmak. I agree, we're in the twilight zone, everything is freaky. :-) Stay safe!!!
  • Limbo land - read my post from Wednesday.
  • Let's Limbo!

    BTW boss, what do I get for 5.000 posts (and soon 5.000 ES posts)?
  • gsavli
    probably a unique chance to write another 5000. I know, I wouldn't mind...
  • unique? as in after an aditional 5.000 no more?
  • gsavli
    no, as in "nobody else so far has been given this chance" :)
  • CorporalCarrot
    lol the editorial staff at Zerohedge had such a field day yesterday filled with righteous indignation at the sheer audacity of the market in recovering some of the losses, so I wonder what tedium will face us this evening.

    Short odds on some of the following terms to appear in the headlines

    (1) Quant Algos
    (2) HFT's
    (3) "as the 2 remaining computers trading this market swap the same shares back and forth"
    (4) Skynet
    (5) PPT

    While including ironic references to main street, home sales blah de blah.
  • ricebowl
    Maybe the PPT is Skynet running some quant HFT algos.
  • And Robocop, don't forget about "dead or a live, you're coming with me Lloyd!"
  • gmak
    SPX daily is getting stopped at the top of the megaphone channel. I didn't even see this previously, but someone last night had an elegant chart that showed these. Very interesting, no?
    IF this upper trend line holds, then the B-C Gartley wave will be a slow one down into the nose of the wedge with the "Since Oct 2nd" trend line.

    http://www.uploadgeek.com/share-3827_4B87DB11.html
  • texpresso
    close to week open, finishing green for week looks likely-- on the other hand, ZB up to 118'29 at 10, big stop sign in my book. issues red but TRIN neutral, doubt today is red. thus, will take gains on some longs today, go to cash
  • Ladies and Rats... just found out

    The hamster has passed the 5.000 comments (and certainly by today's end 5.000 at ES)

    Update if you are curious which one it was (Edited it to mark the occasion)

    HAMSTER 5.000 - TINFOIL HATS AVAILABLE
  • Gold_Gerb
    Congrats.
    tinfoil is below me. Can I get a coffee mug?
  • Coffee mugs are reserved for a special event

    the flip-flop hamster cofee mug

    (upside down, per definition empty mug) DOW 10.000 - HAMSTER 1.000
    (normal position, for full cup) HAMSTER 10.000 - DOW 1.000 / HAMSTER WINS!
  • ricebowl
    Can I get it in a high-quality t-shirt?
  • I don't sell t-shirts, that's higher management stuff, I'm just the janitor
  • momac
    :-)
  • They are printing red shirts - not sure when those will be done. Hopefully soon.
  • CorporalCarrot
    Some more observations on potential technical areas (excluding ewt etc).

    I don't know if anyone remembers the famous rectangle on the spx that was painted a couple of months back. Its interesting to me that the bounce from the lows has stopped near the upper consolidation point of that rectangle.

    I recall a post on bulkowski's pattern site way back then, while that rectangle was forming, where he posited stats that the first move out of that pattern is usually the wrong one, and did a projection of what such a move would look like, should the breakout be upwards.

    I've attached that as the purple line on this chart, which was painted when the data beyond the end of the rectangle had not yet been written.

    Its playing out pretty good so far.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&yr=0&mn=4&dy=0&id=p48842952752&a=192471838

    The upper reaches of this rectangle should contain plenty of stops which should act as resistance here, as there was so much congestion over such a long period of time. This corresponds with the 10,400 type area on the dow.

  • texpresso
    IMO you are overthinking. look at the ES daily chart, 1105 resistance is still intact, even after a new quarter. barring new info, that is what the market is worth, go with it (humbly submitted!)
  • CorporalCarrot
    lol I'm not overthinking at all. I do the least, most unscientific looks at things, and go by feel. These levels just look good to me.

    To prove it, I'm actually off to the pub right now to get set up for the rugby tonight.

    Heres hoping the Welsh do the Irish a favour and beat France!!!!!!
  • texpresso
    funny, i was just thinking about throwing some whiskey in my coffee-- its the weekend somewhere, right? have fun
  • gmak
    Looks like that weird channel is holding sway. SPX sure got punched down to below 1100. Was it the existing home sales data? How could it be unexpected that it would fail to meet expectations?
  • bananaben
    Markets just waiting around for Existing Home Sales number. It should be bad but that means more rallying right? HFTs are sitting there waiting to pounce on any sell-off.
  • The Unknown Trader
    I'm a relatively newcomer to trading, so there is a high probability I am missing something. But does it matter that the 50 day MAs of the indexes are still pointing up? I was told that means the markets are still in an uptrend. How successful wll any shorting strategy be beyond the brief pullbacks we've been getting? Wouldn't it be better to wait for the trend to turn down?
  • ricebowl
    I'm sure many traders use that, but the MAs will always point up at the start of every downtrend 100% of the time. The MAs don't lead the market which is why you use a couple of them in tandem to measure market activity. We recently got a black cross. We got a golden cross last June/July after which the market rallied another 200 points.
  • The Unknown Trader
    I guess my real question is, "How good an idea is it to try to pick tops?" Isn't it more high probability to short after a downtrend is in place?
  • CorporalCarrot
    It is if you are disciplined enough to genuinely wait for a confirmed downtrend before shorting. But what is painfully obvious to me, is that for the last 9 months, most people who adopt this policy start to panic that they are going to miss the bulk of the downturn, and end up shorting before a downtrend is actually confirmed. They then end up effectively shorting bounce points, and getting hosed on the way back up. i.e the exact opposite of the sell high/buy low policy which I prefer to adopt.

    So if you aren't disciplined, and your TA is not 100% spot on, then IMO selling rallies works better than trying to sell after a fall.
  • The Unknown Trader
    Right. That was my next question for ricebowl. Why not wait for rallies in a downtrend and short them.
  • CorporalCarrot
    You sir are teh winnar!!!! However, as Guru Mole has pointed out many times, if P3 is truly here, many of the rallies will be far greater and more vicious than you can imagine. This current one has already gone beyond what many people predicted.

    just make sure you are trading within yourself, with proper position size.
  • The Unknown Trader
    Were you talking to me CC? *Edit* I see that you were.

    "Just make sure you are trading within yourself, with proper position size."

    Sounds like good advice no matter what the time frame. :)
  • ricebowl
    That's called swing trading. But of course the problem there is that you have to avoid being late to the party -- late entries end up shorting the bottom. I like swing trading, but I suck at it and always end up shorting the bottom or longing the top, so I don't do it anymore.

    The most profitable way to trade is to enter a long-term position with a solid long-term view and walk away from the terminal. Combine that with proper risk management and you can do pretty well.
  • I_got_Prechterized
    that sounds like investing
  • The Unknown Trader
    "The most profitable way to trade is to enter a long-term position with a solid long-term view and walk away from the terminal. Combine that with proper risk management and you can do pretty well."

    What if you wait for a downtrend and short the rallies?

    Your comment about swing trading not working for you resonates with me. Actually I like swing trading. One of the pieces of advice I read often is to find out what fits best with your personality and go with it.
  • ricebowl
    I've noticed that even in a bear market you can get more days up than down, but the down days wipe out all the gains and then some making it a bear market. Timing them is close to impossible, and unless you do time them just right, short-term trading is a losing deal. I would suggest that in a bear market because the moves down tend to be fast and sharp you long bottoms with a tight stop or trailing stop (even easier!). Just look at the daily chart over the last month. Most days are flat, and there are maybe 4 large down days that account for almost all of the losses. Could you have predicted all of them?

    It has been my experience that people generally want to think positively about the market and the economy. ("Maybe if I stick my head in the sand it will all be okay. Right?") That combined with steady input from 401K contributions and conventional "wisdom" that you never lose money in the stock market over the long-term tends to push the market up, up, up in ponzi fashion *even* in bear markets. Shorting is *really* hard.
  • CorporalCarrot
    A man after my own heart!!
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