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Woodchipper Tuesday Rub Down

by The MoleDecember 1, 2009

I think the Zero chart says it all:

Looking at these price swings in combination with extreme gyrations in sentiment and participation I would be a complete idiot to attempt anything but scalp trades as they present themselves. Otherwise good luck guessing the surprise spike du jour ahead of time (although we seem to trace out the famed shoebox pattern).

Program Trading Update:

geronimo/ES: +2.5 (two winners one loser)

That’s all I got for today – no opinions really regarding the short term direction of this market beyond my musings on the prior thread. Yes, we are topping but it’s a process, not a one week affair. The bulls will stretch out the inevitable as long as they can and market makers obviously love the slow theta burn.

Burn baby burn!


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The Mole

Mole created Evil Speculator amidst the chaos of the financial crisis in early August of 2008. His vision for Evil Speculator is a refuge of reason, hands-on trading knowledge, and inspiration for traders of all ages and stripes. You can follow him and his nefarious schemes at various social media waterholes below.

  • bergs

    In agreement with you Mole on the complex fourth wave.

    Would appear to be working a subminuette wave three that should complete tomorrow AM.

    http://screencast.com/t/NGIyMmUz

    How do you count a printing press?

  • Scoops

    From what I understand, market makers are essentially delta neutral and make most of their money on spreads. Atleast according to a couple of books on options that I have read. May not be the case for all I suppose?

  • PRSGuitars

    Thanks for the count bergs. That count feels right, as it would accomplish the throwover/break to new highs followed by frustration and sideways only to preface a masterfully planned cataclysm toward 1040 first stop.

    Then again, I feel like we're just waiting for the count to line up in retrospect to feel better — nothing against EW, just that this rally has made us all look rather silly at times — and it's hard as a developing trader to follow the EW projections realtime (not that you don't do a wonderful job updating us; as you do!). I guess it's just the emotional hangover of watching EW counts get crushed a few times and re-evaluated — although I'd rather re-evaluate than stick to a broken count…

    Best of luck (and I am with you on this one, non-EW, but intuitively — lots of support for a pop tomorrow AM to finish three).

  • Scoops

    This topping process is really testing my patience. Which when I look back, is a good sign as it usually meant that a big spike upward in my equity curve was approaching. I'm staying away from this tape, my positions are now set, stops in and that's it.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    very carefully?

  • gregn

    Health Makers like Obama are 'debt neutral'.

  • clutchshorter

    Guys/Gals, I don't care. I'm following the direction that GS is going. Surely, if they cared about their stock price, they would have manipulated this back up. But since they have pocketed billions of dollars in profits, I think they are allowing market forces to play out.

    GS stock is a technical indicator. Plot GS stock against SPY, you see divergence!!!!! F*CK this, it is crashing this week.

  • bist

    I'm calling this close a victory for bears. A lot of stocks that were up early in the day finished up modestly like cga.

    I think tomorrow's bad unemployment number will give us a good excuse to drop… but all I'm looking for is a drop to spy 110 or so.

  • gregn

    I plotted that as a joke and posted a divergence several weeks ago… played out.

  • bist

    Merill Lynch, the largest holder of subprime loans, served as a similar indicator back in 2008. MER started tanking while the market was rallying off the 2008 march low.

  • gregn

    How about SPX 110 🙂

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    this market is flirting with danger since september

  • http://retracementlevels.zstock7.com/ zstock

    Is Friday's employment report going to be an UP 200 day? This is a tough market.

  • http://retracementlevels.zstock7.com/ zstock

    I have all of these gold stock shorts I opened today, and I'm beginning to think they are NOT going to work. CNBC, idiots saying, GLD $1800–what's going on?
    http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?r

  • clutchshorter

    Gold to $1800 would mean DXY to $50? Scary thought.

  • PRSGuitars

    AAPL Channel bottom + 50 daily SMA, but… what happens if we break?

    http://screencast.com/t/MmNmZWIwM

  • fast996

    The SPX has been up here 6 times and today failed. I haven't looked at all the high flyers but AMZN looks to have a reversel of some kind. We have so many possible Broadening tops and EDT's that I really doubt we go up to 1121.

    We now have a Broadening top possible in the Dow. To validate this top the Dow needs to break below the previous low of last Friday and then have a failed rally retracement of usually 66 pct.

    This is about the rarest pattern there is for a major average. It signifies complete idiocy and uninformed buying. Sounds like 2000 and 2007 all over again. You can call me a perma bear, but this market I think is more crazy than the October '07 top. I look for a large break down, a failed rally to retest and then a crash wave that should be spectacular in it's force to the downside.

    That's just my opinion worth 2 cents.

    fast

  • The Unknown Trader

    The $SPX closed up over 13 points and GS, MS, C, WFC, and JPM were all down. BAC was up only 04.

  • clutchshorter

    I figured it out!!! When GDP #s were released in late October, it came out to be ~3.6%. The goverment probably thought that this milestone achievement was a sign that the markets have stabilized and the US was on it's way to recovery. So they decided to just let market forces play their role. Then they saw the markets selling off hard and fast. DOW dropped from 10200 to 9600. SPX dropped from 1100 to 1020. The goverment thought to themselves, “Oh crap, we're not there yet. Let's keep propping this market up until it has legs again”. And the rest is history. Dow and SPY rallied to new highs…..

  • tfinavia

    Tough because you have SPY 106.63 in mind.

  • tfinavia

    Please share about this: I look for a large break down, a failed rally to retest and then a crash wave that should be spectacular in it's force to the downside.

    Large breakdown to where? Failed rally to retest 1110?

  • http://bullorbearwhocares.blogspot.com/ jamesmarkii

    that means they will never let go

  • http://retracementlevels.zstock7.com/ zstock

    The highest GLD has been above it's 200 day –only, 2X before, is approx 25%–at GLD = 118.75 that = 25% above it's 200 day..
    you then get a 10% pullback and another leg up 20% above the weekly 13 day MA, 105 = 20% = 129.1
    I'm going to go with Gold tops out at ++$1300, sometime in JAN.

  • http://bullorbearwhocares.blogspot.com/ jamesmarkii

    usd weekly and monthly chart look like shit
    says dxy going to 72

  • Scoops

    Sounds juicy!

  • Gerbil_gold

    Juicy Bull steaks – Mmmm, even a gerbil can appreciate that!

  • Tronacate

    I might change my nick to Gere'd_Gerbil………

  • fast996

    I look for a break below 1060 and then a failed rally back to the 1090-1095 area. After that it should collapse in a 3rd wave down below 920. This should happen quickly. Very similar to the decline in 1987 and the transportation average in 1990?

    If this pattern does validate. By the look of the down waves so far should be fast with just one day wonders on the way down.

  • vision_invisible

    I shorted today when I saw AAPL down, GS weak and airlines (ALK), REITS and such stuff strong or near 52 week highs on weak volume.

  • Tronacate

    I shorted a couple NQ contracts at 1795…….I'm holding on overnight

  • Tronacate

    Now that the ETF bullshit is enacted……tomorrow should return to normalcy……the down day will come as a total surprise……

  • http://bullorbearwhocares.blogspot.com/ jamesmarkii

    blargh @ today

  • Gerbil_gold
  • de3600

    I just got back from an outlet center in Riverhead Ny for the past 10 years you cant get near this place after Thanksgiving. It was like driving thru a Ghost town tonight .There were cars in there dont get me wrong but you could shoot thru the parking lot at 60 mph if you want and not hit a thing. Very Scary shit out there.

  • tfinavia

    Thanks bud. I appreciate that insight.

  • Tronacate

    There is no recovery……..people will try to keep buying just like any addiction…….but the patient is dead. The gov keeps trying the paddles…….but just need to cremate this system and move on…….the corruption has rotted America's soul.

  • de3600

    I agree with you

  • yudhisthira

    I wonder if the completed 5 waves up from the triangle will be all there is or just 1 of 5. Hate to wait for more.

  • amokta

    driving at 60mph could constitute a 'moving violation' aka tiger woods!

    redangelo.com “As I said yesterday, I’m still short. This was nothing more then a “Bear Squeeze”, designed to scare everyone out. I’m not scared! Every major technical is still pointing down. I’m sticking this one out, as I’m looking for a move down to 104.00 SPY before OPX. I expect to see it start this week. It could only be a few days, but a week is probably needed to get down to 104.00 spy.”

  • Tronacate

    What happened to Berk and fa_q?

  • jreality

    A medium-term trading strategy that is profitable, and without any fancy indicators whatsoever:

    1) If most of the people on bearish blogs tend to complain about being trapped in short positions, then simply buy every dip regardless of how bad things look, without any stop loss whatsoever.

    2) Simply sit back and wait until the market bounces and you'll eventually have a nice profit on your longs.

    3) Rinse and repeat the above until after the bears have finally given up on trading altogether.

    4) Once all the bears have given up on trading for good, then start shorting every rally no matter how great things. After the first trade, only take new positions if bulls in bullish blogs are starting to feel pain on their longs.

    5) When in a short trade, simply sit back and wait and, eventually you'll get the chance to cover your shorts at a nice profit.

    6) Rinse and repeat the above 3 steps until the bulls have all blown up their trading accounts from trying to catch a falling knife, and have given up on trading

    7) go back to step 1 and repeat everything I just told you until infinity. It's really that simple. (grin)

  • bergs

    would like to to think the five up would do it.

  • bergs

    Also curious. I have been pretty much absent minus an occasional post (entertaining relatives) for the past ten days.

    anyone?

  • clutchshorter

    I'm the dude at the Polo Outlet. I think I saw you today. =)

  • amokta

    also the esteemed HOB site also has a bearish post on it

  • http://rosabarba.livejournal.com Rosabarba

    Can't speak to Berk, but fa_q had a “Good-bye, and Thanks for All the Fish” post a few days back (it's on Disqus: http://disqus.com/fa_q/ ).

    It's a shame. I always enjoyed his posts and learned from his methodology.

  • PRSGuitars

    I've been AWOL as of late, too.

    Had Berk on gchat from 430-630 am EST one night late last week, was one of the best conversations I've had in some time (picking his brain). Very fortunate to catch him before he left for a brief hiatus (a few days of other business, I think).

    Fa_q had a bitter disagreement with bobthehorse and a few others, I think, a few weeks back. He's finished posting from what I can tell. (disqus.com/fa_q) (edit just saw Rosa mention this, thnx Rosa)

  • Tronacate

    Well shit…….I liked fa_q…….much better than trader(I dined with John Bolton)
    Steve……wtf…….anyway to get a hold of him?…….berk too?

  • fast996

    I took a look at the AMZN and AAPL charts interesting as both have hit their targets where wave A equals W C up. AMZN target is 136-139 and AAPL was 200, Bingo, both look to being doing 1,2's off todays high.

    Many of the high flyers have had spectacular rises which look to be a supercycle W5 top or a primary B top. Most resemble commodity charts rather than equities.

    Can they go higher sure, but through this whole process of the SPX trying to vault major resistance these stocks have moved higher in a blowoff fashion.

    Cheers
    fast

  • http://www.portfoliotilt.com PortfolioTilt

    The harsh reality is that even after all of this noise we continue to trade in a 25 point range on the S&P 500, still waiting for a clear breakout… http://bit.ly/5oBd0y

  • http://www.anomalousmaterial.com CastorTroy

    Back to the highs and upper part of the range. We have been trading range bound for 3 weeks and sold off SPY 111.75. Have to play it until it's broken
    http://tinyurl.com/yey67q5

  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT
  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT

    not bad on the day like today for Geronimo – 2.5points profit!

    I had 2 trades – barely squeezed 3.5 /es points

  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT

    “Steve” as “trader Steve”?
    I'll shoot him an email

  • http://bullorbearwhocares.blogspot.com/ jamesmarkii

    every 1.50 drop in the usd, gold moves up 100.00

    74.41 close on the usd
    my target is 72.00 in 6 weeks

    gold target 1350.00

  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT

    PRS – would you please share fa_q's email? Or forward him my email.
    (you can find my email here http://trading-to-win.com/ContactUs.aspx)
    thanks a lot

  • gregn

    Based on what?

  • MariAroma

    “Market Guru” Mike Swanson explains in 7-minute video today why Gold has NOT yet topped and dollar has NOT yet bottomed.
    http://www.wallstreetwindow.com/content/node/12816

    And, IIRC, his target is about your stated level, within a couple of months.

  • http://bullorbearwhocares.blogspot.com/ jamesmarkii

    my charting analysis

  • http://evilspeculator.com molecool

    It's a scalping strategy, David – you don't catch 10 point moves on a day like this. Especially if the bulk of the move occurs in the first 5 minutes of the trading session.

    It's important you guys understand what Geronimo was designed to do. If you can only afford to trade only one contract because your principal is too small then your gains will be limited of course. Nature of the beast and this has nothing to do with geronimo. Hope this makes sense.

  • http://evilspeculator.com molecool

    Completely agree actually (maybe you're surprised). The only problem is that the majority of the bears (90% of them) gave up weeks/months ago. Sentiment also seems to swing very quickly – it's a very strange market.

  • http://evilspeculator.com molecool

    I also thought about him today. He simply disappeared again. Last time I heard of him was early last week when he told me that he wouldn't be back until Saturday. Hoped to have heard from him by now but he's MIA.

    Maybe he's given up – it's a possibility. I don't want to bug him because if he's not here he probably has his reasons.

  • http://evilspeculator.com molecool

    Why did he leave again? Someone pissed him off?

  • gregn

    Looks like a triple top in /ES. Shorted some at 1108.25

  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT

    this market puts enormous tall on a lot of traders – bears and bulls alike

  • PRSGuitars

    Will do, David — writing him now.

  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT

    I was not sarcastic – I meant what I said – 2.5 points on a day like today is a good profit when entire intraday move was confined to 3.5 points range after first 10 min

  • http://rosabarba.livejournal.com Rosabarba

    That seems to be the case. His final post included a lot of venom for one poster in particular, though he also made a point of giving praise to you and the blog. As I said, a shame.

  • http://centrifugaldeforest.blogspot.com/ Centrifugal_Deforest

    Gold above 1216 a moment ago

  • http://centrifugaldeforest.blogspot.com/ Centrifugal_Deforest

    Not a big fan of the triple top here and not so pleased we recovered this much. Likely to see new highs now, methinks…but the divergences out there suggest it will fail all the same

  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT

    1216 was projected high for /yg
    1187 is low

  • http://centrifugaldeforest.blogspot.com/ Centrifugal_Deforest

    Someone ringing the bell then.
    Good, cuz my bell feels rung

  • http://centrifugaldeforest.blogspot.com/ Centrifugal_Deforest

    Somebody commented on my site just now that I am in front of the trade (which I generally preach against).

    Funny, I still see the bear side here, but it doesn't much matter.
    I can't ask questions like how long can this market go on like this – instead I have to ask how long I can go on?

  • jacksoo

    what's your url CD?

  • Gerbil_gold

    I ran all over the NET to find a bearish Elliot wave count, and found one!
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OpWmYZm7O8I/SxVr5akmC
    call it soylent pink, call it soylent puke (i don't care), someone tell me it's whacked.

  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT

    man…just click on nick…that was easy, huh?

  • gregn

    long as there is positive divergence on my account statements, I don't care where we go. I am jst going to do short scalps for now on shorting /es and buying bear spreads.. I am tired of getting theta and vega burned while on the right side of my trades (trading sttaight options). I really have no fun going long anything, so I am just going to short every bounce and cover for modest gains.

  • jacksoo

    ;-0

  • Tronacate

    Mole….is the free Geronimo week now?……if so I'm not getting any e-mails……I'm going to keep my computer in the room during work so I can place the trades…….I think it will work great with 4 contracts for me.

  • Tronacate

    PRS…..tell fa_q to get his sorry ass back here……we'll try to line him up with a pound of blow and some high dollar hookers if that's what it takes…….that guy cracked me up.

  • Tronacate

    Shoot fa_q an e-mail to come back……..imho “trader Steve”= a Rush Limbaugh wanna be……

  • Trader_Steve

    I was asked where I have been. Well, “Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated!” (thanks Mr. Twain).

    I run a deployed Marine support program that I start each Veteran's Day and a critical individual not only misled me about local publicity, but also tried to tell me a name we came up with while brainstorming was his and we couldn't use it as he planned on trademarking it under his foundation. While not a former Marine, I am pleased to drink with them. They have a saying, “No better friend, no worse enemy”. Gee….I have lived my life like that since HS. So I guess I should have joined the Marines, which I almost did as a Navy Corpsman. I did get to see Parris Island two weekends ago and have been up to my ass in alligators trying to reach any and all radio hosts in Charlotte as the support promised by a station came from the station manager, who left six weeks ago. So I have been ticked off at the lack of support we will supply this year, professionally burying someone who betrayed me and my detachment, writing letters to past donors explaining that we could use their support again, and trying to put together pictures and letters for a portfolio that will make someone who opens it and reads it, help us.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/MarineCorpsLeague12

    Here is our detachment page. If you wanted to send something to the troops and didn't know how, well, this link will solve that dilemma.

    http://www.mcl1242.org/ OR http://www.Hoorah4Heroes.org

    And here is what beautiful Afghanistan looked like three years ago:

    http://picasaweb.google.com/MarineCorpsLeague12

    The mountains are those that Marines (grunts) would go up into for 15-18 days at a time to track the Taliban that would sneak down into villages and destroy them. If it was sunny, it reached 40 degrees up there during sunlight and they slept in sleeping bags. Of the many items, we sent them all $40 thermal undershirts that they were most appreciative for. The first photos there is what a Marine without a shower and eating MRE looks like after 15 days. He is from Queens, NYC, watched the towers fall, and enlisted in the Marines the next week as “payback for my friends who were killed”. A brave young man indeed!

    Steve

  • Trader_Steve

    My…what perfect timing! It's a gift…..you ingrate….LOL

    Steve

  • Tronacate

    Oh fuck…..rush returns……and unfortunately it's not the band.

  • Trader_Steve

    I'll let you make an ass of yourself. You plainly don't need any help.

    Steve

  • Tronacate

    I think National Guard duty would have been your calling……then you could have helped blow away a few Kent State radicals……..

  • PRSGuitars

    More EW Silliness: http://screencast.com/t/NzA0MjIyO

    NeverEnding Diagonal Edition

  • Tronacate

    So Stevey boy…….did you pop a big woody hearing that O'Bamambo is loading the troops into Afghanistan?? Maybe you could brush up on flying toy helicopters in your living room and then move up to a predator so you could blow away some brownies……wouldn't that be cool???

  • PRSGuitars

    This ends here. NOW.

    Cut it out, Trona, I know it's the internet — but this isn't the forum for that kind of stuff.

  • Trader_Steve

    See…I told you that you could do fine by yourself.

    Kent State…just another topic you know nothing about:
    http://dept.kent.edu/sociology/lewis/lewihen.htm

    Steve

  • Tronacate

    Hey……he started it with his rah rah bs.

  • Trader_Steve

    Not to worry, Zach. I've turned over a new leaf. I no longer argue with fools.

    Steve

  • Tronacate

    Should we post pictures of our anti-war rallies?? Think not…..why does he get away with his pro-war stance??

  • PRSGuitars

    Sure, but no reason to antagonize. Certainly wasn't directed at you.

    I like you, Trona, just play nice. Have a good night to you both!

  • Tronacate

    Righto……..peace to all…….like you too……and that guitar

  • PRSGuitars

    Thanks Steve. Glad to hear the updates and happy to have your commentary,
    market-related or otherwise.

    Welcome back. Your point re: thermal undershirts cannot be understated —
    these men are brave enough to fight for us but our government can barely
    clothe them. Deplorable.

    Best to you in the mkt and otherwise!

  • Trader_Steve

    I have to reply to this propaganda.

    Probably 20% of the people who have helped the troops oppose them being deployed. But they are smart enough to realize that they did not volunteer to be in a war. They volunteered to serve their country. Nothing in my post was pro-war. It was pro troop support.

    Whether “Tronacate” wants to realize it or not, far more American support the troops – the ones that he despises and insults with comments like “Kent State.”

    Steve

  • Trader_Steve

    Thanks Zach…it is a labor of love and an honor to send them any support that we can. We are the last chance this planet has for freedom as the history of the world speaks of tyranny and brutality.

    Steve

  • Tronacate

    I despise their lack of fortitude to say no to authority when authority is wrong……..you call it discipline…….I call it stupid.
    That's why you would have made a high quality Nazi if born in the wrong country at the wrong time……rabid nationalism is a powerful tool.

    And if your link regarding Kent State is supposed to justify the shooting of the unarmed………it doesn't support your case very well.

  • Bankrupt

    Please…

  • Tronacate

    I'm done……..sorry bankrupt……

  • Trader_Steve

    Zach,

    I just want to point out that despite being called a Nazi, which I highly doubt Mr T knows anything about, I am not replying in kind. I think he should receive a warning and if required, a “time out”.

    Calling someone a Nazi is no normal insult. The Nazis stripped the humanity from those they put in death camps, which included many Christians. They propagandized the minds of children to consider anyone outside their race to be inferior and to consider their life worthless, so the taking of it meant nothing. It is a far cry from “nationalism”.

    I take the insult from whence it came, so it means nothing to me and will not be replied to or even recognized.

    Steve

  • http://iberianviews.blogspot.com/ catracho
  • Tronacate

    You obviously didn't read the sentence. However, your call for a “time out”
    betrays your legalistic worldview.

  • Trader_Steve

    “Please”…

    You'll have to elaborate. Please what?

    Steve

  • PRSGuitars

    Let's try this: if you guys want to have this argument via email, here's the deal. I will link you guys up by sending an email to both of you and you can continue this until it's resolved.

    In the meantime, here's why this stuff has got to stop:

    * This isn't trading related
    * This stuff is ad hominem to the max
    * Nazis were discussed, further proving Godwin correct (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law).

    Less humorously, though, many of us here, most likely our kind host, who is German, and myself, a Jew, are not ok with this sort of stuff in any serious tone. I don't mean to speak for anyone, but I think we're all not ok with this stuff. If anyone is, please speak up…?

    * It's gone on for weeks
    * It is only between two people on the board
    * etc etc.

    Therefore it will be tolerated until tomorrow at 9 am at which point, if you both so agree, I will send out the dual email and THIS PUBLIC DISAGREEMENT MUST END. No more public fighting, it's got to go private now if it will continue. I think that's fair (and hope you two will agree).

    Trona, please refrain from any non-trading replies to Steve.
    Steve, please refrain from antagonizing Trona directly nor replying to his non-trading posts.

    Good night to all and to all a good night!

  • bobthehorse

    Maybe this isn't the forum for a pro-troops advert but it hardly justifies your behaviour. If you don't like it, just ignore it.

  • bobthehorse

    Second that. Number of hissy fits on this board is crazy.

  • Tronacate

    I just get tired of TS's constant political commentary that the US is the only hope for mankind….etc etc…….he constantly slams Obama and is a basic right-wing troll……I'm sure his arm is quite sore from patting himself on the back.
    If you want to tell me to fuck off……well so be it……
    Personally, I was wanting fa_q back……..I'd much rather talk about blow and hookers.

  • bobthehorse

    Well I am not the man to ask to get fa_q back! LOL. Never did work out what I did to spark all that. But seriously – arguments are boring for everyone else. Not to mention pointless given you are having them behind an avatar.

  • Tronacate

    Speaking of blow and hookers…….I found this amusing:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news?slug=ap-r

  • Trader_Steve

    I'll invite you to meet me so you can call me a Nazi to my face if that's what it will take to end this.

    BTW, I don't think I have posted here in almost two weeks.

    Steve

  • minus273

    Seriously, this is not the place for this kind of discussion anyway, but lets just say that not everyone believes America is the honorable pillar of freedom they claim to be. They are an imperialist nation, occupying foreign lands (even America itself since they pretty much wiped out the native indians), themselves perpetrators of far more Lies, tyranny, deaths and brutality than any other nation in our most recent history. Like all other nations they are not all good or all bad, and I find your comment short sighted and provocative.
    Read some Chomsky.

  • Trader_Steve

    Read Chomsky?

    Were's done.

    Sorry you hate America, even with all its flaws. It kinda did give 407,000 lives to stop perpetual tyranny in the 1940s from overtaking the world. You might want to remember that.

    Steve

  • Tronacate

    ^^^^^^There you have it. And I was feeling like the Last of the Mohicans

  • telacimr

    “occupying foreign lands”? Are you serious? Land doesn't belong to any group of people intrinsically. It only belongs to those who can control and defend it militarily. The native americans could barely walk and chew gum at the same time let alone control and defend America militarily. As a result it didn't belong to them. Might makes reality whether you can wrap your head around that or not.

  • Tronacate

    minus……..don't even get started with him…….anybody who says “I dined with John Bolton” has one BIG fucking ego and likes douchebags…….don't even try to talk sense…….

  • Trader_Steve

    My pretty 6' 2 1/2″ 210 lbs are right there for all to see and I can be very easily found.

    And thank you for noting the poor behavior of others.
    Steve

  • Tronacate

    Sure it's not 6' 2.27″ 211.6 lbs mr. anal?……..lol

    Ever hear of lucid dreams? Perhaps you should try a dream where you are a young Iraqi…….whose family was just killed by collateral damage from some pilotless drone missle launch. Maybe his anger equals that of the Americans who lost family in 9/11. Practice it and you can place yourself in other people's shoes.

    Sometimes the best response is NO response…….and that is my LAST response.

  • Trader_Steve

    >>and that is my LAST response<<

    Oh were it only true.

    Bless your heart,
    Steve

  • http://evilspeculator.com molecool

    Write me please and we sort it out.

  • http://evilspeculator.com molecool

    Yeah – I read that wrong – sorry.

  • minus273

    There was no mention of hate in my comment, quite the contrary. I lived in America for years and half of my family still lives there. What I do find distasteful are ignorance, people who only see one side of things, and overly nationalistic beliefs.

  • Tronacate

    Thanks mole……..I'll e-mail in the morning from my other computer.

  • http://evilspeculator.com molecool

    Real shame.

  • Tronacate

    Mole…….any effort getting fa_q back would be appreciated…….and the Gann dude too……

  • tradejane

    This is interesting market action for sure.

    /YM made a new high for the second time in a couple of weeks but /ES and /NQ did not. Gold price is exploding but oil price remains within range – and all the Asian markets look tired. Signals say “short” yet the money in the US-market session was made yesterday by fading them – with a bank and a junior miner no less!

    In other words, a classic topping process. Imo.

    The DAX was poised to open above today's pivot of 5735 and it did. First resistance seen at 5817, first support is 5694. I still have my index short from 5718 area and – per trading plan – I added a bank short when it ran up to 5800.

  • http://evilspeculator.com molecool

    Remember you and fa_q? Nerves are running thin lately…

  • Tronacate

    Thanks for the summary

  • http://evilspeculator.com molecool

    What can I do?? Wasn't my fault – I think that's his perogative.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    can we have 2001?

  • Tronacate

    Oh I know that……thought you might have an e-mail and say ol' Tron misses his hooker and market insight……benice to have him back

  • PRSGuitars

    I emailed him at length two weeks back with a good deal of reasoning that he ought to come back. He appreciated the gesture (as he said in his last post) but wasn't phased/fazed (whatever the expression is) and remains sidelined and not posting.

    I figure he will check in from time to time. He may also snoop around other boards, but I imagine if he's swinging as large of a lot size as he was, he's got plenty else to do in the meantime instead of post on the blogosphere (no disrespect to those of us here in the “real 'net world”, har har).

  • Tronacate

    Guess we need to be nicer to each other and avoid running people off…….need the various points of view.

  • Tronacate

    Ya…..he did pull the trigger on big trades……

  • Tronacate

    Ok………big group bear hug…….then we sing Kumbaya.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    no, fa_q just made a post with 3 major ideas:

    1. I made a lot of coin
    2. f”#k bob, ban bob
    3. unless i get 2, then f$#k U all

    so, maybe yes, I told him my ban on demand was not available when the discussion had been basicaly clean and both partiesfollowed the rule of sharing what they do and explaining why

  • jacksoo

    funniest think i've read in a while…..

  • tradejane

    You're welcome. I can't offer much to the group in a way of TA, so I try to give my observations instead.

    As expected the German banks could not follow through on their rally attempt and are massively underperforming this morning. Comedy bank now dumping like there's no tomorrow. I expect /ES to follow soon. First support is seen at the 1080 area and second support at the 1067 area. If we don't bounce from there – 1040. 🙂

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHiFWZjHFb8

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    I don't know, I eyeballed the channel a couple of weeks ago and been saying 1300-1400, but if it doesn't fall soon it will take it to next stage and 1500 it is.

    this is a very flip coin moment, a better channel would stop gold right here.

    this is the price of berna's “let's pump equities at all cost and screw the dollar”

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    I see … but careful

  • minus273

    How do I unlike a comment? I clicked the wrong button. I agree land doesnt belong to any group of people intrinsically. As for the rest of your comment, I would have to write an essay in reply, but it seems you are lacking a moral compass somewhat.

  • bobthehorse

    Thin nerves, thin skin

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    ok, so I'll have to ask dave to do the re-invites, I HAVE ASKED when you spent some time away

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    Tron, 3rd personal insult, can't an hamster get some sleep?

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    Thanks PRS, my thought exactly

  • Tronacate

    What???….I haven't said anything insulting here in awhile…..

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    tell me about it… btw, what's your call for today (market wise)

  • http://oahutrading.blogspot.com/ steveo77

    Agreed

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    tron, bob just stated the obvious, he didn't tell you to fuck off, just to tone down (in a reasonable and polite way)

    can't you ALL understand that you are ALL wellcome as each market/world view can help others see something they might have missed?

    p.s. if you want fa_q, so do I (and I bet even bob does), but he chose to place his return on a bob ban, I won't do it, nor do I think mole will (but this is his blog, so my opinion doesn't matter). Get him here on no terms and I promisse anyone taunting him on letting demads fall will be slapped.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    no you didn't you ungrateful trader 😉

    I even “hunted” you down at kenny's to ask you back

    good to see you back

  • Trader_Steve

    While you might not have mentioned “hate” you sure as heck slammed America as a nation. You mentioned “imperialism”, yet all we have asked for is ground to bury our dead.

    Do you know of a better country than America THAT is willing to defend the freedom of itself and its allies?

    You say you detest “the ignorance”….what nation is not as ignorant as some Americans AND has better policies for stopping this stated intent to kill both Israel, the United States, and all infidels, which is a good deal of the war we are in.

    As to “nationalism”..one can have to much devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation? American has been overrun with illegal aliens that Bush wanted to make legal to help the GDP grow and keep inflation down, and Obama wants them to be legal for their votes. It would seem that we need more people with true nationalism.

    Out off curiosity have you read any of the following books:

    “The Looming Tower: Al Queda and the Road to 9/11” (Pulitzer winner)
    “The Nuclear Jihadist”, which shows the proliferation of nuclear technology in the Middle East by A. Q. Khan
    “The Persian Night”, about Khomeini telling Iranians that Iran no longer existed as their goal should be the defeat of the infidel
    “The Forever War”, by a NY Times reporter who states that Afghanistan will always be at war and a threat to peace in the region.

    Anyone who has not read at least one of those really has no basis for an opinion of what threat America is facing.

    I did not see any reference of the 407,000 American lives lost saving the world from communism/fascism in the 1940s. If you we were a better nation then, why?

    Steve

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    I'm not american
    I already stated many a occasion where you can criticize the usa

    but I already stated that though often selfserving the usa have also given a lot and sometimes in a generous way

    chomsky points to certain issues (and I did read chomsky) but seldom points to what the other side was playing

    easy to make a monster that way (or demand defeat by galantry)

    p.s. tron, had pulled back, did you have to rekindle the fire?

  • Tronacate

    Minus 273 …….don't waste your time…….I know exactly what you are thinking and agree 100%……..maybe Darwinianism will play out and rid the world of the dimwits who enjoy waging war on each other.

  • Trader_Steve

    I must have missed that…I have been a tad busy while watching this crap. And I'm recalling the last two weeks of last year which were dead.

    And speaking of missing things, my bed missed me now. So good night…I have spread enough wisdom and cheer for one AH session (g)

    Steve

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    talking about forgiving, how about jack? My little finger says Dave_DT has some never rusty rats in his blog that he might share 😉 (wink wink)

    I think some of the tension should be eased

  • Tronacate

    Fine with me now that the …….. has gone to bed……..jeezus…..next he'll be recommending the “Left Behind” series.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    wasn't supposed to be funny, and it wasn't, just hope he hangs around and read it so he can understand why it doesn't work that way.

    If it wasn't clear enough, FA_Q, GANN (and anyone else who felt hurt) Ge back here and you can all take a free swing at the SSH if you have any grievances … and then stay for the market

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    tron, the thought of you singing kumbaya sends shivers (not in a good way) down my spine

    LOL

  • minus273

    I understand and respect that you love your contry, just dont do it blindly. Peace.

  • Tronacate

    You and me….all snuggled by the campfire……..roasting marshmallows…….
    singing Kumbaya……..life IS good…….

  • bobthehorse

    Anyone got a view on the markets that doesn't involve geopolitics?

  • Tronacate

    People seem to have short memories….

    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/in

    The tangled webs we carefully weave

  • minus273

    Short term, no, but overall I think this is a well thought out perspective:
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/deep-thoughts-

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    I do Bob

    let's just use a simple BB(13,2) and very little else (no noodles this time)

    spx:gold

    http://www.uploadgeek.com/share-96F0_4B16325A.html

    bpspx

    http://www.uploadgeek.com/share-D69B_4B163556.html

    very little else

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    nightmare on elm street looks like a good alternative… FREDDIE!?!??!

  • ultra

    Good mooooooooooooooooooorning… Vietnam?

    You know what I just did? I actually just looked up the shoebox pattern.

    /douche

    Few technical points this morning

    1 – iPhone 3GS is ace (late to the party on this one I know)
    2 – Windows 7 is… fine, unremarkable so far
    3 – Solid State Drive – *definitely* worth upgrading to one of these babies for your main OS hard drive

    Market opinion will be forthcoming in due course – still need to get fully set up in Win7 environment – but it's basically Dow 10.6k-ish that I am looking to see before we say gutes Nacht Vienna

  • amokta

    any reason why rbs bank (UK) keeps falling – i thought these guys were all bailed out !

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    morning ultra, but today no vietnam, afghanistan or any other (we've had plenty) care to take a look at my charts?

  • tradejane

    RBS deeply involved with Dubai W. No bailout there.

  • amokta

    thanks – i thought so ! I did want to short the rbs when they were at 58p but i dont do non cash-settled puts nor spread-betting.

  • ultra

    real spx is – go figure – bearish

    bpspx is a bit more difficult to figure – let's get some more context on this 'un

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$BPSPX&p=D&yr=

    lower peaks can be consistent with lower highs, but at the moment the 200 ma is still rising, which gives me a little pause – it was falling in october 2007

    then again, that was then, this is now – would be good to see more than 3 years.

  • tradejane

    Sounds like you've been having fun. 10.6k sounds perfectly feasible the only problem is the banks. They just can't get any traction and they are dragging everything down. 🙂

    PS. Better change that to “Gute Nacht, Wien.” I don't mind but Mole is a stickler for German grammar. 😛

  • bobthehorse

    Können wir alle nicht gerade auskommen? Leute auf diesem Ausschuss sind zu empfindlich. Ich verwende einen On-Line-Übersetzer, wie ich German – keine Idee nicht spreche, wenn es Sinn hat.

  • ultra

    Sehr schöne Idea mein pferdeartiger Freund

  • ultra

    Vielen Dank fur dem Lektion. Mein Deutsch ist ein bisschen basik aber ich fahre heute nach der Schweiz so ich muss practisieren…

    10.6k is just based upon my alternative EW count of 3 wave ABC instead of 5-wave primary 1 into the March low and then a 61.8% retrace of wave C.

    As we know these fib levels tend to exert a magnetic attraction and from what I can tell, the DJIA can seemingly go up when all of it's constituents go down in price (much like the DXY ;-)) so I wouldn't rule anything out.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    hey, I din't say there couldn't be a final high (oct 2007 like with lower high in spx:gold), my hope is this is a replay of summer 2007

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    arvaa mitä, me kaikki voi olla Google Translator, ja ei, en puhu loppuun joko

  • ultra

    gotta love the Fins

  • bobthehorse

    Sorry – just saw this. Personally I think it is a sell though I am not risking anything over and above the short put on yday at 1103 and then again at 1108. Pretty clear we are in a 1080 to 1110 range (maybe 1120?) at the moment. Will get small short at top of that range and small long at the bottom until proven otherwise. Gap risk looks bigger on the downside to me than the upside but my best guess is we have to find a level next year to get short. Most people I know have packed up for the year but options flow from hedge funds has been more about playing upside gamma.

    Lot of data out this week so maybe that can force something on the market. As I have always said, we can't have a big move down without a small move down first and we haven't even had that. I am holding on to my Dec 1050's until expiry as they are worth the square root of f-all now anyway and a low liquidity environment can work to the downside as well as the upside.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    a friend of mine married a finish girl and lives there, visited him a couple of years ago (the girls are cute in their teens and early twenties, but age badly)

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    Ich glaube, unsere bösen Herrn langsam Folter unseren Edelstahl Karkassen für diese Beleidigungen zu seinem geliebten Sprache.

    aber dann wieder sind es grausamer, um uns zu leben und sehen diesen Markt

  • ultra

    Basically the whole Scandinavian and Baltic area is the hawtness and they can all have my babies

  • tradejane

    Tu alemán es mucho mejor que mi chino. You'll do just fine.

    >the DJIA can seemingly go up when all of its constituents go down in price (much like the DXY ;-))

    I agree. “It ain't over till the fat lady sings” as the Americáns like to say. (I think.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=146tTKSXu7s

  • ultra

    LOL – that is how I imagine the soundtrack in Lloyd, Benny and Timmy's heads right now

    Do you go to China much then?

  • gsavli

    spent 2 months in Norway. Ditto there. 🙂 But I can only say “ja snake ikke norsk” in norwegian 🙂

  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT

    wow. just wow 🙂

    How do you enjoy american government and banksters occupying the hole in your ass because you cannot defend it?
    Wow… just fucking WOW

  • bearmaid

    Exactly my opinion. Thanks for posting.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    PUBLIC ANOUNCEMENT

    “the politics index is way above the 200 days BB”

    drop it

  • tradejane

    Oh, no. I don't they would appreciate my…laissez-faire take on things.

    North Italy on the other hand…

    Hmmm, there's Volkswagen trading like the next GM again.

  • ultra

    Ruh roh – and what the hell were Porsche thinking of trying to take them over? Trying to recession proof themselves by diversifying out of the luxury market?

    A right dog's dinner anyway is how it has turned out.

    What I was talking about earlier – http://screencast.com/t/YjMyZDJmMj

  • marcopolo101520

    Worked for a major finish company here in US traveled to Scandinavia, man I agree when the girls get old they get ugly. The lack of sun, the constant winds and cold weather screws up their biology. The guys are not so bad when they get older because they spend most of their time drinking (indoors). When they get to spain, greece or italy the girls get nuts, boobies everywhere so they overexpose to everybody including sun. A bit of sunny days there in the north and they go out and enjoy sun. They are nicely build (see Tiger got a swedish chick) but their clock is somehow screwed up. Juts my 1%.

  • Niktus

    Pleaaaaase! As if banks need a reason to fall. All bailed out you say? Why did they need to be bailed out in the first place?
    I am tired fo listening ppl saying that buying bank stock is the best… Have mercy!

  • marcopolo101520

    some peole are bailing out now, the other will have to be bailed out later. Information.

  • Niktus

    One word, Denmark!

  • marcopolo101520

    ? What about them?

  • Niktus

    Best of scandinavia regarding the subject at hands. imho

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    better clock… scandinavian design with german(reliable) engine

  • marcopolo101520

    Got me there.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    sacana! papaste umas dinamarquesas…

    conheço quem la tenha estado na MS

  • Niktus

    Isto um gajo ja nao pode ser um tuga descontraido. 😉 Dinamarquesas sao simplesmente fabulosas!

  • marcopolo101520

    Who buys that? Scandinavia design with german(reliable) engine? Do not get me started SSH cause I spit on german novel marvels of engineering. So screwed up that 99.9999% I will never buy again a german car. Saab sold less than 400cars in US last month, who is buying those? Volvo, they cost a fortune to maintain (now they realized and they offer free maintanace for 5 years if I am right). Their cars are more for investing vehicles than anything else.

  • gmak

    Hello United Nations and all the ships at sea….
    NEW POST
    NEW POST
    NEW POST
    NEW POST
    NEW POST
    NEW POST
    NEW POST

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    foi inveja…. mas do tipo positivo, genero… não se arranja uma para os amigos?

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    1. I own a 2001 saab (pitty about the GM motor)
    2. don't know about recent auto screw ups by german manufacturers, sorry, don't pay much attention
    3. saab post 2003 is pure GM… who buys GM?

  • tradejane

    Thanks for the chart. Yes, that certainly looks like a good topping spot.

    Here's an update on what keeps me bearish:

    http://www.screencast.com/t/YTQyMWZk

    and

    http://www.screencast.com/t/MzA2ZDM1

    Volkswagen is a Black Swan, imo. I hope Lower Saxony has deep pockets.

  • telacimr

    I didn't say might makes right, but rather it makes reality. That's reality–regardless of whether you can psychologically comes to terms with it or not. It has nothing to do with whether I have a moral compass and everything to do with whether I can see the world for what it is and not what I want it to be. Just as I view the markets.

  • marcopolo101520

    All germans have shifted production in NA (cheapre). The design is still done in Germany but the assembly is all over (Czech, Hungary, Mexico, Spain, etc). The problem is not with the design (their cars are nice do not get me wrong) but assembly and once they start having troubles is when you get messed up financially. heard of a VW jetta built in US with a rattling noice from the glove compartment. Dealer unable to rectify the problem. Specialized mechanic (german guy!) takes it appart (nut head) and finds a can of Bud behind the glove compartment, set in from the production line with a message: you found the source of rattling noise. Embarrasing. Nobody should mess with quality, especially in a german car.

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    hi dave

    now that this is a dead thread… care to tell the fugees to drop by? Followed your link to your blog and saw quite a few that I miss around here

    maybe?

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    ok, but I'll be waiting for the ronin's return 😉

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    one of this days I'll send you a sugestion for a forum you'd love….

  • http://trading-to-win.blogspot.com/ DavidDT

    I am pretty sure a lot of local “old timers” still visiting this place quite often (without me orchestrating their presence OR absence here)
    It is not a big secret that most people respect and admire Mole's hard work and talent (I, for one, do), but not everyone might be so thick skinned to put up with occasional undeserved abuse only because they have different opinion.
    ~~~~~~~~~~
    Jeez – I did not know Russians might be that vague 🙂

  • http://sshamster.blogspot.com/ Stainless_Steel_Hamster

    I know and assumed as much, just thought of a little gentle (russian diplomacy) push 😉

  • Trader_Steve

    Like I said…left to you own, you make an ass of yourself just fine.

    Sorry you don't support the troops. You must be French.

    Steve

  • Trader_Steve

    I don't do it blindly. And I really don't need someone preaching to me who has no idea what I know or where my sources come from, or my politics. I think there is plenty to draw up Articles of Impeachment for this little man-child in office. So how's that for not following a government blindly?

    I note you didn't read a single book of note on the threat we face, It's difficult to take anyone's opinion seriously when they get their news from the media.

    Steve

  • Trader_Steve

    Did you pass away at the keyboard after “Please”?

  • Trader_Steve

    Before the world slips into tyranny and anarchy, you should memorize this quite and live it:

    “War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
    John Stuart Mill

  • minus273

    I imagine the afghans and Iraqis have an almost identical quote. Despite the beatings they have taken, they are still, and will continue to fight anyone invading their country. Can you blame them? of course you cant! You are endorsing the exact same thing man. The difference is they dont force their version of freedom on you. Please stop it with your one sided nonsense.

  • Trader_Steve

    Sorry, but you know nothing about the politics of the Middle East and what is festering there against us. You speak from a place of ignorance when you say they fight us for invading them. Many, many Afghan and Iraqi citizens want us there. Now, we told them we are leaving. So the Taliban will tell them that they have their eyes on them and when we leave, those who helped are dead. I know that first hand as I speak with Marines who have deployed and returned. That is what the commander-in-chief did to those people last night.

    You don't think too deeply about these issues.

    Steve

  • minus273

    Based on your (lack of) understanding of me, my thoughts, and what I know, I now fully understand, (and empathize with others for) your lack of insight, and yet projection of (yourself upon) others wishes. Peace.

  • Trader_Steve

    You may play philosopher, pundit, cleric, comedian, or wear any other hat you chose. But it does not dismiss the fact that you hold strong opinions based on what you have amply demonstated to be a complete ignorance of which you speak with regard to this topic.

    You have called America imperialistic and arrogant yet provide not aa single nation, or plan, for the survival of the world against a people who take over schools (our federal agents worst nightmare here), bomb buses and trains, and explode themselves in market places.

    That your final message is an ad hominem is what I have come to expect from individual who are full of sound and fury, but in the end, their opinion signifies nothing.

    Ignorance is bliss….you remain a happy man, firm in your belief that the opinions you hold are correct while men of understanding know they will kill us all.

    Steve

  • minus273

    lol. Except in hindsight, it is not that funny. “MEN OF UNDERSTANDING KNOW THEY WILL KILL US ALL!” Ahaha, ok, it is pretty funny.

    Are you living in Afghanistan? I heard 30,000 soldiers were heading over to kill them all.

  • minus273

    I imagine the afghans and Iraqis have an almost identical quote. Despite the beatings they have taken, they are still, and will continue to fight anyone invading their country. Can you blame them? of course you cant! You are endorsing the exact same thing man. The difference is they dont force their version of freedom on you. Please stop it with your one sided nonsense, these wars have nothing to do with freedom anyway, they are about control of strategic locations and resources, in particular oil.

  • Trader_Steve

    Sorry, but you know nothing about the politics of the Middle East and what is festering there against us. You speak from a place of ignorance when you say they fight us for invading them. Many, many Afghan and Iraqi citizens want us there. Now, we told them we are leaving. So the Taliban will tell them that they have their eyes on them and when we leave, those who helped are dead. I know that first hand as I speak with Marines who have deployed and returned. That is what the commander-in-chief did to those people last night.

    You don't think too deeply about these issues.

    Steve

  • minus273

    Based on your (lack of) knowledge and understanding of me, my thoughts, and what I know (after all you have never met me), I now fully understand, (and empathize with others for) your lack of insight, and yet projection of (yourself upon) others wishes. Peace.

  • Trader_Steve

    You may play philosopher, pundit, cleric, comedian, or wear any other hat you chose. But it does not dismiss the fact that you hold strong opinions based on what you have amply demonstated to be a complete ignorance of which you speak with regard to this topic.

    You have called America imperialistic and arrogant yet provide not aa single nation, or plan, for the survival of the world against a people who take over schools (our federal agents worst nightmare here), bomb buses and trains, and explode themselves in market places.

    That your final message is an ad hominem is what I have come to expect from individual who are full of sound and fury, but in the end, their opinion signifies nothing.

    Ignorance is bliss….you remain a happy man, firm in your belief that the opinions you hold are correct while men of understanding know they will kill us all.

    Steve

  • minus273

    lol. Except in hindsight, it is not that funny. “MEN OF UNDERSTANDING KNOW THEY WILL KILL US ALL!” Ahaha, ok, it is pretty funny.

    Are you living in Afghanistan? I heard 30,000 soldiers were heading over to kill them all.