Back To The Old Drawing Board

UPDATE 12:16pm EDT: Well, I’ll come right out with it, rats – it’s not looking good for thee ole’ (short term) bearish case. Here’s a preliminary count which also seems to back up current Zero readings:

I’m a bit miffed obviously, as I ignored the early Zero signals and stayed short after this mornings drop. I was married to the idea that we’ll drop further to complete an a-b-c and got punished instantly. The market is a cruel mistress and one’s prejudices are usually dealt with quickly and efficiently. Fortunately I was playing it very very small – which I usually do when trading against the overall trend. So most of the damage was done to my ego.

I’m still a bit puzzled however and have a hard time buying a 1.5 day Minor 2 wave – just don’t feel right. Anyway, until I figure out what exactly is going on I’ll assume that we are in a third wave to the upside – if so then we should not see much flailing about – this sucker should push right through all those fancy fib lines on my chart. Let’s see what happens.

Psychology:

It’s sometimes hard to admit defeat and cut your losses at a point where it’s easy to assume you might be selling out right at the top. I always check my emotional level to make sure my brain is doing the trading. But I think based on what I’ve been seeing today as well as throughout most of March we should not underestimate the conviction of the bulls. It seems every little drop is turning into a buying opportunity and like it or not – that has been the reality for the past month.

And you have to draw the line somewhere – 804 was my line and I did not feel like waiting for 812 (fib line highlighted on the chart). Plus there’s a gap on the SPX I would be surprised if we didn’t fill today. Of course it’s possible the market is turning right here right now – well – if it does then I don’t really know what the fucking count  ;-) Well, scratch that – I would have an idea but it would be ugly.

In any case – I’m watching the Zero for a trend reversal – so far there is little indication for that to be happening.

UPDATE 12:32pm EDT: I decided to post Fujisan’s calendar spread tutorial she graciously posted last week:

This is what I would do for April. First of all, I would be looking at Apr open interests to determine the strike price. There are a sizable open interests at 80, 87, 75, and 70, but 72 has a very huge open interests. This means that the market is expecting SPY to pull back down to 72 area.

Let’s say that I would put on 80 Apr/May SPY calendar. This covers a price range of 75~85.

However, I’m concerned with a huge 72 open interests and this calendar only covers up to 75 for the downside. So, I could buy a cheap OTM butterfly (for $0.06 cents for today’s quote) as an insurance policy, which extends a downside PL curve up to 68:

Now, let’s say that SPY started to move to the upside, and I decided to make an adjustment by adding another 85 calendar (i.e, double calendar);

Or, if I have a strong upside bias, I could add a debit spread to make it as a Diagonal:

Once SPY hits the target of 87, I could sell the debit spread (or the second calendar) to take a profit or close the position altogether. I would probably hang on to the original position once the target is met and hopefully SPY expires right around 80 to make the most money out of it.

After the front month options expires, you can close the back month options, or you could keep them and make another spread by selling the same month options with a different strike price, or you can combine with a credit spread to make it as a directional butterfly or iron condor (if you are interested….).

UPDATE 1:15pm EDT: Okay, I’m going to go outside and kick a tree for a little while (for obvious reasons). In the interim feast your eyes on the new channel du jour:

Follow the red brick road….

UPDATE 1:33pm EDT: I went outside to broom my yard a little – very therapeutic – hey, it works for Shaolin monks!

In the meantime we breached my fancy short term channel and keep pushing back up (I shouldn’t complain). You know what rats – I think my time is better spent futzing with my evil.rat code – need to get that done. So, I’ll bow out for an hour or two if you don’t mind.

BTW, just for the record – you guys were all bitching and complaining about me yesterday – BUT – the quality of the discussion has improved vastly. Seems you rats just need a friendly kick in the ass every once in a while ;-)

Alright – I’m putting my nerdy hat on for a little while. Watch the tape for me in the interim.

P.S.: Proposal for FujiSan: Perhaps you are interested in doing a weekly ‘Fujisan’s Naughty Spreads’ session? If you put it together I’d post it. Could be fun and you seem to be the master of option spread magic. Rats: why don’t you pesker encourage her (ahem) until she says yes?

Hey, am I the only one who imagines Fujisan to look like this?

UPDATE 2:08pm EDT: Aaaah – SPX at 812 – I feel strangely vindicated :-)

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  • WEDNESDAY WRAP UP!
  • Gap up tomorrow morning. here is why: If you would have noticed for at least past week, the following two have happened:

    - the morning open is a good reflection of overnight futures action
    - the overnight futures action is an extension of the move going into the close
  • Gap up tomorrow morning. here is why: If you would have noticed for at least past week, the following two have happened:

    - the morning open is a good reflection of overnight futures action
    - the overnight futures action is an extension of the move going into the close
  • God the zero light looks like the skyline of the Rocky Mountains. Wild swings. But kept me in the green, I bought more SPY 85 calls @ 4pm. Futures are going even higher.
  • BREAKTHROUGH:

    Lawrence Livermore Laboratories has discovered the heaviest element yet known to science. The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

    These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that
    would normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to complete.

    Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2- 6 years. It does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

    In fact, Governmentium’s mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass.

    When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.
  • Lori
    nice
  • standard_and_poor
    Adding longs, financials, small caps, and techs.
  • PRSGuitars
    Posted on xTrends, too:

    101,000 open interest on .SZCPB, SPY APR 80 put.

    110,000+ contracts already traded today.

    What gives?

    Symbol .SZCPB
  • That gap from monday must be filled... another 6 ES points
  • Reza
    Mole,
    IS that someone you know on CNBC?
  • Conditions very very ripe for a sizeable gap up higher tomorrow morning.
  • Vendrell
    I am always trying to study as much new styles of trading as possible (I like to make the analogy that it's like being fluent in different styles of martial arts, allowing you to prepare for as many environments as possible).

    You said earlier that you study "sentiment". What do you mean by that, and how did you study it?
  • isaiah64v4
    He just throws stuff out there hoping it will happen

    just mins ago he said

    "Look at this thing fly into close.. at min we close the gap to 816 ... may be even run upto 820"

    Then earlier there was SRS to hit 48 EOD...

    This guy burned me once by just throwing crap out there so I been watching him... So far his track record SUCKS! Beware..
  • Okay.. Placed an order to short /ES @ 811.00 .. Manual stop .. Will be buying some SRS @ 51.50 range
  • 1255 is right for NQ?
  • 1264- 1266
  • Steve
    Nandu, I see 1263 using the trendline off Nov 20th low and late Jan lows. Is that how you concluded?
  • iite thanks, I will change my order from 1255 to 1264
  • Hi T--you'll get a kick out of this--since you are so much into Gold!!!
    AU and NEM are at their highs of the month
  • LOL I will be out of gold at this moment. we'll look to short it soon. ;-)
  • DoubleNaughtSpy
    Anyone else notice the divergence between FAS (+6.5%) and FAZ (-4.5%)? I thinking about going long FAZ for tomorrow.
  • Looking for a nice shot entry point.
  • Look at this thing fly into close.. at min we close the gap to 816 ... may be even run upto 820
  • Marc45
    Let's have a round of applause for the PPT!
  • fa_q
    LOL. A PPT-engineered 5 point bounce from 798. Thank you, haven't laughed that hard in a while
  • No it wasnt PPT bouncing this up.. It was Mkt Makers running the tape down to run the stops on ES
  • fa_q
    Ssshhh, of course it was. But any bounce has to be the PPT when you're short. You obviously don't understand that of course the PPT will defend 798 on a low-volume Wednesday. After all, the last couple weeks they defended 800, 790, 780, 770, 760, 750, 740, 730, 720, 710, 700, 690, 680, 670....oh wait, they defended 666. That's right. Good thing they stepped in at 798.
  • katzo7
    Look for big down bar.
  • anthem
    As am I.. . . Still searching. . . . Now where is that damn thing., . ..
  • bullethead
    patience, need to put in right shoulder
  • anthem
    Well lets see. .. Looks like its turning up very strongly right now. Hopefully its only a shoulder and not an asymetrical frankenstein right shoulder. .. .
  • katzo7
    Almost, ready?
  • lazydogbkk
    There are some very important things that are starting to be resolved. Who's holding the trump card..the s*p channel or the triple top on the nasdaq. Answer lays in two places. First is the smh. Components are failing there. Look at XLNX, and then look at the undisputable head and shoulders in ADI. Look at the underperformance in ADI today. Across the board, for the most part there is little participation from the semi's in this rally. So that is the first clue that the triple top will not be breached, and that the s*p's channel will once again fail at the upper boundary. Clue #2 is something mole followed religiously for a while...fxy, or japanese yen vs dollar. It should have rallied upto 104, 105...instead it got to only 103 and turned south the other day. It's still not recovered from the drop to 100, and is looking VERY bearish. Break of 100 fills the gap at 96. US dollar rallies on that putting an end to the commodity rally. That's interesting since Mole's been patiently waiting for Gold to come down (oil will too) and in fact that trend line has been broken. It hasn't been broken for such a long time, that needs to be paid attention to. Lastly, XLF though not doing anything wrong per se, it's doing nothing on the upside to write home about. We're putting in a top here. What will launch it? Sell the news on mTm announcment? Jobs report? Don't know. But once the start of the month period is over this market should turn weak. What i find especially intriguing about these holes in the foundation (fxy, smh, xlf) is that pretty much everybody's charting arrows are pointing up.
  • Erikd
  • Hey Erik.. I see XLF target 9.30.. If 9.30 is taken out, then look for 10.25..
  • PortisHead
    I couldn't take the pain anymore on my puts that I had this morning so I sold, and now the market is heading down. I'm glad I shorted the top. As Sameer said in Office Space, "This is a fuck!". Let's see where this takes us. GLTA!
  • this is pretty awesome

    http://screencast.com/t/8ufOWaOlUVg

    been able to successfully forecast major tops/bottoms yesterday and today using geometric time/price analysis

  • isaiah64v4
    Interesting charting.... what charting software are you using if I may ask. Never have seen this before.
  • If you want to check the software out you can go to here to do so: http://www.wave59.com/default.asp?refer=831&banner=0

    The indicators/patterns/etc you saw on my chart are just a very small sample of what is offered by the software

    If you click on the hyperlink I provided, I would highly recommend you click on the “free downloads” link in the left-had pane, near the bottom, right above “resources” and check out some of the videos of how to use the software, its very impressive.

    If you like what you see in the videos, they have a 30-day free trial and an online trading community, blog, and chatroom (see www.trader59.com) where people share ideas, custom scripts, etc

    The software is not free, and most people pay a monthly fee for it – they have an outright purchase option but I know the monthly is very popular.

    My incentive for plugging the software is the possibility of getting my monthly rate reduced for each person I refer – and eventually making money if I get enough.

    If you end up wanting to try a free 30-day trial, send me an email and ill be able to help you out with a quickstart personal guide, and I’ve also got a bunch of custom scripts that I could send to save you a bunch of time. – mayash01 with yahoo and you know the dotcom stuff.
  • isaiah64v4
    Mr Trader

    thanks for the info..... I'll hit the "like" button on this one.

    If I do sign up I will contact you...
  • Tazman
    Interesting.....just started this charting?
  • yep, very recently... lets see how my reversal zone plays out... looks like we'll be getting a high in the zone before a plunge into the close if im reading it correctly

    ill post an updated chart at the close
  • Lordted
    Another geometric Swinger... I prefer geometry to Elliot - you don't have to worry aobut which count you are in - nice chart
  • i misread the zone entry trajectory... ill make a note of this w/ a chart in my next post
  • Looks very interesting. Wish that tool was available in Prophet or TOS.
  • Darkthirty
    Extremely awesome, daytrader's dream
  • deebo
    if we close below today's open, we gonna open tomorrow at 75, just throwing this out there
  • fa_q
    If we close below 781 we will open at 775? You're really going out on a limb there :)
  • Covering @ 801.00 .. I still see a possibility of 811.00 as the top.. Will open short again, if 800 is taken out
  • obg
    Well done Nandu
  • Missed the top by .25 :)

    Feed: Disqus - Latest Comments for indusequities
    Posted on: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:36 PM
    Author: indusequities
    Subject: Re: Back To The Old Drawing Board

    k.. then 810.5 is the top.. lets see
  • obg
    I think you get another shot at it in the AH
  • Mickmock
    SPX rejection at the .618 from last Thursdays high, still need the 816# jumped over (unless they gap over it) some government stick save???

    looking at the NDX not exactly stoking confidence that this is a wave (3)/C either, bulls can prove me wrong at this point

    Right here is a no mans areas (unless they pull the rug in the last 60 mins) but we are still as resist 810/816 area

    Ps - i am neither bull/bear, but i cant label this as a bullish tape yet untill resistance taken out, either they step up here or gap over resistance.


  • katzo7
    Hey, are there any more "investors" out there?

    And anyone betting we finish red?

    We should see some big red bars soon.
  • ZigZag
    I still have SPX $770 for this week.
  • anthem
    Hey katzo, I think this will definitely slide. Not sure if it'll finish red though. . . It started red so hopefully it might get back there. ..
  • disrespekt
    SPY is maintaining its high on diminishing 5m RSI...hmm

    looks like the divergences win...some selling volume coming in here. saw the same thing on xlf, in faz at 20.1, .50 trail
  • katzo7
    Is now the time for the big boys to pull their profits?
    I saw that fucking setup.
  • anthem
    Going into the last hour. Usually I try and avoid the first 30 minutes of trading, but these last 30minute trading days have been as crazy as the first 30.. . . Going to be keeping a close eye here.
  • anybody seriously going to be short going into tomorrow?
  • deebo
    most definately, i still think we close week below 75, ill be wrong when we make new highs
  • deebo
    i mean, the question implies that you think everyone is long, and everyone is usualy wrong...i'm comfortable here.
  • Very strange day today - like a perfect bear trap so far. Bought more FAZ earlier to protect gains in financials but tape for everything else just wants to push higher. LVLT offering another entry point on squeeze action but I'm not going to add to my position unless it comes closer to 50-EMA again. Took partial profits on AMZN. Was going to cash in on GS longs but seems like everyone's falling over themselves to short it so I'm going to continue to play squeeze action while I wait for FAZ to go somewhere.

    Zero today suggests to me that there's a lot of bets being placed on further retracement and many longs are waiting for more pullback to buy, even as short covering and doubling-down keeps pushing prices up. Squeeze action snap-back happened in S today and price action since then makes a bigger squeeze more likely there. If we get another late-day rally like we did on Mar 23 and gap up from there it would spell disaster for bears that took the bait this morning.
  • BigHouse(Aka Mr Vix)
    Get on board with the FAS Bull train
  • Squidman
    I think we will know on the next push. Is it strange to anyone else how weirdly symmetrical the M's are on zero lite? The next one should be interesting if it repeats.
  • joeshurgot24
    http://chaudhryandcole.com/ has a diamond formation on the GLD. looks bullish
  • katzo7
    I don't think you want to mention gold over here. LOL
  • BigHouse(Aka Mr Vix)
    XLF falling in love with $9 level. Whats it going to do?
  • deebo
    rats - don't the past 3 days look like a textbook ABC corrective move? would that imply that they are retracing part of a down wave, and there are more down waves to follow? if this is correct, i would expect spy below 75 by EOW
  • I really wouldn't call it textbook - otherwise I'd probably still be holding my puts.
  • deebo
    i'm just saying, if you're looking for an ABC, you expect C to end higher than A, so you're either still be holding shorts for longer term, or looking to get back in soon...?
  • katzo7
    Mole, seeing action that reminds me of Aug. and Jan. chop zone. Not enough money coming in to drive it higher, not enough panic to kill it.
  • Yupp - if this is a third wave it better get going soon. We've been chopping around in this fucking 780 - 830 zone for days now.
  • El gAto
    The last time the 10DMA adv /decl crossed the 20 DMA adv/decl(extremely oversold).....we went this bullish run. Tech led the advance!

    This time around 10 DMA has crossed the 20DMA(very overbought). hmmm! Tech breadth started diverging last few days.

    30 DMA adv/decl showing this rally is about half way done. Not even close to December overbought levels.

    Conclusion: pull in the bull horns slightly on intermediate basis, and short lightly with short time frames
  • isaiah64v4
    Obamagirl

    "Think tomorrow is a non event cuz they delayed M2M to July"

    Where did you read that at. I am unable to find it.
  • FASB to announce a ruling tomorrow
  • Eric_in_SFL
  • BigHouse(Aka Mr Vix)
    buying fas here 5.86. Looking for it to blast through 6
  • disrespekt
    I was thinking the same thing but i don't like the xlf price action right now, sort of toppy.

    where's your stop at?
  • BigHouse(Aka Mr Vix)
    no stop
  • disrespekt
    good trade so far; I shoul have hit it in the 5.7s when i exited FAZ after there was no real followthru off the 3p sell move
  • dysform
    would wave 2 down starting at 832 be a valid count?
  • Chrys
    Can you supply a chart?
  • dysform
    I am not adept at drawing charts yet
    but basically an A B C starting on friday high
    A low on Monday
    then -a b c- up over about now as B and now we would start C down
    its clear on the hourly chart
  • Chrys
    prophet.net or get a brokerage account at Thinkorswim.com and they let you use the prophet charting software for free. Just open a paper trading account and use their software.
  • katzo7
    Bought TZA, Absolutely zero shares of SPY to borrow at Scottrade. What does that tell you.
  • anthem
    katzo, you like that 811 RL for a push down to 770 or just a short term intra-day trade for today ?
  • katzo7
    If I get any profit, a good one, I am history.
    Wanted to ask Mole this I think we may be going into a sustained chop zone, this is the only way to trade this is to day trade. The minute I attempted a longer swing trade, get blown out.
    Had a 10 k profit this morning, all gone as I had set a target of 777 on down side. Obviously target never happened. I can see some things in my charts that remind me of Aug. and Jan.
  • jabber
    That its time to get a new broker?
  • katzo7
    NO.
  • jabber
    Damn, fujisan is hot.

    I'm getting divergences here but NYSE breadth is kicking so who knows. Maybe we bounce off this 809-811 area, but if we break it, I say hello to 818.
  • rhae
    skating on thin ice?

    http://tyler.blogware.com/
  • Here I'm practicing my trading skills :). Best way to learn and increase confidence in your analysis.. Play 1 unit, but its worth..
  • yawn......Zero Signal meets RL Level = Profit (Scalp)

    93.5% Win Percentage
  • senrex
    BabaB are you trading the ES for the scalps? If not, what vehicle? TIA!
  • Yes.....
    in accordance with RL
  • Nice BalaB, so you jump in short at 809 based upon the move down draft in the Z as well? I'll email you for a more candid discussion of the odds and probabilities...
  • yeah...email me so we can discuss openly....
  • MaxPainMan
    open outcry hand signals used in the pits... very interesting:
    http://www.oxfordfutures.com/docs/Handsignals.pdf

    NOTE: look at the signals for the various months.... craziness!
  • anotherone
    Must not be distracted by pic. Focus on charts.
  • Okay.. Placed a short order @ 808.25 with a very tight stop loss (manual monitoring). If thats taken out, then look for 817.00. Worth the risk..


    This is a day trade
  • obg
    I like this trade, good risk rewards
  • You know what..I need to improve my precision.. I saw that 809.00 never traded it.. Need to improve my skills ..
  • obg
    Bravo, think you caught the exact top yesterday and today

    Your precision is better than Miller Lite, I mean Zero Lite..........hehe
  • I'm not sure about HOD today..cos of all these looming news for tomorrow.. But I'm doing this sharpen my trading skills.. Trading near the breakout is the best way to learn and sharpen your skill level..
  • obg
    Think tomorrow is a non event cuz they delayed M2M to July
  • arak0
    I can't find any news on M2M being postponed to July. Is this true?
  • obg
  • arak0
    OBG, That is the FCAG .... FASB still gets to issue their M2M for US markets
    tomorrow.
  • k.. then 810.5 is the top.. lets see
  • Squidman
    Obama Girl should start harassing you again about now. Good luck with that.
  • Banks are looking strong imo [BAC, WFC]. Anyone think BAC will get above 8?

    I think we'll see a breach above 810 on the $SPX by the end of the day.

  • Dragonsbane
    Onwards and upwards from here... if u see a decent pullback get long. Sadly, I'm waiting for one (probalby with a bunch of other mopsqueezers), so it's unlikely we'll get one.
  • Mole I thought you were going to wait till the gap is fill. Are you planning to go short at gap fill?
  • anthem
    Gap fill at 811 or 830 ?
  • Oh no - I'm not going to short here at all. Right now I don't see a clear count and a defensible position. I would have gone long at 770, if you get my drift but we obviously are way beyond that.
  • mole, what do yout hink of this ?

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XX1K8deKkBE/SdOCI72XPxI/AAAAAAAAA64/kXWDWYh2fGI/s1600-h/spx.jpg

    this being a (c) wave of minor B it would explain it in my opinion and is a good count...

    but i'm not paying too watch it either
  • anthem
    Thats reassuring. I've been fighting the tape (or trying to anticipate it) for the last few days. Every time things start getting better you end up trying to trade what you want to see rather than what you do end up seeing. . . . Always learning(or getting beat down) to try and become a better trader. . .

    If this thing definitely runs past the resistance points - then I'm definitely not going to try and fight it until I see some clear indicators - whether that be mole or something else.
  • Don't fight the trend. Learn to go with it. Anyone here use custom think scripts?
  • MikeT
    Yeah..but Im not supposed to fight the trend or chase the tape which leaves me in no mans land!
  • Thanks for the ideas on the calenders (hoping mine is filled) I am glad I watch the zero light yesterday and kept my AAPL calls and SPY calls. Looks like kicking myself in the butt wasn't so necessary.
  • fujiko, say yes. say yes pls
    :D
  • well, many years ago, i worked in tokyo, and of course i fell in love with a japanese girl.
    at that time there was a very popular tv series. i forgot the name, but the theme song was 1 of my favorite, until my girl turned me down. :-(

    aite, enough for my bit story. i haven't listened to the song "Say Yes" for 9 years. hope you guys will like it. and hope fujiko will say yes :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwT5hxUc3wA
  • Fujisan Fujisan Fujisan!!!

    Hey, what does it take to put an obnoxious mob together around here?
  • Hell Yeah! FUJI FUJI FUJI.....

    "We want to learn good" G.W. Bush
  • Fujisan
    That sounds like a great idea. I will do a weekly update.

    BTW, how did you get my picture?
  • GoCougs
    Fuji,

    Following up on the thread yesterday, do you always hold the front month calls that you sold through expiration? As of now, the front month calls are hurting a bit given the run up this morning, although I am not concerned...yet
  • dust13
    Fujisan I am anxious to read your write ups. Spreads rule!
  • isaiah64v4
    Fyjisan

    You look toooooooooooooo fine !

    ;-)
  • Excellent - just email it admin [at--**] evilspeculator and the dot-com-stuff - I will then post to the blog.

    Very very cool - this could be fun. BTW, I'll leave the topic up to you - whatever you're trading is probably a good idea. This way some of us can trade along (real or paper) and make adjustments as you do. I think this could be very valuable to all of us.
  • Squidman
    Oh good, she's beautiful and easy too
  • Japanese, beautiful, smart - AND easy! I just went to heaven...
  • C.C. Rider
    Me likee!
  • Erikd - With all due respect to your plans... I want to point one thing out.. Before that I will tell you that I traded your plan for most part all the way down.. But I think you have been fighting the tape since early March.. I just want to point that out because all of us become short sighted at some point..

    You would hang onto intra-day or daily trendlines.. then you went to weekly.. and now you have been talking about monthly and quarterly trendlines.. You can see where this is headed.

    I agree that the fundamentals are crappy.. but hey XLF has come down from $30 to sub-$6... At some point the worst is indeed priced in.. and that is what was the case back in early March... We will get to a point where too much good would be priced in and that would be the time to go short again...
  • Erikd
    "We will get to a point where too much good would be priced in and that would be the time to go short again..." my plan as i have posted here is " that time to go short again...",is NOW based on the TA charts i have recently posted here... IMV. good entry point to place trade with weekly resistance level and 20 month daily trendline to use for stop area. XLF http://screencast.com/t/ftEkbrHG
  • Squidman
    Glad to hear you Erikd--I have 2 time frames I am operating on and your XLF is my more patient one. I think you are both correct. Not sure what is going on with you over at Xtrends and Obama Girl here, but please don't be a stranger. Have to remain open to all possibilities.
  • Erikd
    nature is always balancing the forces. always remaining open to the endless possibilities..
  • I hear ya - but actually I have not been 'fighting it' - I mostly stayed out. So, yes - I missed out on a good move but it's something I can accept as my system's indicators were not in line.

    Even when I took those puts I mentioned that I'm playing it small as it was 'against the trend'.

    As I made clear in the past - I'm not married to one direction. But I need to have confidence before I dip into the market - plus I want a defensible spot to load up.

    It's funny - just a week or two ago I kept being criticized for saying that we're heading higher. And I turned out to be right, didn't I? ;-)
  • anthem
    Mole. I do remember you were calling the market to run. I really wish I just took that advice on a more macro level and not try to play the retracement/trends in between. . . Sometimes you have to as the movements are too large but I definitely would have been better off not trying to play it back to 770. . .

    Here is a question - if the trend is bullish for the next few days, would you consider holding long positions overnight ? Thats my dilemma if this tape continues to play out.
  • Hey mole, this was for Erikd and not for you.. I have great respect for your predictions.. I can tell you that I have way more trust in them than I did 3 weeks ago..
  • FUCK - I just realized that. Sorry mate - I have been getting so much flak lately I automatically assumed you were talking to me :-}
  • Mole - I hvae great respect and admiration for you.. My secret desire is to have an indicator and a system like the one you have..




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  • XLF back up above $9 IMO

    IMO SRS should hit new lows by EOD today... IYR just turned green for the day.. look at it run towards $28... it wont get there today... SRS headed to sub $48 by EOD..

    Anyone even decently short would get their head handed to them IMO.. But dont panic as the relief should be there next week...
  • rhae
    SPY 60m Dead Cat Bounce???... Shouldn't take long to find out...

    http://screencast.com/t/1qdNEaRrFQ
  • anthem
    Are we there yet ???? It's like being a kid in the backseat not knowing the path and how long its going to take to get to that final destination.

    I do think that the longer this hangs around/flat lines - the trickier this is going to get in determining the path. It is strange in that the volume is there today - just not the actual movement. Whereas yesterday we had the movement but not the volume.
  • El gAto
    MNRO looks like its putting the pedal to the metal.
  • Douala
    milingz

    Thanks for the posting the graphs.
  • standard_and_poor
    Hi Douala use your favorite indicators to help get you long and set a liberal stop. This next move will have few pullbacks. You decide if, when and how to get in; I'm a strong believer in DYI(do it yourself).
  • drumrocks
    Hal long? It seems to be hitting support on the daily chart
  • Mickmock
    Molecool wrote this:

    I’m still a bit puzzled however and have a hard time buying a 1.5 day Minor 2 wave - just don’t feel right. Anyway, until I figure out what exactly is going on I’ll assume that we are in a third wave to the upside - if so then we should not see much flailing about - this sucker should push right through all those fancy fib lines on my chart. Let’s see what happens.


    Have you considered a flat for wave (b)???

    i have serious doubts on the wave (3)/C idea as the intial move off Monday/Tuesday is clearly a 3,

    Basically watching 816 SPX for a breach over this level as we ping pong 780-810/6, we would require a move down then up

    The flat even if an expanded fits well, so unless they take this market up to the upside above 816 on the SPX i am bearish against that high

    But the complexity of it may still morph into something else. As the waves get juggled around, its the problem with flats as the make up is yet to be decided

    I am not buying the Bullish count yet, i still feel a drop in (c) of (2)/B is stil required.

    If its a flat we ping pong 780-810/6

    Still have the gap outstanding above, but this action stinks of some sort irregular flat or complex pattern

    Until it shows its hand staying out is sound advice unless traders want to trade simple S/R #`s

    which have been working well on the ES

    http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt293/Mickmock/spxe.gif

    My preffered count is still the Zig Zag as a ABC down into the 763-6 area and we marked the high of (1)/A last Thursday



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