Risk Management

Fujisan here.

In my last week’s posting, I discussed hedging technique to protect the open positions, but I quickly learned that not many of you used this technique when the market edged up to retest the recent high.  I saw some comments on Wednesday asking what they should be doing with their underwater Qs option spreads.  Well, unfortunately, there is no magic adjustment to turn losses into gains, and that’s why it’s very important to exit the position at the right time.

Without a proper risk management, you could quickly lose your capital, and options could be a highway to hell instead of heaven.

Risk management is always a very important concept when it comes to trading, but it is even more important to option strategies, and that’s what I am going to discuss today.

Loss on Investment

Please take a look at this schedule.  This is a summary of potential losses in Qs June bear put spreads with different strike prices if Qs makes adverse price movements.  As you can see, the further Qs moves away from the entry point, the more the losses expand.

This is the reason why you cannot “buy and hold” directional option spreads (there is a ”buy and hold” option strategy with delta neutral position, but that’s not what we are talking about).  You have to have a very tight stop (both price and time stop) and active position management in order to avoid the “exponential” loss situation as illustrated above.  But here is a question.  How often would my stops possibly be hit if I have a very right stop?  Very often.  That’s why I’d rather have “hedging” strategy than a regular “stock loss”.  I will discuss this further.

Risk/Reward Calculation

OK, we now know the importance of a tight stop.  Now, here is another piece of the puzzle.  If you expect to be taken out of the position, as often as 50%, then you’d better have a better risk/reward ratio, right?

You bet you do!

Here is what I do.

I have a very specific entry/exit point, and I calculate the risk/reward (RR) ratio based on that.  If RR ratio is below 300%, I won’t take the trade.  I only take the trade if RR ratio is more than 300%.

This is Qs 34/32 bear put spread P&L graph and these are my trading plans for this time around:

Entry: 34.90
Immediate Target: 32.66~32.24
Stop Loss: 34.18
Time Stop: May 29 (if the position is not in the money, close it by this date).
Risk Reward: $379 (reward)/$72 (risk) = 526%

I normally trade in a much longer term (meaning a few weeks to a month), not in days, but these days, I am trading in a much shorter time span, and this is not what I’m looking for – but what can we do?  The market doesn’t care how I trade.  If I like to trade the way I do, I should probably stay out of this whipsaw market and wait for a major move — there are so much works to be involved and so little money to be made.  I’m sure that many of you share my sentiment.  In the mean time, I should trade small.

Diversification

Now, one more thing that you can do as a part of risk management is to diversify your position.  No, not that kind of diversification (yes, that one too), but diversification through different strike prices and expiration months.  Don’t just marry to one position.

If you have $1,000 budget for Qs directional trade, allocate your capital into different positions.  Don’t just put everything into one bucket.  You can have bear put spreads with different strike prices and expiration months.  Or you can have butterflies and calendars other than bear put spreads.  You don’t need to trade front month options all the time.  Mix up your positions so that you don’t get hurt entirely in case the trade goes against you.

Four Legged Box

Lastly, I like to go over the basic concept of hedging.  Although I discussed this topic last week, I think I should go over this again as this is a very important part of risk management.

Options are very flexible financial instruments and you can recreate any type of “synthetic” stock positions.  For instance, in order to create synthetic long stock position, you simply go long call options and short put options and, voila!  This looks exactly like long stock position.  This position is a combination of long June 85 SPY call and short 85 put options.

In order to create synthetic short stock position, you simply go short call options and long put options.  This has the same P&L curve as short stock position.  This is a combination of long June SPY 90 put and short 85 call options.

Now, if you combine long and short stock positions, what do you get?  It’s a flat position, and you don’t make money in either direction.  This is called “Four Legged Box”.

Now, four legged box in itself is not tradable, but you can leg out into four legs.

If you look at the four legged box matrix above, and take a vertical instead of horizontal combination, you will get a bull call spread with long June 85 call and short 90 call options.

Similarly, if you long 90 put and short 85 put options, that would create a bear put spread.

If you combine a bull call spread and a bear put spread (with the same corresponding month and strike price), that will become a ”four legged box”.

Now, how can we use this concept?

Let’s say that you originally entered into June 85/90 bear put spread and you are expecting the market to take a short-term turn.  You still expect the overall trend to be downside and you like to hold on to your position, but you don’t want to lose a profit already made.  What can you do?

Yes, you can leg out June 85/90 bull call spread and make “four legged box” to lock in the profit.  Moreover, you can add on call spreads to ride to the upside as well.

….or, you can make a “three legged box” by adding June 85 call.

Hedging is not just locking in the profits.  This also gives you an opportunity to ride to the other side of the trade and make money in both sides.  I made more money by being stopped out and turned into other side of the trade.

This is such an important concept especially now that we expect whipsaw galore for the coming weeks, and if you don’t want to get in and out of the positions every other day, hedging is the best way to go.

This is really not as complicated as it may sound.  You just have to try it once to see how it goes.  I’m almost certain that you will love it!

Have a wonderful weekend, everyone!

Fujisan

May 23 Update: Squidman brought up a very good question about naked put option adjustment, so I decided to address his question here, as many of you are trading naked options.

His original position was June Qs 33 put options, and he adjusted it with 35 call option.  With this adjustment, he was basically creating a strangle which looks like this.

As you can see, breakeven point is almost outside of one standard deviation and you are running a risk of losing the entire premium in both call and put options in this adjustment.  In other words, you are throwing a good money into a bad trade without no hope of recoupting the cost of the trade.

What if you adjusted Qs 33 put options with 33 call options?  This is a little bit better than strangle but the results are the same.  Moreover, you would have been putting more money into the trade and the cost of the investment doubled whereas the return potential didn’t.

With this adjustment, you would be creating a straddle which looks like this.

If you really like to adjust your position, you would have to recreate 4 legged box by

1. shorting 32 June put option and,
2. adding 32/33 bear call spread

to lock in a loss.  This position has the same P&L effect as closing out the position, but I would say most of the people would be better off just by closing it out instead of messing around with all kinds of adjustments that you are not entirely familiar with.

Trading Rules

If you are still buying naked options, please do yourself a favor and follow these rules:

1. BUY ONLY ITM (in the money) options for the front month.  DO NOT BUY ATM and OTM front month options.  Please be prepared to lose the entire premium if you are trading front month ATM/OTM options.

2. BUY ONLY the back months options at least 60 days before the expiration, if you are trading ATM/OTM options.  Close it out in 30 days to OPX.

Happy memorial holiday!

Fujisan

UPDATE 5:45pm EDT: Mole here. This is a great opportunity to talk about something I meant to convey a while ago. The concept Fujisan describes is actually also known as ‘morphing‘. In effect what she is doing when producing a ‘three legged dog’ is to turn her bear put spread into a something very near to a synthetic long call. Let me explain:

As she described a synthetic stock positions is accomplished by buying a call and selling a put:

|+c| = Synthetic Long Stock
|-p|

Similarly a synthetic short positions is produced by selling a call and buying a put:

|-c| = Synthetic Short Stock
|+p|

Now, I will spare you the ugly details regarding the greeks calculations but the concept you need to remember is that 100 shares of stock plus one option is considered a synthetic option:

|+c| -c = -p = Synthetic Short Put
|-p|

|-c| +c = +p = Synthetic Long Put
|+p|

|+c| +p = +c = Synthetic Long Call
|-p|

|-c| -p = -c = Synthetic Short Call
|+p|

Here I am representing the long or short stock position via their synthetic option equivalents – bear with me here. I actually came up with that visualization myself after watching Ron Ianieri’s video on the concept – he is a great instructior and knows this stuff inside out but I was seeking for a simple mental recipe to execute trades quickly.

So, if you look at those four variations above – all you have to do now is to fill in the missing leg on Fujisan’s four legged box – which is to buy one 85 call, just as she described:

|+c85| +p90 = +c = Synthetic “Long Call”
|-p85|

Now, the acute rat would point out that this is not exactly correct – for a synthetic long call all three strikes need to be the same:

|+c85| +p85 = +c = Synthetic Long Call
|-p85|

Obviously this is technically impossible as you cannot buy/sell a put at the same time – you end up neutral which only leaves you with the call – and hey that would be the idea. A real synthetic call would be produced by being long the stock and long one put. Yes yes – I know it sounds strange but the delta works out perfectly.

In any case, the red scenario is what you want and it’s close enough to a synthetic long call to accomplish your goal. What’s even cooler is that all you had to do was to buy one option instead of having to sell two and then buy one. Your positions is exactly identical and you pay a lot less in commissions.

Cheers!

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  • risk management or Rice management?
    Those people on that pic
    looks to me they just planting rice ;-))
  • C C Rider
    Dollar woes. Weekly trendline break and weekly ADX reading about to move over 20 indicating strong directional move, in this case down.

    http://content.screencast.com/users/texana44/folders/Default/media/99e3fe4c-c8ca-471e-b0d9-cd86a6b74fdb/2009-05-25_1524.png
  • katzo7
    This has been a picture perfect New England day. Cut down two trees that fell over with a chain saw (macho man) and back will suffer for a few days.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08&feature=PlayList&p=EE5D089F47162132&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

    There has been a lot of gym locker room horsing around yesterday and today and I can blame it all on Anna, S&P, Blind Squirrel, and Inna our new member who should know better (LOL). I, for one, did not get dragged down in the muck and mire, but continued to turn out research charts of quantity and quality. Much discussion has occurred about the dollar today so I thought I'd take a look. Actually, I have reached no conclusions on the longer time frames (week, month) but this caught my eye, the 60.
    I used UUP.
    http://www.screencast.com/users/katzo7/folders/Jing/media/96f99f92-d841-435c-b713-8f5662c63542
    Note the MACD/stochs turning and the almost perfect proportions of the EW pattern. IMO day and week were more inconclusive.
    So in conclusion, cut out the horsing around or you will get a rat-tail snap from my towel. And actually open up a chart. ROTFLMAO.

    Macho Man--http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ar1OB1LSQ WON'T LOAD SO COPY THIS AND PASTE IT.
    Get three coffins ready!
  • Osso
    Wednesday May 27th. the 2nd. most bullish day of the month.
  • C C Rider
    McHugh is calling for a big move tomorrow based on a small change in the McClellan Osc. on Friday. Wonder which way it's going?
  • and why is that?
  • Osso
    month statistics.
  • KidDisco

    Memo
    From : Bull Rapist
    To : Bulls
    Subject : FYI
    Message : http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/25/business/economy/25foreclose.html
  • all set for P3!
  • No matter how you see it, the SPX 875 area is a key technical level, a multiday support and also the neckline of a potential double top with target 830. I guess we will get a clue very soon whether we will breach that level...

    http://tinyurl.com/r4waxr
  • Fujisan
    USD/JPY Chart update. It looks like a=c pattern complete (off by $0.04) and ready to turn. Closed my shorts. Going long. Weekly chart is forming a possible Gartley pattern with a target of 108.14. Great entry point.

    Daily Chart:
    http://content.screencast.com/users/Fuji-san/folders/Jing/media/4c177a97-1103-45eb-9eda-18c0f5e75450/2009-05-25_0932.png

    Weekly Chart:
    http://content.screencast.com/users/Fuji-san/folders/Jing/media/205be654-641a-4612-b80b-d0edc5cb6839/2009-05-25_1018.png
  • AntG624
    Fuji, excuse my ignorance, but if we're unable to trade currencies would you recommend simply going long $USD? Or maybe Long UUP & Short FXY?
  • tahertrader
    Nice charts Fujisan - how about the proshares ultrashort yen YCS (or short the ultra yen YCL)?
  • It's also been bouncing against its 2.0 BB for a few days now - usually there is a turn nearby once you see a BB touch and then a slow down.
  • lilme
    This is what concerns me about shorting this market (Doug Kass):

    http://www.thestreet.com/story/10504723/1/kass-revenge-of-the-longs.html

    Also a hedge fund manager at Between the Hedges (he is bullish) has spoken of the same problem, fund managers having to get on the rally train late.

    I have been watching for an increase in volume since January and have not seen it which made me suspect this rally, but I cannot 'ignore' the price increases totally....what I am saying is that I know the rally is 'suspect' due to lack of volume but we may see more, based on anecdotes like this.

    Feedback appreciated.
  • Peasant
    Kass was net short just a few weeks ago. Everyone wants to be the contrarian to the contrarian. The hedge fund managers don't know any better than anyone else.
  • Peasant
    I've becomed obsessed with the dollar. I even googled long-term daily chart of the dollar and found this gem (albeit a few months old). Notice how often 80 has attracted buyers:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_H2DePAZe2gA/STfwl4CDpEI/AAAAAAAAGp4/ZGZBTI7wjfk/s1600-h/DXVLT.png

    Here is a weekly chart of the US dollar going back to 7/2001:
    http://content.screencast.com/users/peasant/folders/Default/media/22567e4a-7dc5-4401-aa92-b36f5b1e0b00/dollar_weekly.PNG

    and a daily chart of the corrective wave which started in March 2008.
    http://content.screencast.com/users/peasant/folders/Default/media/e6d6f4c9-5d85-4564-ba71-848d8edf6a6f/dollar_daily.png

    Looking at both of those charts, are we still in the corrective wave from March 2008? There is an abc correction from March 08 to March 09 and then an ABC correction from March till now. If the dollar does catch a bid at 80 then I expect oil, gold, and stocks to tank in the short-term but then who wants to buy the dollar knowing that our own govt is trying to devalue it?
    Does the last couple of weeks in the bond and currency markets indicate that China and other foreign central banks are dumping their treasuries? Are nations converting their dollar reserves to euro and yen?

    sorry - i didn't mean to post this twice.
  • kinihepu
    One thing that was brought to my attention is that our trade deficit has plummeted. Because consumers aren't spending dollars aren't flowing out of the country. What fueled this last bull market was the cycle of those dollars flowing back to the US and into treasuries. It's the deal that we've cut with the rest of the world. They gave us our money back and we gave them pieces of paper (of suspect value of course).

    They are no longer buying treasuries because they don't have to. While that might not be the complete cause, it can't be ignored.
  • katzo7
    Excellent Peasant.
  • Peasant
    Thanks katzo. I've been expecting a reversal to the upside for the dollar forever now and my trading account has suffered greatly. I even went long commodity names last week and got burned again while the dollar continued to fall. It seems if I hold a position more than 2 days, it turns into a loser.

    I went to Home Depot over the weekend and the place was packed (DFW metroplex). So much so there were no shopping carts to be found!!! I keep thinking is it really as bad as everyone and everything indicate or...
  • Iguanadon
    Another way to look at it is that Home Depot was swamped because fewer people took holiday trips and they're looking for less expensive things to do around the homesteads. No longer upgrading by buying bigger homes, instead dressing up the ones they know they'll be in for years to come.

    Just another angle to think about.
  • katzo7
    And Iguan, how much did they spend? That is the key, a walk around with a shopping cart is not telling, a cart full of items is.
  • Ok I was sitting here enjoying my cappuccino, and for the first time had a chance to listen to "HOUSE OF CARDS" on CNBC. It really amazes me that we have gone through this financial crisis, and when you hear how greedy People were and Wall Street, ect. that people actually don't realize that we are NOT GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS in just a year + some time.

    We have a long long way to go and will retest and probably break those lows of March sometime in the not so far future.
  • Heads up for those watching Index futures just went RED!! I believe they close @ 11:30am and open back up @ 6pm
  • Iguanadon
    They've been flipping all over the place due to the North Korean nuclear test I believe S&P futures were up about 6 pts and then dropped to -6 in a matter of minutes. Then stabalized in the flat area. See what tomorrow holds for us.
  • Wow you think that would really spook people, it spooks me!! We will see tomorrow you're right Ig.
  • Morning all, I see Ned has been spinning his web of crap whilst I was getting my beauty sleep. He should be gone, if I missed anything please let me know. God he's so boring! :-D

    Looks like the futures came right back to where they were before they open yesterday. Mole as usual called that one!
    I am getting a little itchy for tomorrow already. :-)
  • katzo7
    Itchy? Need someone to scratch your back?
  • :-D You would have to have a very long arm.
  • katzo7
    I have some frequent flier miles. LOL
  • innatedc
    Ta, Ta...as self appointed IA (internal affairs) of the MOMO department, that my friend, is a violation...please come by internal affairs for punishment.....
  • katzo7
    I take my MOMO role seriously and when in office, run it like a gulag. Even if I am wrong, I am right.
  • Thanks Inna! :-) someone has to keep the Morals officer in check.
  • standard_and_poor
    Morning sweetness I'm sending you a monster lobsta to protect you against katzo ( if katzo actually does show just place them both in
    boiling water, problem solved). Have a great holiday! Katzo loves his lobsta and butta, but have it from a good source that he won't come near any lobser over 60 punds.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoamPkU6c1E
  • katzo7
    Just a littl' too late. Katzo the phantom offered the guy $50 for that lobsta and it is now salad;. Sorry Anna. I got lobsta, he got vodker! LOL
  • standard_and_poor
    *&*%*#*%! Once again I have been left speechless unlike you. 
     




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  • katzo7
    Are you sure katzo really exists? Have you ever seen him?
  • standard_and_poor
    It just so happens that C.S.U.A.K. has video proof. With their kind permission:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7PwsNe-FZU.

     




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  • katzo7
    If you are anything like the Blind Squirrel, I am afraid to open the above youtube.

    Post Script-oh it wasn't that bad S&P. I especially like the part about the gazelles in the wadi. Very touching. The prancing. The mothers watching out for the baby. Eating tall waving savannah grass. Sweeeet. See Anna, I am so sensitive!
  • standard_and_poor
    You're not even afraid of 200 lb. monsta lobstas, how could a little video harm you.. 
     




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  • Morning sweetie, glad to see they let the monsta lobsta go! :-)
  • katzo7
    Sorry Inna and Anna,
    I honestly thought I was replying to B Squirrel who has invited me down to FL to go to Siesta Beach. Now if you cannot trust the MOMO, who can you trust. Sorry!

    B Squirrel, you there? Remember to back up my statement good ol' buddy. Remember when I covered for you? The bottle of scotch is on its way.
  • Blind_Squirrel
    I know nothing!!!

    I see nothing!!!
  • katzo7
    You see nothing! Did you see that Marvin Gaye cover by Sarah Conner? I bet you saw that! I bet you saw that more than once. Now I had to because in my new capacity as chief MOMO (morals monitor), I had to determine if it was acceptable or not. Need to pause now, and come back and look at it with a fresh mind again. Decision still TBD.


  • C.C. Rider
    Anyone care to guess how this plays out for equities? Hint: Commodities will take this bear rally further than most expect if the dollar goes back to 72. Dollar looks to increase it's rate of descent next week.

    http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?$USD
    http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?$CRX
    http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?$SPX
  • Peasant
    I've becomed obsessed with the dollar. I even googled long-term daily chart of the dollar and found this gem (albeit a few months old). Notice how often 80 has attracted buyers:

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_H2DePAZe2gA/STfwl4CDpEI/AAAAAAAAGp4/ZGZBTI7wjfk/s1600-h/DXVLT.png

    Here is a weekly chart of the US dollar going back to 7/2001:
    http://content.screencast.com/users/peasant/folders/Default/media/22567e4a-7dc5-4401-aa92-b36f5b1e0b00/dollar_weekly.PNG

    and a daily chart of the corrective wave which started in March 2008.
    http://content.screencast.com/users/peasant/folders/Default/media/e6d6f4c9-5d85-4564-ba71-848d8edf6a6f/dollar_daily.png

    Looking at both of those charts, are we still in the corrective wave from March 2008? There is an abc correction from March 08 to March 09 and then an ABC correction from March till now. If the dollar does catch a bid at 80 then I expect oil, gold, and stocks to tank in the short-term but then who wants to buy the dollar knowing that our own govt is trying to devalue it?
    Does the last couple of weeks in the bond and currency markets indicate that China and other foreign central banks are dumping their treasuries? Are nations converting their dollar reserves to euro and yen?


  • rhae
    You may be correct... I was looking at the Forex futures charts of major currencies. No doubt the dollar has been pounded lately... And the others getting over heated short term. I agree that the dollar may see 72 or even lower. But, short term I would not underestimate the GREED of Forex traders.
  • To all the gold miner bears out there.....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC9OeOG9pnQ

    Off to spend some quality time under the sink fixing plumbing....have a good and safe day everybody.
  • katzo7
    IMO still could go either way. I am positioned short. Hoping pressure from both the Weekly and the 60 will bring Daily down. Awaiting a potential break of EW count Daily. Oscillator a bit too high for me in Weekly, not clean Weekly. But note the relative oscillator sizes in the 60, up and down moves. Did up move run out of stream?
    Ignore the spelling errors in center panel, screen grabbed too early.

    http://www.screencast.com/users/katzo7/folders/Jing
  • rhae
    think I will just concentrate on good set-ups and forget everything else.... DUG seems to be setting up nicely. hmmm, GDX short / DUG long they both are getting over cooked on opposite sides. (daily)
  • Breathe Katzo....Breathe.... Go walk the dog and pet the wife or vice versa, enjoy your Holiday and to any vets who may be lurking here... "Thank You".

    You are correct, even if your link doesn't work, the weekly is in fact bullish we have to go up this summer before we dump. Short Term is down the fed has to scare the living bejesus out of everybody to get them to buy their snake oil, this depends on them selling deflation. Who knows they may even be right. Deflation equals tanked equities (this is a reflation/inflation bear market rally), lower gold, stronger dollar and ta da! less risk aversion which can only be good for T-bills. (and guess who has lots and lots of T-bills).
  • BTW Hats off to all the Veterans, we thank you for your service. My Dad being one of them!
  • katzo7
    No to dog.
    Yes to wife.
    Wish it was the other way around! ROTFLMAO
    Just kidding.
    I think I mentioned this before but they just did a poll. About 90% of men polled stated that best state for man was unmarried.
    90% of women polled said best state for women was married. What does that say?
    Sorry about link, had trouble with it this morn. Surprisingly I checked it right after and it worked.
    http://www.screencast.com/users/katzo7/folders/Jing/media/16d65ea6-2d6a-42c6-8a97-756188bc7fc2

    And I am predicting a down, not up Lost. But in reality, it could go either was at this point.
  • Mastachopchop
    Thanks Fujisan. This is awesome.
  • katzo7
    HE'S BACK (ned). bankownedbyamerica1

    Jack Nicholson said, "ned, get a life. You can't handle the truth."
  • FMTarwater
  • You got it in before me - I was about to say that the 15 point move in ES was because of N Korea doing nuclear test... All it will do is push oil prices up.. The move in ES was a blip - some got screwed.. I view it as a good opportunity to scalp some ES points going long.
  • I was just posting an ad on craigslist.. Towards the end of the posting process, they show two words which we are supposed to type back (safeguard against bots doing automated posts)..

    The two words in this case were "recession" and "hemp"... hmm... got no job.... sit at home and smoke pot !!!!
  • Leon
    Just curious if anyone is following and/or trading the futures tonight. I was pretty surprised to see ES jump up 6 points considering the down close on Friday, but then to see it give up almost all 6 of those points made more sense.

    Normally a late day reversal leads to a continuation in the same direction the next day, correct?
  • Completely meaningless - don't even worry about that. Let's wait until Tuesday early morning to get a more valid reading.
  • Mole as usual you were right on checking out this a.m.'s futures looks like we are right back were we were @ 6pmEST yesterday. +!
  • Blind_Squirrel
    Troll alert!!!!!!!!!!
  • I got em BS. Feels good to nuke first thing in a.m. :-D
  • roscoe_casita
    Hey, every time he shows up, futures drops a few points!

    Perfect indicator, let'em keep this account, might be able to market it, heck maybe even sell it back to Ned =D
  • StockFuturesSurging
    Stomping out those green shoots? interesting...

    shortie got squeezed cover cover cover

    dOW 3000 SOON??? Interesting..
    http://screencast.com/t/gpUqY50pfX...
  • buyemsellem2000
    If that shot of roundup last week doesn't kill those green shoots don't worry because agent orange is coming.
  • rhae
    about 80% of my miner list flashed short signals Friday close, including GDX
  • katzo7
    rhae,
    Jury is out IMO about GDX.
    http://www.screencast.com/users/katzo7/folders/Jing/media/8887fe77-ac08-48c9-9e7a-6fe357331bba
    Note the lack of drop of in buying pressure, it could be still headed higher?
  • Osso
    based on...???? tks
  • rhae
    sure, I think of it like poker, I know we shouldn't gamble, but it's an odds thing.
    First card dealt.... every night I run my lists thru my scanner to see what pops up... stocks, sectors... GDX an Ace
    2nd card dealt... check my Hurst cycle on GDX, 1-10, it is at 10, extreme over bought, note: Hurst cycles are pickier than my scanner, many times the cycle is in no man's land and generates a 5 or 6, any way GDX an Ace here.... I usually will not take the trade without extremes.
    3rd card... check the daily chart, shooting star near channel top, another Ace
    4th card ...Calculated R%S levels... very close to 93.75, a King
    5th card... Has not been Played, that get's played Tuesday
    Hell I might even fold if my set-up does not Hit...

    Katzo is correct,the Fat Lady has to Sing... but not bad odds setting up

    snap of card #1 http://screencast.com/t/xaxYNeat9
  • katzo7
    As a short term play there may be a few down points to be had in GDX.
  • ZigZag
    Thanks Rhae..Went short GDX on Friday.

    http://tinyurl.com/okn54c
  • Osso
    good chart...tks....pullback to 39...for new entry long...???
  • ZigZag
    Hi Osso,

    Yes..Well, that's what I'm betting will happen. Stop is just above Fridays high. :-)
  • StockFuturesSurging
    Stomping out those green shoots? interesting...

    shortie got squeezed cover cover cover

    fujtures are surging..S&P 500 up 25 points Tuesday http://thestreet.com/t/sopinion/story/kjgpUqY50pfX...
  • ZigZag
  • Guest
    If the S&P 500 opens up 25pts on Tuesday, with every rat here as my witness, I will wire you $10k before 10am EST.
  • roscoe_casita
    anyone ever see the Sunday night jump? @ Midnight PST?

    On /ES, seen it jump 1-5 points before, big gaping hole. (2-3 times now, so doesn't count for much)


    Hard to catch because it only happens 1 time a week, I'll be looking tonight though.
  • I have been on that Jump, for me its 9PM Hawaii Time.

    It is when the Brits show up, and they love to party, it gets wild.

    But I have noticed a large swing at the start, and then usually reversal from that swing. Watch your volume, it picks up BIG TIME.
    I cant see clear Elliot Waves though, although some FIB seems to work. Let me know if you get more insight, always nice to make a grand on Sunday night.....this screen cap is data from previous Sunday, the hour 21 at bottom is 9PM Hawaii time, notice the 5 point drop and reversal.

    http://screencast.com/t/okLCg8mje5e
  • Morals violation: The Chauffeur by Duran Duran, it has got to be better than watching futes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ2LsNWsN4U
  • katzo7
    Yup MOVIO.
    +1 LOL
  • Blind_Squirrel
    Hedgehog

    http://video.yahoo.com/network/100000086?v=5017561&l=100000085

    BTW S&P's video he posted last week has added almost 1 million more views!!!!!
    Love that song.

    http://video.yahoo.com/network/100000086?v=5017561&l=100000085

    Woman with 130 cats!!!
    Anna: Don't go this far!!!!

    I'd hate to have change the damn litter boxes!!!!!!!

    http://video.yahoo.com/network/100000086?v=5017561&l=100000085

    Links are'nt working right, go to page, click on Hedgehog and
    then Woman with 130 cats.

  • Nice BS, I would never go that far, BTW I have only 1 litter box, and that's in the garage, I am somewhat obsessive with cleanliness.
    Most cats hang on on my nice piece of property, (I will post a pic so you can see they have the good life) So they have a whole huge preserve to hang on and kill rats and snakes in.
    Snake snails and little chameleon tails LOL
  • Blind_Squirrel
    Ya know, the one thing that struck me was how clean the place was, they had
    their chairs, almost like it was their playroom.
  • LMOL I just saw this! ;-)
  • innatedc
    Ok gang here is a play. CME. It was passed around the board a bit on Friday so I did my due diligence and took a short here at near end of day (I'm actually already up over $3 from entry) but it is still a good one to take a position depending on how much of a gap and/or fade there is on Tues. You will notice on my chart that it has made a double top and on a previous double top CME dropped $50 in 5-6 days. I see the same thing happening (especially with all the bear signs in the market right now) starting next week. My timeline is to Friday, maybe the Mon-Tues next week. Stop is at $299. Watch for the trendline to perhaps provide a stall but I am expecting it to break. When it reaches the line, I will move stop to 288-289 area.

    http://www.screencast.com/users/innatedc/folders/Jing/media/daa45bfa-d7b2-4944-a7a3-923472c2cf1c

    Will repost tomorrow on your day off.....welcome any feedback of course (especially points, I'm trying to catch up to Katzo)
  • katzo7
    LOL
    I knew they would/might stick a few blokes with an upgrade. Very timely. Nice call we hope.
    And love competition.
    inna-88 points
    katzo-461
    +1 por vous, game on!
  • Yeesh another day another ass kicking for Uncle Buck, makes me think shorting gold wasn't the brightest idea.
  • katzo7
    I try to be a contextualist, that is to take bits and pieces and try to make sense of if it. And this forum is great, the amount of quality leadership, articles found on the net is amazing. Thanks mole for sponsoring this. IMO America is broken and I can point this up with a true story. When my daughter got into the workforce at the age of 16, I was questioning her about her hours as a waitress during the summer. She retorted, "But Dad, I am working as hard as I can, 20 hours per week." Now get out the violins. I worked six days a week at that age during the summer to save for college. Most boys think playing video games in their rooms all day long constitutes "work." Look at recent history of the SEC. IMO, housed by spoiled preppy products of higher ed who wouldn't know a scandal if it fell and hit them on the head! That statement should get me into some trouble! Still want a job over there, easy work if you can get it.

    Which leads me to something I think Alphahorn (I think it was Alpha, forgive me if I am wrong) said somewhere, that there was a 33 year supply of McMansions on the market. America has scaled up. And consequently irreparably hurt some of its youth. Will the young be satisfied with living in small apartments instead of what they are accustomed to, that is hot tubs, microwaves, big screen TVs, granite counters, matching stainless steel appliances, dishwashers, security systems, fancy cars, boats, pools? (BUT DAD, I AM TOO BUSY TO CLEAN TO POOL!) What I am developing here directly relates to "reality-based expectations" that is expectations based on real income, not previous life style. But I guess we all new to dream.

    When I was counseling an acquaintance who had just been laid off, I said, "one has to have a back up plan." She poignantly said, "that job was my back up plan." I don't mean to be flippant here but competition is now rampant in America, whether for jobs or even for a comfortable retirement. That is what the bankster scandal was all about, see an opportunity (streets paved in gold) take it. No matter what! As we have just been shown, all baby boomers cannot get out of the narrow door at the same time with the goods ($$). It will be interesting to see what is in store for America in the next five to ten years. Hopefully I will still be able to watch it unfold on my big screen TV. ROTFLMAO.

    **When interviewing a Chinese student, he said to me, we Chinese are not smarter than Americans, we just work on our studies 18 hrs. a day.

    I think I just might have pissed off as many as I could here.
  • standard_and_poor
    Dear Mr. Katzo, my assistant and I here at C.S.U.A.K. were quite impressed with your knowledge of Japanese woodblocks.

    We both had a discomforting thought that perhaps we had misjudged you and posssibly
    had wrongly relegated you down to the category of the common back alley rabies infected scum sucking rat .

    Your last comments sent our misgivings to a screeching halt!
    http://www.screencast.com/t/7XZq4ePv

    signed Standard_And_Poor, Chairman of Chinese Students Unite Against Katzo - C.S.U.A.K.

    (no offense to anyone except Katzo)






  • katzo7
    THIS CAME ACROSS MY DESK-Letter #1
    Dear Mr. Standard and Poor,
    We hare at Standard and Poor, a hidden subsidairy of Global Sacks (of cash) have recently discovered that you are using a copyrighted name and symbol for your moniker on an EVIL site. We are asking you to cease and desist in using this name immediately or we will have no option other than to file charges in court! We have many lawyers in shark-skinned suits that are on retainer and that we would like to keep busy. Now, I can see your posting was 2 hrs. ago so your being up late (sleep deprivation) might have something to do with your usage of our name. Sleep deprivaion can cause people to do strange things. And let us warn you, usual charges judges find for this infraction are $1000. That is $1000 per usage retroactive. That should scare the Haines briefs off of you! Perhaps you should consider a cool moniker like katzo11.
    The Real Standard and Poor
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba7QvrreqU4 (in our opinion, you are the deer)
    THIS CAME ACROSS MY DESK-Letter #2
    Dear S&P,
    As an educational institute, we take pride in representing and defending a multicultural attitude towards the learning environment. Hater organizations are no-nos. We choose to bring to our campus only those who think likewise. False, derogatory, and erroneous statements will not be tolerated. They are abhorrent in our opinion. It has come to our attention that you are a card carrying member of CSUAK (Katzo represents perhaps the best form of multi-culturalist and has recently become named a desi-an Indian honor), an organization "at odds" with our esteemed values. Part of your organization's charter seems to be the hating of sushi and wasabi (和佐比), and you use a broken Chinese fortune cookie as your symbol. How insensitive! Therefore, your invitation to our campus has been rescinded.
    Signed,
    MITJACOFADOEC
    Mass Institute of Tech. Japanese and Chinese Organization for the Anti-Defamation of Eastern Cultures
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OACTnO6qks&feature=PlayList&p=74355AE7A419DEA2&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=32
    For retribution, you have to find, identify each of the individuals in this vid and get their signatures.
    Now go to bed!
  • standard_and_poor
    gOOD oNE, I almost believed it.




    ________________________________
  • Regarding your 16 year old daughter: just tell her to wear a short skirt and she'll double the amount of tips she pulls.

    (j/k) I know how puritan you damn Yanks are.
  • katzo7
    I come from the spartan side of puritanville. LOL

    And that is true, she learned that very early. Hundreds of dollars were displayed at the dining room table which is now in the hands of tat artists and piercers. But dad you are sooo old fashioned, sooo conservative, BTW, can I have a C note. My reply, go take one of those tats back, get a refund.
    LOL
  • I added a little section above - please take a look.
  • Fujisan
    Thanks for additional comments, Mole. Great minds think alike??
  • Exactly - that's what I thought. You even visualized in a similar fashion - cool deal :-)
  • Blind_Squirrel
  • trabuco
    shhhhhh.....stop trying to ruin my business....
  • Blind_Squirrel
    Au Contraire!!!!!!!

    I'm trying to help it grow!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • katzo7
    Nice find BS. This should be sent to everyone in DC.
  • Blind_Squirrel
    Trust me, they know!!!!!!!!!!!!

    They are figuring out how to try and stop it.
    Go through site and you will see what I mean.
  • HowLow
    Fuji-san great post .Like everybody here always looking for a risk free trade which there is not .I need to paper trade this strategy to play with it .Goal;No-cost trade that benefits from time decay .You may have to use european exerise options or future options .Enter same under lying a call credit spread front month maybe one standard deviation OTM then enter back month call debit spread maybe same strike maybe not your trying to get the bear call to pay for the bull call .Both spreads move in tandem and don't suffer big draw down implied volatility move the same each day the trade is near delta neutral the position is hedge directionally and provides positive theta. I would think it would be best in a sideways to up market . The front month credit spread loseing value each day the later-expiring debit spread also decays but not as much. If the front month goes in the money theta goes against you so you may want to exit it and let the bull call run. Also calls on indexes are slightly underpriced so selling a underpriced call and buying a more underpriced one seem like the way to go if you use puts the implied volatililty on the strike you sell has a lower IV then the one you buy.I'am not a expert spread trader so it's just a idea feel free to critique......Congrats to Helio raceday winner////////
  • katzo7
    OK, Fujisan asked for a song dedicated to her for her excellent options research. From how I look at it, the only option I have experienced is the option to loose all of your money. In keeping with my excellent reputation (Mr. MOMO) I selected this one for her, and for all of mole le cool's fly girls, K and Anna. I know you are all out there right now. And for mole's others I know he keeps hidden in the background. You know who you are. LOL

    One unbelievable song, his best, by a guy who unfortunately didn't live a fully productive life. Dad got in the way.
    Enjoy with full volume.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVTN5o9Kgu8
    When i get that feeling....... ... i need sexual heeeeeeeeeallliing.

    BTW, really good with ear buds.

    And one more, guys with heart problems do not dare to watch. This goes out to Anna, get me an ice cube dear!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8a2rGM94X4&NR=1

  • Fujisan
    Oh, this is classic. Thanks, Katzo.
  • Iguanadon
    Goldman Sachs is running the country... An article to add to the GS mystique...

    http://buffalobeast.com/136/Credibility%20Default.html
  • katzo7
    URL won't load for me.
  • Count_de_Monee
  • Alright you guys - click right here.

    I can't but help admire how good these cats are at playing this game. I'm a fucking piker compared with those guys.
  • Mastachopchop
    Clearly playing chess.
  • Iguanadon
    Show off.

    Thanks Mole.
  • Count_de_Monee
    Fujisan,

    Thanks once again for your wonderful posts which I will have to print tomorrow at work and study intensely to better understand them.

    Remember folks, it's not a holiday in Europe so the markets here will be open. I'm guessing tomorrow we spend all day in the red here.
    In fact, I've decided to take this week off and just leave my short positions on indefinitely instead of daytrading. I doubt we'll get a much better entry point on the short side anytime soon. So what if we go up another 20-30 SPX points? I'm pretty confident we will be seeing sub 850 sooner than 950.

    Have a good holiday rats and do try to remember what the day is all about.
    Let's hope the present/next generations haven't grown too soft in the west and have the same dedication to defending our way of life.
    Believe me, we're gonna need all the help we can muster.
  • ZigZag
    I'm with you Count...I'm short since May 8th and I will add on any rise.

    http://tinyurl.com/r99snx
  • innatedc
    Same here feeling very good about my shorts.....I will be posting another play later on..
  • Hi Count, I am in your camp! :-) Great minds think alike. I went short S&P Friday @ 892, added @ 888 and feel rather comfortable about it :-D
    Thanks to all you guys who give those great EW charts, I am getting it!
  • Count_de_Monee
    "Great minds think alike"
    You honor me with those words Anna.
  • ahh thank you!
  • katzo7
    Just sent you an email.

    We should be able to tell whether bear claws are evident or if we get a bull horn up the butt by Tues/Wed.
  • lilme
    Fuji-san, thank you for your lesson on two items on my list to learn: options and hedging, and your cautions on risk/reward in this challenging environment.

    Also, and this may be stretching it, can I know the name of the painter and the painting? I have peered at it for a long time to find out what the people are doing and if it is Mt. Fuji in the background? A weakness of search engines is that they are verbal, and pictures are hard to find.

    Thank you again for your much appreciated efforts - and Mr. Mole as well.
  • Fujisan
    Thanks. This is HOKUSAI's painting and he has a famous series of "36 scenes of Mt. Fuji (Fujisan)" and I thought that these paintings go well with my screen name. One of my favorites is the painting that I used for my last week's post with big ocean waves.
  • lilme
    Thanks, Fuji-san, I thought the last one was a reference to EWT. It is a good symbol for your Fuji-san name.
  • Fujisan
    Yeah, Lordted also commented that it has a "fib" beauty.
  • katzo7
    Fujisan,
    I am surprised at you. LOL The Options Queen getting something wrong?
    That wasn't a painting last week THE GREAT WAVE, that was a Ukiyo-e woodblock print!
    OK, next time I am out on the west coast, I will give you 40 lashings with a wet noodle!
  • Fujisan
    Katzo, you are right! It's not a "painting", it's a woodblock print. You are good!
  • My neighbor actually has hundreds of those - many of them are tryptics - they are three panel prints. They are all originals - if you ever come to L.A. I will show them to you - you won't believe your eyes.
  • Fujisan
    You cannot be serious!! Are they TRUELY originals? Oh Wow! I thought that most of those major Ukiyo-e were owned by museums, not by individuals. It's totally amazing! I'm on my way to LA now.
  • katzo7
    I have a funny story (oh God katzo, not another f**king true story) told to me by the curator of the U. of Wisconsin Museum. Frank Llyod Wright used to deal in Japanese Ukiyo-e woodblock prints. He would go to Japan and pay for the trip by bringing a selection of them back to Madison and selling them off. One year he met someone in Japan who said, come out to my shop in the country and I will sell you lots of woodblock prints cheap. He did and brought them back and sold them to his clients. It was not long before it was determined that they were forgeries and money was demanded back. He decided to throw a huge party and replace the forgeries with "good" ones, but no one came as they expected the "good" ones would also be forgeries. Eventually Wright went bankrupt and the bank held the thousands (I think it was like 4-5000 prints) of prints for collateral. Well, of course, Wright could not come up with the money to get them back, so guess who stepped up with the cash, U. of Wisconsin Art Museum, and bought them all for about $1 each. Thus, one of the major Japanese Ukiyo-e woodblock collections was established in this country in one fell swoop. True story!
  • Fujisan
    Oh, that's funny, and I heard a story like this before, so it must be true!
  • katzo7
    IMO is it true. Museum curators cannot lie. Their job is to evaluate, verify.
    Imagine $1 per print.
  • katzo7
    When did you say you wanted me to come out mole?
  • bergs
    Fujisan

    Enjoy your spicey entre`s to the Evil BBQ menu

    Before I head out to get toasted for my own BBQ tonight I wanted to share this saucy look at the $spx.

    http://screencast.com/t/0rnwpAMb
  • Blind_Squirrel
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_Horizon

    Global Economy Beyond Event Horizon
  • Blind S BTW are you long/short market?
  • Blind_Squirrel
  • katzo7
    Unbelievable find for a Blind Squirrel, the USDEBTCLOCK.
  • BS Will futures still start @ 6pm tonight (being US is only one with holiday)? thanks and thanks for the info, as far as shooting star, I like that! :-)
  • Blind_Squirrel
    6PM - 11:30 AM. How's the weather? Over 4" here, was going to go to Siesta
    on Friday,
    but ended up staying here. Have to get over soon to get my mail and take
    care of a few things.
  • BS, So the futures will trade from 6pm tonight till 11:30 am tomorrow, Wow you are just a wealth of info! thank you..:-)

    Actually finally stopped here last night and so far sunny today , but you know those PM thundershowers can pop up anytime, we had rain for 6 days straight up here. Thanks god for a break. 20 inches this week.

    Sorry about your trip Siesta Key is beautiful!! I am working out again today, stepping up the workouts. Bikini season you know LOL
  • Blind_Squirrel
    Short nervously.

    Katzo and I are still heartbroken that you did not join our circle of trust.
    Bikini Season? Hmmppfff!!! Katzo and I have moved on even though he wanted
    me to contact my friend, Jackie Barron @ WFLA 8 and my contacts @ WTVT 13,
    ABC 17 and CBS 10 to get to the bottom of the picture mystery. Jackie lives
    on Siesta
    (have her on speed dial). As despondent as Katzo is, I told him I could not
    abuse
    my power with the media.

    Have contacts from Ft. Myers to Tampa at networks stations from the
    Environmental
    Work I did in Sarasota. My top draw brought in 5 helicopters, affiliates
    from Ft. Myers to Tampa, Weather Channel, and NBC network truck. Milked
    that story for months.
  • LOL you should talk to your friend and we can put that at rest. ;-)

    are you short ES NQ?
  • Blind_Squirrel
    Are you implying that Katzo is holding out
    on his Consigliere???????

    If so I'm going to have to have some people
    put some Lobsta heads at the foot of his bed
    Monday Morning!!!!!
  • Blind_Squirrel
    Both
  • StockFuturesSurging
    Stomping out those green shoots? interesting...

    shortie got squeezed cover cover cover

    dOW 3000 SOON??? Interesting..
    http://screencast.com/t/gpUqY50pfX...
  • Squidman
    Hey Anna in the bikini at the mall,

    How did you hedge/close your June 33 Q puts last week if you don't mind telling?
  • Hi Squiddy I have a picture for you :-)
    how cute is this (my asian bengal)
    http://www.screencast.com/users/Annamall/folders/Jing/media/aeac389d-3876-42f0-b527-514ad088ac90

    I dumped those quickly last week when the market kept pushing up Monday. I am a bit more simple in my option strategies than Fuji, with the IV so low right now I am doing allot more straight calls puts.
    My other fav is Verticals or Butterflies. (especially @ OPX or earnings)

  • katzo7
    Your pic of the pu**y (never liked that word) cat is a bit out of focus or it is the martini entering my brain cells right now. Notice the sensitivity of this hominid, early but pony-tailed and very sensitive to woman's issues.

    Don't ever let B Squirrel know but I will meet you again at that special spot. I bring the cosmos, you bring yourself. It seems that my twin, I am the Schwarzenegger, he the DeVito, is insanely jealous of my accomplishments.
  • LOL I was laughing so hard when she (the cat) just sat there with that turban on her head, so my hand was probably jiggling.

    No no we must never tell shhhhhhh..
  • katzo7
    Like my song choice sweetie?
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