First Floor Please!

A quick chart for you rats to chew on and to paint the picture for tomorrow:

Bottom line: The trend is down and judging by various momentum and trend indicators we seem to be on the brink of a very meaningful correction. It is possible that Primary {3} started last Friday, but at this point the preferred count is that we are tracing out (X) of {2} which will be followed by a (Z) of {2} to the upside (and thus complete Primary {2}).

Purely technically speaking it’s possible that we concluded a B or 2nd wave today, as proposed by the green scenario. I’m still not sure exactly what wave degree we are painting right now, hence the spike today was either a Minute {ii} wave or we are currently tracing out a Minor B wave (i.e. a zigzag) to the upside. However, although only a 23.6% fib retracement is necessary to satisfy EWT rules for a b-wave correction it would clearly be a bit on the shallow side. Frankly, I would like to see a run up to 925 if possible – of course the question remains whether or not we’re going to get it.

The market is a cruel mistress and how often have we found ourselves hoping for a chance to enter when the market keeps running off without us being able to jump in. And on the flip side – we had many hopeful moments in the past few months when we thought we had a great entry and then got burned by a sudden spike to the upside leading to losses. I can guarantee you right here and now that the majority of the bears did not load up at 956 (which completed a 5th wave at its minimum target) and are waiting for a chance to jump in. Which is actually why I even bothered to put the green scenario on the map tonight – it’s quite possible that this thing is going to keep running to the downside without a meaningful correction – thus forcing many bears to take non-optimal entries and perhaps even take trades ahead of snap backs.

Whatever you do tomorrow – don’t attempt to chase this tape. Remember the ‘big day’ of OPX week was today – Thursday and Friday are traditionally pretty flat and you’ll see diminished participation. So, let the market come to you – if the tape melts up towards 928 then loading up on some puts is probably not the worst idea – weekend theta burn be damned. If we drop tomorrow past the prior 903.79 low then we do ‘technically’ have confirmation that lower tape is ahead, but you might grap those puts right before a sudden rally and then will have to endure theta burn for days, possibly frustrating you to the point of ‘just wanting to get out’. Market makers love desperation trades – they are most profitable – for them.

So, although you guys probably don’t want to hear this, but the ‘good karma’ trade will be to sell the rips – remember, it’s better wishing to be in the market than wishing to be out ;-)

Last pointer before I turn into a pumpkin: Unless you have traded options for at least one year stay away from June options before they expire, okay? If you know what you are doing you can bank a lot of coin with ATM/ITM front month options in the last two days of OPX week as they turn into the equivalent of so called ‘mini futures’. There is practically no time (theta) value left, and thus a jump in the tape can be extremely profitable. However, this is also a great way to lose a lot of coin, especially since the market makers are wearing full combat gear and are not afraid to use their high voltage cattle prods to paint the tape any damn way they please. If you are still holding June options – sell them – that’s what you should have done today. And if any of the above is unclear to you – just stay away. Don’t get greedy, play it small, and live to tell the story.

See you on the other side – don’t worry – we will get our chance to jump in.

This entry was posted on Thursday, June 18th, 2009 at 12:35 am and is filed under Elliott Wave Theory, Market Outlook, Option Strategies, Trading. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

  • Its official now - I am not playing RIMM earnings any more... I sold my vertical call spreads today for break even.

    The only way I can get this WRONG for the 6th TIME IN A ROW if RIMM knocks it out of the park.

    A bit relevant for traders: Call open interest is way higher than put open interest. Contrarian in me would say that RIMM goes down after earnings. But I am staying out..
  • I've tried the same in the past two months and must confess that earnings plays are not for me. It seems that only Fujisan and Annamall are able to get them right.
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  • I still think a decent rally is coming. May get reversal back to 905 today to shake people out but i'll add to my longs at that point. Overall still not a large position.

    Edit: Short 914 as hedge
  • C C Rider
    Mole, What's your game plan? 925 short or wait?
  • ropey
    RIMM pricing in a ~7$ move give or take - frontmonth IV ~183%
  • Keirsten
    Thanks for the updates on RIMM Ropey- I think Mole and Amgrant sent me their colds/headaches/allergies and other various ailments yesterday, so slogging along here today watching....
  • ropey
    No probs - probably safest to sit on the sidelines - guaranteed not to lose lol
  • C C Rider
    Quercetin
  • Keirsten
    Que? Does that come with a loaded gun? :-)
  • mediatik
    Ive got a theorie about how cndc uses subliminal messages to brainwash its viewers just take for example whats goiing on now you see Geithner speaking a nd at the same time theirs the dow oversized ticker and it shows the dow positive with the big + 66 like they want use to associate Geithner to a positive dow

    It may sound crazy but its just NLP = neuro linguistic programming were your brain associate a stimulus to a person or situation alot of emotions and phobia associated with certain things ( emotion toward a song or perfum , phobia toward dogs or fear of flight ) are forme that way by unconscously associating a situation to a stimulus

    Now thats just a theorie but since i saw a video of cnbc live of a voice in the background saying and i qote ''its going higher, wait for it, now buyyyyy '' i have become realy suspicious of them. And watching Jeff Macke flipped out on air confirmed to me that something i realy wrong with the staff.

    What do you all think
  • isaiah64v4
    Keirsten

    I shorted OIH earlier this morning but covered too early. I read where $$$$ is leaving the oil sector. Are you still holding DTO or plan to get in?

    GDII

    I see where Katzo is at Slope of Hope and Ace Traders... Yesterday Mole hurt his feelings. It did not end well.
  • Keirsten
    Hi Isaiah- No I traded out of DTO, but interested to see it sent out a SAR buy signal yesterday, so watching it for a new entry. I've been going in and out of OIH too- I'll wait to get on full force once we get past OPEX week methinks.
  • isaiah64v4
    Thanks for that little tid bit about holding off till OPEX. Make sense. See that is why you and Fujisan are my two favorite traders. Always giving great trade ideas and tips. Hope you and Fujisan saw my tribute post to you two yesterday. The Empress of Options & The Queen of Sway! :-)
  • Keirsten
    YW Isaiah- I missed your post- I'll go back and find it. I wish I had Fuji and Anna's option knowledge- those girls really nail it! The key will be to see where it seems this will be at closing tomorrow and get positioned (or sit on hands) through the weekend. We'll know when we get there? Trying to look back at last year's tape and the effect of Russell re-balancing on price action to possibly factor that in too next week. To be continued.....
  • I flipped june puts for 150% profit this morning..

    I also got a good entry into july 100 puts.
  • Keirsten
    Nice job MLMT! You have really been on a roll!
  • It has been better days past few weeks I must say.. I just read Dr. Brett's article on how trader's tend to increase trade size as they are successful - i realized I was doing that.. and have scaled back considerably since today.




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  • How's everyone doing!!!! ain't no big thing - all on schedule, we broke out of the channel on i of c, then backtested it on ii, notice the RSI stayed above 50!!!!! key to comfort as it tells us we're reading it correctly, wave c correction

    http://www.screencast.com/users/alphahorn/folders/Jing/media/a512b2b7-4828-47c4-aa68-8fbfb5bc434f
  • thelefteyeguy
    im getting a lot of things done today lol

    ...sitting tight being right...

    hopefully we be closer to the end of wave C by this afternoon or by noon tomorrow :)

    i will take a short position at 923 (25%) and at 929 (25%)...still holding 50% from 950
  • today is so quiet, so boring.
    where are the evil's angles and katzo?
  • katzo is at slope today captain mole bought him an airline ticket he will return soon enough
  • Autopsias
    Katso had a slap on the hand yesterday...

    I for one miss him...
  • Again - we should be focused on banking coin - this is a trading blog after all ;-)
  • I can assure you that if all you were discussing was trades, there will be far far fewer people here.. You can choose what you want... after all it is your blog.

    Especially for all those who do this full time, this is like your work place... folks would chit chat with each other... this is also *the proverbial water cooler* where jokes are cracked etc etc... Check out other blogs - there is a whole lot of same going on..

    Finally it is your blog and you get to decide what you want.
  • I for one always try to keep a balance between chit chat and substance. And if people cannot take a word of criticism without 'getting their feelings hurt' I feel sorry for them. Especially traders should have a thicker skin.

    Funny thing is that he's now on the Slope posting very factual and substantive comments - LOL :-)
  • Constructive criticism is generally emailed privately.
  • Not really - especially constructive criticism should be brought up in the open.

    BTW, I told him in private before and after two days or so he reverted back to his old self.
  • thelefteyeguy
    he's likely moderating another board...
  • Keirsten
    Hi GDII- I'm here, but just scalping away at this pitiful tape.

  • Bought july 92 spy puts. Sold june 92 spy puts. With june premium at $1 should be able to pocket profit with spy closing above 91 tomorrow and simply lose comission costs if spy closes below 91.
  • Osso
    sold half SSG at 36.70...... lifting my SSG sloss to 35.90 for the other half........profitable already.
    Seawolves.....may be interested.
  • osso thx a bunch my friend if all at 36.89 am in fas down a bit need a good entry # on faz
  • Osso
    sold the rest at 36.85.....out.....money in pocket. GL on faz...
  • meant sold @ 36.89
  • Just flipped half a dozen OIH Jun 100 puts - in for 30 cents; out for 77 cents
  • So doing my morning duties, it seems to me we are somewhat in limbo right now. Even EW'ers are having trouble with their counts. Mixed bag right now.
  • Really - which Elliottician are you referring to?
  • stealthadvisor
    speaking of Elliotticians, do you have an opinion of this guy:

    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/06/prweb2537224.htm

    This is his site:

    http://www.neowave.com/index.asp
  • Count_de_Monee
    Morning rats,

    Interesting reading that may explain why the tape these last few months has been so difficult to navigate.
    http://blog.themistrading.com/?p=158
  • Excellent read - thanks for that!
  • Count_de_Monee
    My pleasure Mole.
    I haven't been contributing much lately as I've been very busy with other stuff, so I try to make it count (no pun intended).
  • Picked up some FAZ $4.95
  • C.C. Rider
    Gap at 946.21 from 6/15...you don't suppose.....

    Tgt on dollar on breach of 80 is 79 for first bounce. VIX looks like it wants to fill gap at 28. Major hurdle on SPX at 925 and change.
  • thelefteyeguy
    really depends on whether you think we are on EW5 or on the corrective...
  • rhae
    to c Alfa? could happen I guess... starting to look a little parabolic to me as price stuggles thru R&S lines, or not...
    http://screencast.com/t/6cD9oUvOJ

    noticed my anchor point off a little but close enough... my price chart moves and my overlay does not... missed it on the snapshot
  • nice observation, but from EWP, p. 83: "Advancing C waves within upward corrections in larger bear markets are just as dynamic and can be mistaken for the start of a new upswing"
  • rhae
    I believe your chart is accurate. I have the EWP book , but must be a different edition 20th annivery ed. so the pages must be scrambled... I look at other thing with EW and try and decide if EW can achieve it's goal. SPX 5m pichfork (last swing anchors) top 922.
    very strong close resistance on 60m chart 925.32, Your top target of 931 nails fib ext 1.618... there seem to be some hurtles along the way.... I have not doubt with enough energy they can jump over them. But as usual seeing is believing...

    jeez, you'd think English was not my first language, lol always blame it on something... crumbs in the keyboard
  • XLF --IMO 12.05 is a good location to consider shorting -- that's the location of one of our magic green fib fan lines and also about where A=C of this minute correction.
  • how bout that tranny target
  • Booyah! You pretty much nailed it.

    Lol, you nailed the trannies.
  • fuw
    That is my target as well for shifting FAS to FAZ.
  • thelefteyeguy
    awesome...wonder if we will get there today or tomorrow...
  • Morning guys and gals
  • Osso
    SPX 919 is the max. retracement if the down move has legs to go further down....in iii of 3).
  • Be careful... more likely we're in wave 2, and will consolidate for a little while in this area. Fits in with standard OPEX whipsaw, too. I'll go short if we reach ~925 on the SPX.
  • the channel and extended 3 scenario is now trashed!
  • Osso
    think we may still be in the channel....as the 61.8% retracement is 918.8.....of the 928-904 move.
  • thelefteyeguy
    from Chart Pattern Trader...

    I think this might be A or C? .......not sure what to do? if this is A...C might hit 932

    http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID1926808&cmd=show[s165730646]&disp=P


    there is some resistance at 922...

  • we hit 919.30
  • CandleStickEmUpper
    green shoot! lets see if we can get past 914
  • scalped long we're on our way to 928, it seems
  • fuw
    Would like to see us punch through the resistance at 920 though, but it is looking good.
  • CandleStickEmUpper
    I am side-steppin' on this sideways tape for now
  • CandleStickEmUpper
    in-stepped long at 909.25 for a scalp
  • CandleStickEmUpper
    out at 915.75
  • standard_and_poor
    910.88 long.
  • thelefteyeguy
    good call!
  • ropey
    RIMM frontmonth IV now >180%...
  • ckeltner
    Stupid idea I am sure, but please humor me guys. I know Fujisan yesterday was talking about putting on a calender spread (selling june strike buying july strike) to take advantage of the high IV and what she felt was going to be little movement in the stock due to opex.

    If you feel that this is the case, how about something like a calender straddle, selling the june straddle and buying the july straddle at either the 75 or 80 strike price, the place the stock is most likely to be pinned? Right now the June is going for roughly 8 bucks at the 75 strike, giving you a range of 67 - 83 to make profit, with max profit if the stock doesn't move much as Fujisan believes. If it gaps you have an $8 cushion.

    Thoughts? Too risky? I might do a paper trade just to see how it would turn out.
  • ropey
    Never assume anything, what if rimm drops to under 65 or over 90 - it's entirely possible. And yes it could just sit there and they suck out the premium....papertrade would be a good idea. I'm hoping for an 80 - 85 pin but we'll see, right now they're baking in a ~15% move in rimm for tomorrow.

    Also i've noticed on a few earnings trades recently the moves have been getting muted in some cases that if follow so it is better to try and approach make $$ off the premium either running into earnings and getting out before they report or piggy backing off the direction the following day. Holding over the night rarely works ( even though i'm using a small spec position for this example ).....unless you go for a premium crush type play but they tend to not do that well on huge moves either - so the MM's have all their bases covered, its just a question of your risk/reward.

    Even though the gap is a tempting target i think i would be quite surprised if they filled it tomorrow especially with the reports mole and several others have put out on the macro picture, i think they will beat but my belief is the upmove tomorrow will be less than expected. The macrochart is not bullish at all and the stock has run huge since march ( you should not put too much emphasis on the latter imo ). Notice on the last report the upmove the following day also smallish then it found it's momo over the following few weeks. Given the S&P+QQQQ position it's likely that its going to stall around this area for now...

    There's significant volume+OI around 70 and around 80-85 so my guess is rimm will probably settle stay in that range already tomorrow....it looks like the 200ma on the daily is 70.....majority are betting on a huge move ( from the IV and straddle calcs ) so MM's can probably make the most by just keeping it within the range this time..

    Analysts have also apparently been increasing estimates ..

    Hedge accordingly.

  • ckeltner
    Thank you, I appreciate the feedback
  • ropey
    Right now its a 7$ approx they're baking in, just using the straddle/strangle method - it's approximate and not 100% obviously so trade with care. I don't usually trade earnings these days, its usually just a couple of stocks, it's a sure fire way to blow your account up very quickly.
  • EDC
    from zero hedge
    "# AutoZone Board authorized repurchase of an addln $500M of co's common stock.

    isn't this usually the sign of a top? Why not buy up at the bottom, over confidence after the markets pushed up price...

    thoughts?
  • roscoe_casita
    A few companies did this during '29 (Don't have infos atm), i believe they all went BK in the end.
  • I'm probably crazy for posting this, but here's my Costanza trade for the day: http://www.srsfinance.com/stock-market-commentary/lets-think-outside-the-box/

  • Osso

    Todays upcoming reports

    8:30 Jobless Claims
    9:30 Geithner speaks before the Senate Banking Committee
    10:00 Leading Indicators
    10:00 Philly Fed Business Outlook
    10:30 EIA Natural Gas Inventory
    4:30 PM Fed Balance Sheet
    4:30 PM Money Supply
  • DoubleNaughtSpy
    Happy Phi Day!!!

    The sweet 61.8% fib on the $RUT
    http://tinyurl.com/l2wyc6

    Point & Figure chart confirms the 61.8% fib. (close enough for government work)
    http://tinyurl.com/nmwl8w
  • standard_and_poor
    I think we'll have a green day today, we need to clear 910 prior to 10:30 e.t. IMHO.
  • Yes, another reason i favor the correction scenario that still has a leg up is that the SPX and VIX were both down yesterday, which typically leads to a green follow on day
  • Good morning all, the charts can appear somewhat FOGGY this morning, and we all know what can happen when we try to drive in the fog

    http://fr.truveo.com/200-car-pile-up-in-thick-Dubai-fog/id/2664983390

    Here's a look at some charts and you can see the possibilities that lie before us. Toward the end of the day on TUESDAY, I suggested that wave 3 might be extending, the strong move up yesterday seemed to refute that possibility, but actually as long as the channel isn't violated this wave count remains on. This 10 min SPX chart shows the two main wave counts, and there are even possibilities with these.

    One and two on the attched chart are the same for all scenarios, thereafter the colors are coordinated.

    The red numbers/letters shows the count most people are favoring, that 5 waves have been put in and we are now correcting this move. This could be the case, and if so we must determine has the abc correction unfolded already (we have retraced over the minimum 23.6%) or are we just in the b leg of this abc correction. The b leg is the more favored alternative, but oh the choices. Summary: Red scenario we've put in 5 legs down and have either corrected this or we are still correcting and should have a move up.

    Alternatively, did wave 3 extend as I previously thought and is it finished or still extending??? In which case it might be putting in a series of 1,2, 1,2s or did it finish and yesterday was wave 4 and the beginning of wave 5????? hmmm. Blue scenario summary: no chance we move up this morning beyond channel limits; if we breach this channel taking out yesterday's highs it's off. The correction is still to come.

    http://www.screencast.com/users/alphahorn/folders/Jing/media/a2da26a3-b525-4b9c-a823-3ebd40be32ef

    The prudent thing to do when driving in the fog is to pull over and wait for it to clear, otherwise you end up like the dudes in robes in the video.

    Saying that there are several reasons that I favor the red correction scenario that places us in the b leg. One reasons is that the transports have reached my target and are rebounding. They have put in an inverted H&S and should advance today, this is bullish for the market.

    http://www.screencast.com/users/alphahorn/folders/Jing/media/12c0ff4c-62c9-4a55-9c64-719899a74305


    Also, because of the target of the broken wedge on the 15 min SPX = 928ish (see green dashed line), I still favor the correction scenario. The other smaller wedge indicates the bottom target of the b leg, which has been reached, so I wouldn't expect too much further downside and a quick turn up for the beginning of c.

    http://www.screencast.com/users/alphahorn/folders/Jing/media/e02b63fc-d460-4024-b9c6-133cedd97953

    As far as trading this foggy mess, I am fairly hedged at the moment and remove the hedge in one direction once it is discerned.

    Regardless, I maintain my swing shorts in favor of the larger trend down.

    cheers

  • fuw
    Great analysis and it is great to have you here. Very clear to follow. I also favour the red scenario (and is positioned slightly bullish for the short term).

    Now after open TRIN have flipped to bullish territory and seems to be staying down.
  • thelefteyeguy
    awesome, Osso brought this up on the previous thread and we noticed it too...unless we bust 918, it is likely we are not on the abc yet...

    the market needs to turn on the fog lights :)
  • standard_and_poor
    Good work alpha.
  • Will not be around today
    RIMM long calls positions I acquired for 20% of rimm long puts profit will be automatically closed today at 10:34AM EDT.
    I don't feel right about going long into rimm ER (even with money I can easily afford to lose)
    Trade well kids

    MOLE - I think you might want to think about banning posters who just spam here and never answer single question from readers
    IF they lucky to have questions indeed...
  • *yawn* so early, wake me up when we get to 923 so I can add my shorts. :)
  • standard_and_poor
    Good Morning brother and sister ratz!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6NI4n8A2L8
  • dude you are always on!!! suite judy blue eyes, my favorite CSN (&Y) song!!!!
  • standard_and_poor
    Don't forget 4 & 20:


    Four and twenty years ago, I come into this life,
    the son of a woman and a man who lived in strife.
    He was tired of being poor and he wasn't into selling door to door
    and he worked like the devil to be more.

     




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  • Iguanadon
    Everyone sleeping in this morning? C'mon lazy heads...

    Without benefit of the actual news story, only a headline so far… continuing unemployment claims plunged the most since 2001… Ummmm, doesn’t that mean a whole lot of people simply fell off and now are even more screwed because they aren’t even getting unemployment any longer? Taking into account the fact that new claims bounced back up to 608,000 it sure doesn’t seem logical that those that fell off actually got jobs…

    Or am I just looney?
  • TroyMcClureRIP
    That's exactly what has happened to me. I was laid off in early August and have burned through all of NC's benefits. Every state has its own unemployment policy, so I can't speak to other states in terms of timing of layoffs versus timing of benefits expiration.

    I don't want to go off on an anti-government rant, but I will say that unemployment "insurance" is the only insurance program that I have ever heard of in which you can't get back ATLEAST the premiums you paid in once a triggering event occurs.
  • Iguanadon
    Where in NC? I'm in Raleigh.

    And I'm sorry to hear about your situation. I know I'm on edge worrying about becoming a statistic.
  • Bricks
    Cary NC here - represent!
  • Iguanadon
    I was a Caryite for 20 years before moving to Raleigh. Durham for 20 years before that.

    Small world.
  • TroyMcClureRIP
    The banking implosion capital of the world (on a % basis), Charlotte.
  • DoubleNaughtSpy
    You must throw logic out the door in order to comprehend the bulltart mentality.
  • does mentality exists without presence of brains?
  • Iguanadon
    I try and I try, but no matter how hard I try, I'm unable to lower my IQ to single digits in order to think as the market does.

    Damn logic and common sense... always gets me in trouble.

    By the way, your alias name is great. I laugh every time I think of ol' Jethro wanting to become a naught-naught spy after watching the James Bond movie.
  • standard_and_poor
    morning looney iguana!
  • Seeing some good setups on long and short side for ES:
    http://esecfutures.com/2009/06/18/june-18-intraday-market-analysis/
  • futures still very very weak... this better start going up or the hypothesis of a 3rd of a 3rd is big...
  • TexEx
    Great post, mole. How is your head?
  • HOw bout them HORNS!!!!!!!!
  • TexEx
    Yea! HOOK 'EM!
  • Lordted
    For any Glenn Neely fans out there:

    In a public-service statement released today, Glenn Neely announced this prediction: The S&P has formed a major top in June, which will be followed by a large decline, eventually pushing the stock market to record lows for the decade.



    In the press release, Glenn explains: "According to NEoWave, a correction began at last October's low; the March-June rally is the final leg of that correction. The March-June rally is now ending, allowing the bear market to resume. During the next six months, the S&P will decline 50% or more, breaking well below 500!"



    Click to read the full press release: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/06/prweb2537224.htm



    Patrice Rhoades-Baum

    NEoWave Marketing & Public Relations



    Transmission Time:

    Los Angeles:
    17-Jun-2009 12:26
    New York:
    17-Jun-2009 15:26
    London:
    17-Jun-2009 20:26

    Madrid:
    17-Jun-2009 21:26
    Mumbai:
    18-Jun-2009 00:56
    Sydney:
    18-Jun-2009 05:26

  • thelefteyeguy
    yeah someone posted this yesterday...Mole doesnt like the count...

    it really depends on the big picture...and where you place the counts start in 2000? 2007? or even earlier....

  • Callie
    Just got home from my (part-time) dayjob which is in healthcare. There's only one thing on everybody's mind and that's the flu pandemic, which makes me want to enter shorts even at this level. Being so biased I am not going to, but this could get ugly very quickly. Definitely not going to play any bounces.
  • Iguanadon
    Hi Callie,

    Yep, flu pandemic, North Korea, Iran and a whole host of other indirect factors that could trigger a major market downturn are out there. You're wise to not take any positions based on anything until it truly comes to a head. The market waits until the last possible moment to accept what's going on. Just like with the housing bubble. It was obvious to many very early that the whole mortage lending to anyone and everyone thing was going to blow up until it actually did, and even for a while after it did, the markets were slow to accept it.
  • Iguanadon
    I do like a press release before the next big crash. :-)

    Very bold. Almost as bold as Cramer announcing the bottom of housing. I couldn't believe it when I saw that headline on CNBC's website.

    I stopped turning on CNBC 4 weeks ago and I have to tell you it's been the best thing I've done in a long time. If you've kept it on just for kicks as I did, I suggest turning it off. I'm amazed how much it irritated me and I didn't really realize it. Sure I laughed and made snide comments and even got irked by the idiocy to the point that it stuck with me. Just turn it off. You'll be glad you did.
  • what took you so long? ("cnbc")
    as a matter of fact I disconnected CABLE 3 years ago
  • sure but Glenn is not Cramer... this statement i would take it very seriously...
  • Iguanadon
    I agree. I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I should have been clearer. I got on a rant and couldn't stop.
  • ausdude
    In the general context of today's news world (and their current sentiment), I do not think a really sharp decline will happen. Even on cnbc, there is at least 10-20% of the contributors who are bearish. I just think the entire world needs to turn bullish (except us of course ;-) before we go down significantly - to like a March low or worse.

    Just my $0.02
  • March lows 2-3 weeks away! :))
    http://forkoholic.com/images/nymo061709a.jpg
  • oooo...k
  • You are kidding me. Give me 1 day - I will pull up a chart that will prove that March lows are coming tomorrow.
  • Susannah
    I think he maybe means March lows of the NYMO and is being cute, but I'm not him, could be wrong. That's my take from the chart.
  • I think you might be right :-)

    If we are headed to March lows on NYMO in couple of weeks, then near term it is bad for bulls.. but few weeks out, they will be rampaging on the streets again.
  • Kirklandguy
    Spot on, Mole. Count me as one that didn't load up at the top - not going to chase this though.

    Speaking of OpEx week - there was a brief mention of this on Slope today without actually saying the book's title, but a book that I've found very very interesting and helpful is "Trading Options at Expiration" by Jeff Augen, as well as his prior book "The Volatility Edge in Options Trading". Some of the strategies in those books have been invaluable to me the past few months.

    Warning though: These are NOT beginning option books by any means. His books are VERY math-heavy and are not easy reads, they challenge you to think and think hard, as well as do a lot of research on your own. It's a bit deceptive because the books themselves are relatively small in size/pages.
    If anyone is interested in some different strategies for identifying and trading front-month options, the combo of those two books is quite excellent. Just be prepared to put in time to learn and research.

  • standard_and_poor
    Thanks for info. +1
  • I brought up the reference.. I read that book over the weekend and will be paper trading Jeff's suggestions on Friday to see how it works out.. He also talks about a trade that you enter Thursday and hold till Friday.. I dont have time for that... but I will do the Friday only trade.

    One thing to keep in mind is that the examples he uses in his book are of course hand picked and the ones that illustrate the point he is trying to make very well.. So, be well advised that the trades will in all probability NOT work out the way he has shown.

    Also, he has examples from last year when we had lot of volatility and hence trading on Thursday and Friday before Opex could make a lot of money. But this year, few of the Opex have been dead... and I mean dead.. which is how they had been and are supposed to be...
  • Kirklandguy
    Oh, totally, just like any book the examples given are for illustration purposes :-)

    Dead opex weeks can actually be very profitable as well. I was on a plane all day for last month's expiration day, but my friend was able to bank very nice coin on several pin plays and strike changes.
  • I am guessing that way to make money on pin plays on the opex day is to *sell options* - right?

    Also, strike changes are nice.. but how does one figure them out.. There is the max pain theory.. I guess if the market is moving in direction of the max pain.. then likely a stock will jump strikes..




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  • Kirklandguy
    Long note ahead:
    Yeah, sell options. One of the strategies we do is to leg into short iron condors as a stock gyrates around where we think it'll pin, the goal being to leg each side of the iron condor when it's ITM by a bit.
    For example, take GOOG. Done that one on a few expiration days. If it's hanging around 410 let's say a couple hours into the session, and we think it'll pin there, we'll look to enter a short 410/400 put vertical if/when GOOG goes to 407 or 408, and then leg into a short 410/420 call vertical when it goes to 412-414. The goal is to ideally pick up $4-6 (or more) credit overall and be prepared to get out in a hurry if it looks like it's going to run to the next strike up - eg. 420.

    You can also go for the more traditional iron condor of 400/390 put vert and 420/430 call vert, giving yourself between 400-420 for a pin, but the reward is much much less to the point that it's not really worth the risk capital. The interesting thing we've noted is that it doesn't pay to do this right away on Friday, gotta let the tape play out for a couple hours and see if it's going to settle into a pin gyration or not. Sometimes not worth trying at all.
    The one final rule me and my friend have for these is to be out of the position 15 minutes before close. Any later and MM's start widening spreads way out and you risk having trouble getting a decent fill to get out.

    A lot of it is tape-reading and research on how these things react as far as strike jumping goes, and where the open interest is.
  • Hey thanks a lot - very interesting strategy.... I did that on the put side paper trading once and liked it.. I still need to understand what if any are the indications that a stock is jumping strikes..
  • luckyretr
    With GOOG it might jump strikes if its sitting in the middle ie 514-516. The key to this strategy is you are taking $400-600 in credit to risk $400-600 on an event that your odds of success is waay greater than 50/50. In the year I've done this, GOOG has jumped strikes twice. Once was after earnings, GOOG opened 100 points higher then kept running 20 pts higher before sinking 20 pts to close where it opened. Next was the op ex before 666 bottom, the market rallied 20 pts in the final 2 hrs to close and it pulled GOOG with it.
  • Callie
    Really nice post Mole, wise words.
  • Merlynn
    Great post Mole, once again I will say thank you for being here, I had a great morning until about 10:45am, should have covered and got greedy. Ended up losing money in the end. I am heartened by your "Wishing" statment. Don't trade just to trade.
  • terrapinTRD
    Mole,
    May I ask why you trade options vs. spot positions? What method do you apply to hedge against theta burn?
    Thanks!
  • UPB
    Great Post Mole. Grabbed some Rimm 85's calls toward EOD for earnings tom. Looking to grab a few puts tomorrow on a pop. I have a feeling i awake to some nice red before the open.
  • You might have better risk/reward with buying 85/90 spreads as opposed to just 85's....

    85/90 spreads were 89 cents near close ... so you break even at 86 bucks and if it hits 90, you do 5.6x
    85's were 1.5 near close.. -> break even is 86.5 and to do 5.6x, RIMM has to hit 93.4

    Essentially 85 calls give better return than 85/90 spreads only if RIMM exceeds $93.4, which is 16 bucks away from where RIMM is right now.
  • rhae
    Mole.. unbelieveable, you post almost exactly when I do... I almost always get the last post on a page, lol this time to the second I think.
    My stuff seems to agree with yours.

    I have a difficult time understanding anything complicated. So this one is about as simple as it gets... Someone mentioned the 200 sma recently and I did not pay attention, slap! slap!
    SPX daily super simple..
    http://screencast.com/t/IpIGz4YQ
  • Frankly, IMNSHO they are overrated - when they fail nobody complaints - when they work everyone thinks they're the holy grail. Hindsight is 20/20...
  • MAs? have not used those for 10 years :)
  • That's awesome to know, I never learned them. So I can leave that off my indicator list. :)

    I like to use visual pattern recognition, trendlines, gaps, EW of course--when I can recognize it--with many thanks to Mole, Fib, and MACD. I hear that using too many indicators like MACD and RSI together as simple as that sounds, does not improve results, and I want to believe that.

  • overcrowding of indicators lead to confission - they all will be telling you different stories.  Just "FEW GOOD MEN" (pick your tools and KNOW them)
  • rhae
    ok, I do not trade them, I only trade set ups... but I thought it interesting today where it bounced while the stochastic continued to fall.
  • Keirsten
    I watch them for support and resistance all the time Rhae. I have watched too many specialists and MMs paint tapes to the MAs to completely ignore them. Different strokes though. ;-)
  • dullmind
    Eight hours ago Keirsten mentioned how she had been using $NYSI for trading. I took me over an hour,
    but I have produced my own version that does show the $SPX in the background.

    Keirsten's $NYSI overlayed $SPX, showing volume and RSI, much like her original chart.
    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&b=3&g=0&id=p03231586397&a=171079940

    Keirsten's $NYSI with $SPX in the background, I made the $SPX index the main chart ?? so
    I could add the RSI and volume to the mix to see how things lined up.
    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$NYSI&p=D&b=4&g=0&id=p74167831324&a=171076705

    If you have a StockCharts.com account, use the annotate button and then 'upload' to your
    own folder to make a copy of these charts with all annotations.

    There is a reason I keep my avatar name, I know several (including Mole) have commented
    on Keirsten's original post, maybe these will be useful to someone anyway.
  • Nice chart work, thanks to Dullmind and Keirsten
  • Keirsten
    Thanks for that work Dull. I can't find the original graphic I made with points collected- and just didn't have time to do the whole thing again tonight. Much appreciated. ;-)
  • Kirklandguy
    I've found, at least on certain futures especially, that inevitably the combo of common MA's and daily or weekly VWAP converging togther make those spots an attractive target for tape painting.
    Not sure if I'm suffering from a form of bias where I just focus on the times it happens and not on the rest, and I don't take a trade simply on that, but it's another weapon in the arsenal.
  • Keirsten
    Hey Kirk! :-) We all search for the Holy Grail, not sure it's out there before the jig is up and too many people are using it or what, but lately I've been reverting to using some of the old school/forgotten stuff with good results. It's that crowded boat scenario- too many people on one side and it's going to capsize on them. A lot of individual issues seem to react to Fibs or whatever other hallmarks out there- guess it depends on the jokester specialists and their personal favorite games. The end result is all that matters on the bottom line.
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