EWP Option Strategies – Part 3

Alright, Evil Rat Academy is officially in session again – and there could be no better time as the tape has been flatlining all day. So, let’s make this a productive day before we head into the weekend.

It’s time for the 3rd part in our ongoing EWI sponsored series on option strategies. The following post is excerpted from the Elliott Wave International (EWI) eBook, “How to Use the Elliott Wave Principle to Improve Your Options Trading Strategies — Vertical Spreads.” EWI has agreed to make the full eBook available for free to all Evil Speculator readers until the conclusion of this series. So go ahead and download it here if you want to study ahead – however I would appreciate it if we kept all discussions limited to the current chapter.

Last week we reviewed a real life example of a bear put spread on the Euro futures which showed us the appropriate entry and exit points in the wave cycle. We also used the Fibonacci guidelines of expansion to determine our stop as well as our expected exit (which is near the short leg of our debit spread). If you missed the chapter then I strongly recommend you go back and study it before continuing here. You can also pull up all prior installments of the the entire series via this link.

This week we push into the 2nd chapter of the eBook:

Chapter 2: Bull Call Ladder and Bear Put Ladder

Fig. 15

The next strategy is the “bull call ladder,” sometimes referred to as the long call ladder. (And of course its counterpart, the “bear put ladder.”) Figure 15 lists the major aspects of this strategy: We buy an at-the-money call (or an in-the-money call), sell an out-of-the-money call, and sell a further out-of-the-money call. This is a moderately bullish, short-term (about one month) approach that produces a net debit. Maximum risk is uncapped. We have an uncovered option with the further OTM short call. The maximum reward that we can make is the difference between the middle strike and the lower strike, less the net debit. And, we have two breakevens: The long strike plus the net debit, and then, the total of the short strikes minus the long strike minus the net debit. Initially, as prices rise, we’ll break even just by moving up to cover the net debit. Of course, our maximum profit will be at the first OTM short call strike, and we come up to our next breakeven after the second OTM short call strike, after which point we begin to lose money.

I want to say a few things about uncapped risk, because there are two pairs of strategies in this course that have uncapped risk: the bull call ladder and bear put ladder, and the ratio call spread and ratio put spread. This is not academic. This is real and true. In options, the notion of a “stop loss” is not as safe as it is with futures.  If you want to exit a position at a certain level, either where the price of the underlying asset is trading or at a certain premium, you can put an order into a broker. However, there’s no guarantee that you’re going to get out on a dime. As a matter of fact, if it’s a fast-moving market, you may not even get a quote in options. And so, I’m not going to use the term “stop-loss order” with options because it’s misleading. It implies that you can achieve some type of immediate liquidation at a specific price point, but you really can’t.

Fig. 16

On paper, this strategy is akin to an extension of the bull call spread. We’re getting a little bit more income on the second short call, and we’re creating a second higher breakeven for ourselves. We’re also keeping the strategy short-term, because with uncapped risk we don’t want to allow for too much time. And, of course, with the bear put ladder, we have the same type of structure except that we’re betting on prices to decline (see Figure 16).

Fig. 17

So, what are the optimal Elliott wave characteristics for a bull call ladder and a bear put ladder? Well, again, we’re talking about a countertrend move. We have limited profit potential, and, of course, we have uncapped risk. Wave position is exactly the same as the previous pair of structures: Waves 2, 4, B, D, and X, and we’re looking for a zigzag. We want to get this over quickly and get out. We want a sharp move. We want to enter in the middle stages of those wave positions, either Wave C of 2 or Wave Y of 2, for example, because we don’t have much time to work with. And of course, the pièce de résistance — a provocative wave prior at next lower degree: i.e. an ending diagonal, truncated fifth or fifth-wave extension that will lead to a swift and sharp reversal. The final point can’t be overstated: “Always rely on Elliott wave rules and guidelines.” In particular, wave 2 always retraces less than 100% of wave 1; wave 4 can never end in the price territory of wave 1; and wave B of a zigzag can never go beyond the start of wave A.

Once more, I’m not necessarily recommending that you all go out and use this strategy. It’s a strategy that some people employ. But if you’re going to go there, you might as well know how to improve it by using Elliott wave analysis.

Mole here again: Alright, I am going to stop right here to make sure all this sinks in thoroughly. It’s essential you guys completely grasp the basics before we press on. Digest this for a while and next Friday it’ll be time to see an example of how to use ladders on an actual price chart.

Have a great weekend!

Cheers,

Mole

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  • jaxon
  • SvenA
    Well, if true then we'd all die, so it wouldn't matter if you were short or long. This is baseless worst case speculation, a scary tale for adults. I wouldn't worry. I think the fallout from the chinese rating agency that downgraded US today will have more impact on the markets (though I guess that rating will be brushed off as "one for the funny pages").
  • jaxon
    The fact that there is a news blackout speaks volumes. No news is ALWAYS bad news.
  • SvenA
    Sure, it's probably much worse than they're letting on.
  • jacksoo
    I find it increasingly disturbing that the land of the free imposes such restrictions - - no idea whether this is a true story/possibly but the restrictions being applied to the freedom of information in the US - always under the auspicies of being the right thing for you - - is truly worrying.
  • Guest
    "The bottom line: BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling operation may have triggered an irreversible, cascading geological Apocalypse that will culminate with the first mass extinction of life on Earth in many millions of years."

    An Extinction Level Event? Now that would be the Mother of all Black Swans. And to think I'm short just based on the wave count....
  • jaxon
    BTW, I like your avatar. Edvard Munch. The German Expressionists. Do you remember the Dan Quail bumper sticker?
  • vidosole
    ....Norwegian actually....but at least you know his name....
  • jaxon
    That's right, that's where the museum was robbed of his paintings. But
    in art history he is included in European expressionist movement and
    of course the Germans led that movement. My favorite among them is
    George Gross.

    Sent from my iPod
  • jaxon
    The wave count reflects more than just financial events. As Mr. Prechter might suggest it reflects social mood which may be influenced on a subconscious level by events that have yet to happen. Let's face it, we actually only use the pea size portion of our brains and a multitude of folks refuse or are incapable of using much of that.
  • MOS,POT,AGU...look for a 50% retracement down, and then go long at that price. That's the plan.
    What's 50% you might ask? I don't know yet. They may still be going higher.
    This sector was squished, in the latest correction, and won't repeat any of their last lows.
    Bull Call Ladder...That's some hard stuff to keep organized.
  • sirgiyan
    !!! Captain Obvious to the rescue!!!!
    YOU BETTER PAY ATTENTION

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=AAIIBULL:IND

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=AAIIBEAR:IND

    If you are short you are on the wrong side of the boat for at least 3 weeks from no
  • Wave_Surfer
    Thank you Sir for telling me how I must think and what I must do with my money by telling me the obvious, which I would be unable to figure out on my own.
  • sirgiyan
    "Ya, I am guessing that tomorrow it will finish wave 5 of C to finish the sharp wave 2 bounce.
    I am guessing it will end early-ish tomorrow and some of the indexes will top out at the 61.8% mark.
    Should be enough to throw sentiment to a nice wave 2 extreme."

    I'm just warning that instead of throwing sentiment to a "nice wave 2 extreme" the opposite is going on.
    Have a look at OEX put/calls and tell me what you see...
    http://screencast.com/t/MjVjYjc4MW
  • Wave_Surfer
    1) The put/call ratio chart makes a good point and the indexes may shoot up for a few weeks.

    2) Question: When different sentiment indicators give opposing signals, what do you do?

    3) Personally, I wish that graph was a lot larger so I could see things better. I really like the size and proportions of Moles charts. It is easier to see which dot on an indicator matches up with what date and to further help, he often draws vertical lines so you can see what he is looking at. I think that even if the chart was larger and more clear, you are probably right that it would give essentially the same message, however it might not necessarily be quite the slam dunk you think it is. Again, it was hard because of the the daily info was so small and large movements in the SPX took up so little vertical space. I spent about 15 minutes by typing in command-shift-4 which then gave me a cross hair cursor with the exact pixel count, so I could see what patterns below matched with what patterns above. Again, if I could see it better, it would probably communicate close to what you are trying to say, but maybe not quite as definitive as you might think.

    4) If I was to use that sentiment indicator instead of what I am using, I would probably want more clear instruction on the proper way to use it. Which moving average of the P/C ratio do you use? They the different SMA point to different sized moves? By contrast Mole has several times extremely clearly described exactly what to look at when say looking at the VIX.

    5) Since before I even came to E-Speculator, I was already a fan of VIX and also a fan of Bollinger bands, I actually already was using 80% of Moles rules. Also, for me, in the past, I remember placing a trade or 2 that was heavily influenced by P/C ratio and it did not treat me well. By contrast, several months back I placed a losing trade and later remembered that I forgot to look at the VIX in bollinger bands and if I had done that and paid attention to it, I would not have placed that losing trade.

    6) I am not sure I will actually post the charts because it is fairly easy for anyone to see themselves and I think I only posted 1 chart once, and I already forgot how I did it.
    Anyway, when I look at the VIX in bollinger bands that being short here looks to me like being short on
    May 13
    June 03
    June 21
    which would have served me rather well.

    In fact, the more I look at it, the more comfortable I am with my position.
    However, I still see your point and there may be other sentiment measures that have a similar message, so I will definitely keep an eye out for a strong wave developing up.

    So far, it seems to be developing completely inline with what I was expecting. I was expecting more upward movement on Friday. I also won't be shocked by a move up when Monday opens. It might be like June 21 again.
    But both the way the indexes and the VIX are bouncing around the bollinger bands are matching my current wave count.

    Furthermore, my puts are in DIA and I noticed that even after the 2 upward movements on Friday, it still was just shy of the 61.8% retracement, so another quick pop on Monday is actually what I am thinking will probably happen. And I won't freak out if it goes 0.1% higher than the 61.8%. If it starts going strongly past the 78% retracement, then I will have to give serious consideration to my wave count.

    Sometimes the P/C ratio proves to be effective though, so I will keep an eye out on it.

    In a few days we will see which sentiment measure serves us better.
    Good luck.
  • sirgiyan
    Thanks a lot. My take on these P/Cs and sentiment readings are as follows. We are at the intermediate (2-3 months) bottom. We might go and test those lows once again. (In fact I think we go up next week and then down towards August 1st) but my point is that you can simply buy S&P here and sell when these ratios come to the opposite extreme. If you want to catch more - then I agree that $VIX indeed is telling us of a coming correction, but I doubt it would be significant.
  • Wave_Surfer
    First of all thanks for recognizing that it does not help to create productive conversation when you kick down the door of a place you rarely visit and then YELL "You must all do what I tell you! You are all wrong and I am right, because I KNOW for a fact what the future holds and all of you are wrong! Oh and btw, this is all obvious, so all of you are extremely stupid!"

    I would guess that if some one introduced themselves to you that way, you would not tend to listen very well to them either.

    Secondly, unless you have a special modified Delorian (sp?) you don't actually know what the future holds, so adamantly rude arrogance does not fit in productive conversation.

    Thirdy, because you said, "Have a look at OEX put/calls and tell me what you see..." and because you are at least willing enough to at least pretend enough to listen to what I say to dig up a quote, I see that you are open to having respectful, productive conversation and so I will go a little out of my way to respond to you in a respectful and productive way.

    Time to eat now, but after that, I will put together a response.
  • sirgiyan
    Thanks in advance
  • LOL :-)
  • sirgiyan
    LOL :-)
  • SvenA
  • Malc0lm
    Thanks; You're right:
    http://tinyurl.com/27vszpj

    There was on exception in January 2008 in the 3 of 1; but difficult to bet on that...

    Need to cover my ESU0 it seems...
    Not sure about EUR/USD but better get out or cover too.
  • Wave_Surfer
    Interesting because that is exactly where I think we are right now. Wave 3 of 1.
    It doesn't seem to difficult to bet on that after waves 1 and 2 of wave 1, personally.
  • Hi sirgiyan, Short BRCM, FFIV.
    Am I going to get killed?
    Also, staying on the short side on Gold stocks, on any pop-ups.
    I like your charts...buy the dips, on the other sectors, and 3 weeks? I like 8 weeks, better. Buy the DIPS for 8 weeks.
  • jigdaddy
    anybody getting 1066.50 read on ES from TOS?
  • Tooncez
    Mine says 1072.25 as the close of the last candle of Friday... It's closed, right?
  • Wave_Surfer
    I have S&P500 index (aka SPX) closing at 1077.96 on Friday
    and the last futures quote (aka ES) as 1072.50
  • Malc0lm
    FYI, my nick changed sdesse -> Malc0lm (not that I am posting alot but just to let you know)
    The avatar is my head hanging on the wall...

    Need advise BTW. I almost bought the bottom (sounds stupid later, but at this time we were just taking a support in something like P3.(1).[iii].(i) or whatever). My leverage is not too important (2 short ESU0 and 1 short ECU0) and I can stand the loss (sleep without drugs) until now but shall we go higher 1000~1020 it will become difficult to stand. Thinking to cover but I am pretty sure that if I press the buy button this tape will fall hard in the following candle on a 5 minutes chart...

    My idea is on EUR/USD the end of a C started and resume of the downtrend;
    S&P ED finished. But I'm used to see the market going right in the opposite direction so I'm kind of suspicious.The ED could be the end of a 3 not the end of the whole pattern also.

    Any idea to manage to go through?
  • Malc0lm
    Also,
    BDI is falling like rock, VIX is getting close to the lower BB and CPCE is showing rising optimism so that's why I'm (I was) pretty confident. On the other hand have a look at this chart (sorry mole nothing fancy)
    A weekly chart of Citi on log scale;
    If we're really in a triangle it will take ages (5~10 weeks) to complete!! will be painful :(
    (but could be a 1-2, 1-2 - and not a triangle - and fall now).
    Seb
  • That is what I am talking about. On a trend week, all I see is bearish comments. I used a candle to find a bullish comment. None, nada, zip.

    A true bear will save enough strength (=money) for the D-day. The bears that are here, will have no money left. Let's be honest, you don't own a printing press. And for you to sell short, you have to sell from high to low. You have to have more money to sell than to buy.


    Hmmmm
  • Bob the Horse
    I've been posting bullish comments here for the last two months on European markets - just have been away last two weeks. If you don't like the tone of the debate, why not try to contribute? It's a free world, you don't have to post here. Just not sure what your comments are hoping to achieve - it's not exactly searing insight is it?

    This whole permabear debate is boring - most people on this site are trying to make p&l, if that wasn't the case I wouldn;t post here. The permabears tend to disappear to other blogs.
  • "I've been posting bullish comments here for the last two months on European markets - just have been away last two weeks. "

    Aren't you wrong 100% of the time?
  • Bob the Horse
    when do you think european markets bottomed?
  • gsavli
    ad hominem never gets you far.

    just post your view of the market, that will do. there's no need to mock other traders for being on the wrong side of the trade - this happens to all of us.
    just my 2 cents.

    (you don't have to reply to this post, just ignore it if you disagree with me)

  • BobbyLow
    Exactly Bob.

    You and I can agree on market direction or we can agree to disagree. But even when there is disagreement, you always give thought provoking reasons as to why you did what you did and I respect that. I don't think I can remember you telling anybody else what to do and I don't either.

    One of the best things about this blog is that most of us will put out there what we have done and sometimes we're right and sometimes we're wrong and that's the end of it.

    But to criticize an entire blog for being too bearish when most of us are trading both ways at least in the short term is ill-advised to say the least.

  • DarthTrader
    No money Left? when the purchases have already been made? When the option strategies only offer opportunities to improve one's standing with each vibration up & down.

    TickerStreet you judge that which you know not.

    Perhaps it would be wise to try and learn rather than prejudge from a position of ignorance
  • My above post has a previous background which most here understand. :) I am just trying to steer the good talent here in the right direction, which is unbiased, bidirectional trading.
  • Fearless
    I never do directional trading - too much risk both to my account or my health. I pick a side but double options on the other side. My breakeven point is therefore away from my entry, but this strategy allows me to make money even if I turn out substantially wrong.
  • Sounds crazy, if you are not right on direction, there is limited chance of making any significant money...
    Selling options is great, but the spreads have limited potential, and the naked sells have unreasonable risk.
  • Tooncez
    Just curious, are talking about simple put protection, for example? Can you give a real example?
  • Fearless
    Mole,

    Do you remember or if you still have data showing where the NYMO settled at the end of Minute 2 of Minor 3 of Intermediate 1 of Primary 1? Please let me know.

    I don't think the bulltards are doing themselves any favor right now pushing the NYMO to 53.6 leaving relatively little room to run up higher. We'll see, my straddles should work pretty well though.
  • Bobby:

    Regarding Short Call Ladders - is this what you are talking about?

    Is this what you are talking about?

    http://screencast.com/t/MzVjNDliMTc

    If so it looks interesting...
  • BobbyLow
    Yes Sir.

    That is the correct recipe where you have equal parts of Long ATM Calls, Long OTM Calls and Short ITM Calls.

    This time I happened to use $3.00 between the Strikes. The distance between Strikes is up to one's risk tolerance.

    If you have the ability and or the luck to be able to Leg into these things it's even better but it's not necessary to do that.

    Above all, like I said earlier what I like the most about these things is that it is set up to have Limited risk while Theoretically possible to have Unlimited Profit.

    It's also flexible enough so that after a run up to be able to adjust it and make it less bullish while limiting risk by changing it into a 2:1 simple ratio spread.

    BTW, the Bearish Version of this is called a Short Put Ladder where the recipe is: Equal portions of Long ATM Puts, Long OTM Puts and Short ITM Puts.

    What I like about both of these is that they have break even points in either direction. And it is possible to make money in either direction with the most profit being available on the best directional move that fits whether you use Short Call Ladder (Bullish) or Short Put Ladder (Bearish).
  • Well, I think you made a great contribution to this thread - very much appreciated.

    1+
  • BobbyLow
    Oh BTW, did y'all happen to notice how they brought everything back down after the close as they "settled" price.

    That last candle on Zero is sweet.

    What a game.

  • I was thinking the same thing when I saw that candle.
  • Clint
    This market really loves an oil rally. Even BP was up 15% this week.(Back to 34 off of 29)- If oil goes back to 80,I think it leads the market higher.If it goes back below 70..well then down we go again.
  • BobbyLow
    Well that probably makes a lot of sense to this market. After all, once consumers get back to a national average of over $3 to $3.50 per gallon gasoline again, they'll want to spend like there's no tomorrow. High gasoline prices are good for the economy- good for America -good for the World and World Markets.

    And that's the way Wall Street probably thinks and either they are fucking crazy or I am. But only in "nominal" terms of course. :(

  • Clint
    Well...Oil stocks,and oil service stocks do make up a large portion if the S&P 500...so course the"market" would much rather have them making gobs of money than having the average consumer have a little more money in his/her pocket, or the small business owner have lower operating costs. No...we just can't have that.
  • BobbyLow
    Yep. That's about it Clint. It's a damn shame it has come to this. But I suppose "every dog will have it's day". So we'll see what happens. :)

    In the mean time, y'all have a great weekend and we'll be ready to do battle again on Monday.
  • Clint
    You too. Can't wait for Monday...whatever she brings.
  • Guest
    Saving graces: gold above $1200 and silver above $18. Take that JPM and enjoy the Hamptons.
  • DudePlunger
    Just shorted 1 /ES @ 1074, went long 1 /NQ @ 1813.75 as a hedge for a light short position.

    The high of June 29th (the most recent powerful trend day lower) was 1074.75. I do not expect it to be easy for the market to surpass this figure for multiple days without a meaningful retrace to the 1050-1040 region. But it might not happen immediately, so I'd rather be light short with the option to buy another NQ if we end up flying higher earlier than expected (though its doubtful, we're up 70handles off the low we made earlier this week.)

    If we retrace back to the 1040s, I expect to be a buyer of another NQ to hedge some of my profits on the light short and in anticipation of a bounce. I favor the long side for the rest of the summer, but just in case we have a surprise crash (it is P3 afterall), I want the option to be able to sell 1 or 2 /ES on breakdowns.
  • BobbyLow
    Can you believe 46% of Daily Spy Volume.

    Like I said earlier, they must have only had 1/2 the HFT - PPT Machines turned on today.
  • Guest
    Lack of power typical of third world banana republics.
  • Clint
    Monday should be interesting. Could be melt-up or melt down.
  • BobbyLow
    FBOW, I just took 1/3 of my Short Put Hedges off on IWM for +33%.

    I also got another life on a bad trade because I was able to cover my December 80 Short Puts for a small profit that I had put on as a hedge. I had put them on a while back when volatility was way too low and they have been under performing ever since. So now I have a bunch of December 90's that are unencumbered along with Lottery Tickets of March 65's and 60's and December 105's locked in a $7.50 Beat Put Spread.

    Also have 2:1 moderately bullish ratio Spreads on SPY and XLE for August.

    Still have dry powder but I'm not sure I can stand another round of Better than expected, Not as Bad as Expected and Worse than Expected but in a good kind of way Parade of Earnings Bullshitorama. :(
  • Exactly what I was suspecting last evening is happening:

    http://content.screencast.com/users/mmehrle/folders/Jing/media/a73e4480-a68b-4050-83df-037ba1a1903d/00001732.png

    Folks, this could get very ugly fast - FX bulls are on a tear.
  • psycho_puppies
    Ugly for bulls or bears?
  • For the bears - seems like the bears are not even trying to fight this. We should have turned today and although my paranoia whispered in my ear after I saw the AUD/JPY last night I didn't think we'd see yet another melt up. The bulls are large and in charge and we are most likely looking at the 'summer of pain' scenario I have been proposing.

    I know it sucks - what can I say - we live in interesting times dominated by HFTs.
  • sorry boss Mole, but the hamster has 2 small comments to fight bull fever

    1. vix holding >24 support from sma104 and sma208
    2. another "brutal" +0.2 from BPSPX... for a grand total of 1.5 in 3 days

    this ramp is spelling BULLshit so far
  • elliott_surfs
    coulda sworn I heard fade the noise from someone around here..... ;)

    the "bears", or people riding the current flow, stepped back and let the "bulls" retrace this ebbing move fast. I would expect we continue into early - midweek before continuing with our downward flow. let 'em make the puts cheaper, why not?
  • Expiry week...just saying
  • jigdaddy
    i still think we get a pull back and thats where i will roll out of december puts......

  • jigdaddy
    i think he meant bears
  • Tronacate
    Which pair is that.....can't read without my mags
  • Guest
    AUD/JPY
  • Tronacate
    Thanks......what I thought
  • Tronacate
    Who the hell knows??? The trannie non-confirmation might show us new highs like before. I might just call it a year before I grind my account away....
  • jigdaddy
    waiting for a pull back to go long....we sold off 200 ES points....its not going to be easy for the bears...i think atilla was right..
  • Tooncez
    New Gld vs Slv sell line post flash crash?
    http://screencast.com/t/ZGVmNzAw
  • SvenA
    A flash crash right now would be a suitably evil weekend close
  • bshah
    bastards will take it to 1080 in last 2 minutes.. It's like a that CARS movie, they will extend their filthy tongue just enough to be happy on the other side of line..
  • DudePlunger
    I've been waiting for 1075-1080 for the last two days. I like that area to get light short. It gives me options to play the rest of the summer in either direction. I think there is a good chance we pull back to the 1040 level before we break out and test 1100. Then, we'll either break right through the 1040 level and have all the bulls shaking their heads or we see some volatility, some fakeouts, and then a powerful move higher for a bullish run into late July and August.
  • jigdaddy
    i agree 100%...i dont think we pull back to low 1000s anytime soon...
  • Clint
    Well,closing well over $SPX 1070 today will NOT be a bearish signal. Not to mention closing well over 10,150 on the DJIA. Lets put it this way..I"m not going to be holding any June puts over the weekend. They hi-jacked a lot of bear money this week...my bet is they will try real hard not to give any of it back to them next week.
  • subevil
    Same, I'm not going to hold any June puts.
    Its July already
    I'm happy for you Clint :)
  • Clint
    Well good...whatever makes you happy. Next week should be interesting. :)
  • skynard
    WWWWWWWEEEEEEEEE!
  • psycho_puppies
    It's kind of sad if bears get excited this easily.
  • skynard
    Ya, it's short term.
  • Fearless
    Wow, my timing calculation may really turn out to be my biggest and best weapon. I have this afternoon/early Monday marked for "big short". I will just use straddles so I don't get screwed over even if we bust to new highs beyond 1131.
  • Tronacate
    TF big phat bearish wedge on the 60 min........
  • elliott_surfs
    this may look like a mess, but here's my road map
    http://screencast.com/t/OTdkOTFjMj
  • Tronacate
    Interesting work there.........my fractuals got blown out of the water
  • elliott_surfs
    lol - interesting is definitely the word
  • BobbyLow
    Mole thanks for talking about Options.

    I had mentioned a couple of times this week on how I had put on two Short Call Ladders which I like better.

    The reason I like Short Call Ladders better than Long Call Ladders is that with Short Call Ladders the trade can be completed with a Credit instead of a Debit. Maximum Gains are Unlimited and Maximum Losses are Capped.

    Of course, for anybody who has not traded Option Spreads this can all sound like some crazy stuff. But I've got to say that I love Spreads. Some of the longer term spreads I leave alone. But on the Shorter term Spreads, I'm always trying to skim profits and take advantage of volatility.

    I've already been able to skim some profits off my Short Call Spreads by taking 2 of the Middle Strike off and 1 Short Strike off for a net profit.

    This has changed the Ladder into a simple 2:1 Ratio Spread with 2 Long : 1 Short. This has also made my Upper BE Lower, Lower BE Higher, and my Maximum Potential Losses have been lowered by 30%.

    The one negative is that I have lowered my potential profit to the upside by taking the middle long strike out. But screw it - I am a Bear after all. :)

    Lastly rather than by more Longer Term Puts today, I will Probably take part of the Short Put Hedge off for profits as their Delta is so Low now that they can hurt me more than help me if we do get that strong push down.
  • Is this what you are talking about?

    http://screencast.com/t/MzVjNDliMTc
  • FYI - equities vastly outpacing AUD/JPY right now. Don't get sucked into the long side.
  • shortcover
    wrote some calls on my XLF...aug 15's...
  • amokta
    Spx hitting the high notes right now !
  • Guest
    Wasn't that a fat lady singing?
  • WTFed
    Thanks Mole.
  • DudePlunger
    Hey mole, these option classes are great, but unfortunately I haven't traded options for over a year. Would you ever consider doing something similar on the futures market? Maybe discussing beta and deltas, longer-term future plays such as spreads with different monthly contracts?
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