Hot Money HEAT

Michael Davey again with basically just a comment cleaner, so you get what happens to be on my mind right here and now. As always, don’t do what I do. I’m a self-professed fool and this is a hot potato!

You can thank me for the lesson if you get burned (or make money fading/shorting this instead), but do not thank me if you play this and profit – that would be your doing.

The Pollution Control-Equipment group has been rising steadily in terms of relative strength (RS) lately and is now highly ranked. This is the group which sports RINO and DGW…and now we can add another Chinese small-cap to the fire – HEAT (Smartheat Inc.).

Several things intrigue me here (although I wish I had started buying yesterday instead of on the breakout today):

Positives:
-Small cap Chinese growth name from a rising group (i.e. the kind of play that has been working best all year).
-There was a 2ndary September 18th and the stock traded that day better than 33% above the offer price (offer was 9.00/share; PO on the above chart). This is an incredible indication of strong demand.
-Institutions appear to be coming in now (average volume is rising and volume is very, very strong for a tiny, $400M mkt-cap.
-New Highs today in RS; at least as long as it closes above 12.60 or so.
-Volume is on pace today to be over 4x’s with this potential breakout (breakout pivot-price is around 12.60/share and everything is a green light as far as I’m concerned above that level. A close below 12.60 today will cool my jets for the time being).
-HEAT breakout (unless it fails late today) is 8 weeks in the making (I like 6+ week breakouts and 8 is about perfect for.
-Growth is risig in sequential fashion and the company is going to top better than 100% growth this year while the PE is only 20 (PEG* therefore is quite attractive/low).
-No matter what you think of this market, momentum and thin are in.

Watch OUT’s:
-Already moved about 40% in a few days to get to this breakout. That is a sign of incredible strength, but it is also a sign of too-much-too-fast.
-Small-cap nature and high beta means the potential risk is great (no reason to trust this name below 12.60 at this time).
-I’m going out of my way to mention this stock – could be I’ll end up paying for it.

*PEG = price-to-earnings, divided by growth. A high-PE name with high-growth will have a relatively low PEG; compared to a lower PE-stock where growth is low.

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  • de3600
    I dont know when but when this starts to fall apart its going to get ugly so fast.
  • kanur
    you can fool all people some of tha time but ya can't fool all people all of tha time.
  • rocky
    that ""when" can blow out george soros also. market can do anything
  • gregn
    Do you know if he is currently short the dollar. I 'know' that he is but cannot find data to support it. That danger Marxist has been to the White House several times recently...
  • rocky
    so many smart traders being screwed by layman operators who know nothing except buying
  • Tronacate
    Trader_Steve........how soon you forget

    Let alone what happened in the tent

    http://www.positiveliberty.com/wp-content/uploa...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1pMT4kO2pw

    Wonder who got the "beef" when the "dined" together.......???
  • vision_invisible
    At no point did he say that Bush was any better. Take a look at bush Senior - Prescott Bush, he ran the holding company / bank UBC that funded the Nazi's to power.

    The monied interests will tell you every fairy tale - WMDs and then joke about it like it was a Fraternity prank. Same thing with Afghanistan.

    Let's see if they can continue to disinform the masses from the truth - these guys have no sides. Obama is a puppet.
  • Tronacate
    He just gets a hard on for O'Bama........when Bushie was a worse piece of trash
  • First time trading intra-day in a while, as I decided to play with front-month options. Bought some SPY 110 calls near LOD, then sold 111's near the close for a sweet vertical position, which I'm holding until Friday.
  • PRSGuitars
    Beautiful! nicely done buddy. Spreads are a great way of capturing minimal risk with outsized return relative to naked trades in many cases (if you can catch the spread, ie, sit naked for a while and then spread against short options - duh).

    Had a Feb BAC 16 put from a while back that I spread against a Feb BAC 12 put when it bottomed out a few weeks ago. My net risk now is 32$ on a single contract spread with a max reward of 350$+ if we close Feb under BAC 12. Now that's what I'm talking about! Theta neutral, sigh, sweet relief.
  • Sweet play on BAC! Yes, I love spreads, and was really getting comfortable with them in the spring, but then I got started with futures and killed most of my account over-leveraging myself for the last 5-6 months. Sigh -- expensive tuition. Anyway, I've licked my wounds and am getting back into real trading. Looking to take positions for one to three weeks, primarily with option spreads. Go greeks!
  • gregn
    I have never gotten into spreads, but to create a theta neutral scenario you would have to buy and sell at the same instance, otherwise you cannot guarantee that the theta will be the same when you wait for the spread. Correct?
  • PRSGuitars
    Forgive me, i was being colloquial -- for the purposes of my spread (Feb
    contracts, so, much theta left to burn, albeit at a slower pace, comp'd to
    front month options, duh), this is theta neutral.

    Here's my analysis tab on TOS for the position:
    http://screencast.com/t/ZmFjMDkxNzE

    You'll see what i mean. This isn't a method so much as a nice trade setup
    -- if things work in your favor, you can spread them later for an
    effectively neutral stance should it move against you at worst. You are
    correct, though, this is not really 'neutral' but depending on your risk
    tolerance, it may be almost so.
  • gregn
    Gotcha ;)
  • PRSGuitars
    133.3% channel extension review for anyone who may have missed me babbling about it over the last few months:

    The 133.3 channel extension is a phenomenally useful tool for predicting channel 'breakout' reversals. If a breakout is suspect, it will be contained within the 133.3% -- examples are abound if anyone would like more (I just went through my disqus and searched for 133, came up with dozens of examples).

    Here's how i do a 133 extension on a platform that doesn't allow for customization of channels (like ProphetCharts; TOS charts: edit channel, add curve, enter 133.3 or -0.333 if it's on the other side, ie, an inverse 133 extension... done!):

    Synthetic 133.3% extension -- move the new channel's 75% line to the 100% line of the old channel. See charts below.

    Example (from September FOMC madness):
    Part 1: http://screencast.com/t/Q3yzJOsVZpM
    Part 2: http://screencast.com/t/7cE6dZuiPK5
  • amokta
    Ok has P3 started (silly question - does such a thing exist!)
    EWI STU - states at dow 10,495 , wave W would equal wave Y, which might be a turn point - mind you on past performance, they fcould well be wrong!
  • rocky
    he has been finding such ratios since last 3 months and screwing subscribers,as these waves keep extending till infinity
  • amokta
    i wouldnt mind if ewi had been a bit more cautious in their language. Issuing an alert in august saying traders should go to full short positions looks silly in hindsight(i didnt go short then, but didnt go long, so lost some gains)
  • de3600
    Just stay in the game
  • gregn
    "NEW YORK, Nov 17 (Reuters) - U.S. stocks rose to fresh 13-month highs on Tuesday as upbeat broker views on improving prospects for two Dow components offset disappointing holiday spending outlooks from Target <tgt.n> and Home Depot <hd.n>."

    Terribly specific... what components? I would not be surprised to read:

    "NEW YORK, Dec 17 (Reuters) - U.S. stocks rose to fresh 10 year highs on Tuesday as sentiment is upbeat as upgrade of Bank of America offset 50% unemployment numbers."</hd.n></tgt.n>
  • de3600
    Very bullish
  • dollar
    Volume Rate of Change cracks?: http://screencast.com/t/NGZmNWZi
  • gregn
    P&F Triple top breakout yesterday on $SPX with a price target in mid 1200s.
    http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.pnf?c=$spx,P
  • CorporalCarrot
    Scary thought of the evening. I don't have the sophisticated charting stuff you guys do, but I use stockcharts from time to time. The last few days I've been operating on the assumption that this November rally is very similar to September and October (rally from start of month into Opex followed by a retracement). A scary thought has just occurred. Dow is within a gnats chuff of looking more like the July situation than either of those.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p08691452033&a=180309431
  • bergs
    Mean't to also point on on the download page if you scroll down there is a excellent PDF of the TOS manual
  • bergs
    You can download the TOS/Prophet charting package here.

    https://www.thinkorswim.com/tos/displayPage.tos...

    Just do the modest registration request and you will have two very powerful charting programs. The free TOS charts run delayed on some things, but Prophet is real time. I now have the TDAmetitrade version but I ran the trial package for over a year and they never bugged me to go paid. I blew off Stockcharts after a month. Not saying Stockcharts is bad. Just easier to annotate etc.
    For Prophet I would recommend Tim Knight's book " Charting Your Way To Profits". A bible for his charting package
  • PRSGuitars
    ALERT, YE GOLD BULL(ION)S

    http://screencast.com/t/MGY1MWRkYWMt
  • ruh roh
  • I can't believe how weak that ramp was.......almost looks like we're still playing out the IVth of the 5th...
  • Captain Obvious
    Nothing works anymore, short the ES screwed!, long GS today screwed!, short the dollar screwed!, what is left? online poker???
  • Niktus
    Online poker likely to be less "fixed" ;-)
  • A lot more regulated yes - seriously - LOL :-)
  • TWD
    Bullshit. I played FullTilt for over a year and I swear the algorithims tend to favor the donkey idiots so they keep coming back and depositing more money.
  • TheCrowe
    Good idea. People are dumber there and they don't have endless bankrolls...
  • CorporalCarrot
    Heres an idea folks for all the people suffering from bearish exhaustion.

    A number of years ago, I followed Elan very closely particularly the Yahoo! message board which was actually an excellent board with a number of people who contributed very well on the science side. When elan tanked the first time, a load of people loaded up on all sorts of leveraged instruments. Their faith in the SCIENCE made them certain that in the end they would prevail. When elan went up finally by several thousand percent, the group had a party in Vegas. I believe people from all over the world went to it to celebrate. I couldn't at the time, and besides although I had done well, I hadn't the capital at the time to commit to it to make it really worth my while. The vegas trip probably would have cost me what I made on it.

    So a suggestion; Mole, Berk et al. If P3 does get started, why not have an ES gathering somewhere.....I've no doubt many millionaires will be made from it. Hold this thought!!!
  • raised_by_wolves
    How about we meet in the high country for some serious big game hunts?
  • I do like the Vegas idea - have thought about it...
  • raised_by_wolves
    I don't like the Vegas idea as I don't enjoy losing money or paying for sex. Let's go salmon fishing or dall sheep hunting instead. Or, how about a wilderness survival course?
  • Tronacate
    Dollar looks ready to pop north out the descending wedge.
  • Tronacate
    SRS finally moving properly.....biatch ho that she is.......speaking of biatch hos....where's fa_q?
  • tradejane
    SRS *always* does that after I sell it. :D

    At least I pegged SKF right, looking to buy back that one, mid or lower 23's, depending on what the tape says.
  • kryxtal
    Today's volume seems to be the lowest out of 2009 so far.
  • kryxtal
    Also, it seems like we've only had one down day in November so far (at least on the SPX).
  • Tronacate
    Wonder if the bulls are getting like Pavlov's dog.....salivating at 3:30 everyday......bell rings for raw bear meat
  • PRSGuitars
    That's what I'm talking about! (time pivot trading)
  • CorporalCarrot
    Well, very shortly McHugh and a whole host of other people are about to be proved wrong about today being a turn date.
  • bshah
    I think, that's what it is about... As I said before, now more than ever, BEN, GS & team want to prove their ego right and everyone else wrong about what they can do... This is nothing but EGO...Don't you think.. . I mean come on PRS... I understand all technicals, Pivots and all that, but how in the fucking world for entire day a market can be a hostage in 10 pts and then all of a sudden go up 30 pts... There is no fundamentals hitting it on the upside but all are effective on downside... How's that.?
    ps.. Nothing personal against PRS... I am just ventilating..
  • CorporalCarrot
    Volume is low so its easy for it to be moved. Also, Dow can be quite severely affected by a price move in IBM for example, which might be a small % move in terms of that stock but the way the index is created can have a disproportional effect. Its not necessarily manipulation.
  • bshah
    ok ... and what do we call it to close it at 1110.. Dang... They can do it..
  • CorporalCarrot
    A clusterfuck of enormous proportion?
  • bshah
    Ha ha.. help us all...GOD if you are there..
  • Schwerepunkt
    It's not midnight yet.
  • CorporalCarrot
    Excellent point :)
  • Niktus
    Honestly who buys at a time like this? Just amazing...
  • Something doesn't add up here. SPY is flat, buy IYR is down 0.9% as I write this.
  • TWD
    Now low of the day down over 1%. I believe IYR over SPY at this point. Before major market reversal points, I think it always precedes the shift in the major indices. SRS was positive all day.
  • Crazy stuff! IYR ended down about 1.4%. I'm not complaining (still 5% underwater in my DRV trade), just puzzled at this large divergence. XLF and BKX were solidly green...?!
  • tradejane
    Re: IYR & XLF

    They were already in a much bigger divergence (put them up together on a one month chart.) That tends to correct on the downside for IYR. The fun starts after they catch up with each other.
  • I like what I'm seeing from such a comparison. The implication would be that IYR still has some weight to lose :)
  • Huggybear
    Mole,

    Not just your site having problems today. I'm getting lots of timeout errors on other sites today too and lost my tradestation data feed for a few minutes earlier.
  • Me_XMan
    Unbelievable. Wow.
  • WTFed
    Man it is getting a little tiresome seeing "Wow" every time the market moves.
  • CorporalCarrot
    lol I hear you but give the man a break. I think we all know the pain of being on the wrong end of a position. Every tick can seem like a 200 point move against you.
  • WTFed
    I hear ya too but I need a break. I'm with him on the wrong side!
  • CorporalCarrot
    Awww lets all have a big hug :)
  • WTFed
    Kisses

    I'm sowwy
  • Me_XMan
    WTF!
  • WTFed
    WTF WTF?

  • Me_XMan
    LOL!
  • bshah
    Is this for real & serious...? We are saying that 9 months on.. this rally is here to stay... This is amazingly awesome... 10430 again... oh btw, if my post got crushed in new post.. here it is.. just my opinion...

    "This is the most hypocrate US stock market and the society I have seen... Where we pompously advertise on cleanness, transparency, accuracy and on the other hand openly abuse and manipulate the market as we please ... only by few selective interested parties/indviduals.. Obviously, I don't have written evidence, but open enough from the way stock market prices are being controlled ( PPT and other teams ready to launch counter attacks ) that in entire day, market can't even go red to more than 50 pts..even with some bad data.. fock it.. this is not TA or noise or fundamentals... it's bs from a..h..s..."
  • CorporalCarrot
    Don't get emotional about it. Now is a better time to short than at any time bar none over the last 9 months. Its just the relentless rise in the market has wiped you out emotionally and mentally and you cannot pull the trigger.
  • PRSGuitars
    A+ carrot!

    but similarly, continuing to go all-in and cashing out at a loss is not a recipe for success, so each trader has to gauge for themselves...
  • CorporalCarrot
    I just happened to be playing Metallica's new album there. "The Day that Never Comes" is ironically my least favourite track on it.

    Feck it, I think I'll short a bit more here.
  • gregn
    I stopped like Metallica's CDs after the Black Album. I enjoy S&M, however.
  • CorporalCarrot
    Well you should give it a chance if you like the older stuff. Seriously, its nothing like Load/Reload/St Anger and has some genuinely great tracks. its never going to be AJFA or MOP but its a solid album.

    Incidentally, has anyone heard the new Slayer album? These guys should just pack it in. A bit like this market already.
  • gregn
    Nothing like Load/Reload of Garbage? I think I may try it. Thanks for the suggestion.
  • CorporalCarrot
    Yes and although they've clearly matured and the sound is new, theres some stuff thats genuinely reminiscent of older Metallica. Theres even a cool instrumental.
  • gregn
    I'll have to pick it up on the way home from work. Merci.
  • PRSGuitars
    Curious -- does anyone else on the board use time pivots to look for inflection/reversal points?

    Just throwing that out there -- the 3 o clock pre-drop was perfectly timed in both EUR and ES to touch VWAP on the latter and some MAs on the former, just before a solid pop going into the last hour. Do you guys watch that stuff or is it more price action + indicators for you all?

    Just curious because I don't know if i should be posting my thoughts or not -- seems most people are concerned with the timing of it all on a larger timeframe (days; ie the spiral calendar/gann/etc). I see this stuff on an intraday basis at least 5x a day...
  • Rightside_ot_trade

    My brother uses a proprietary Fib time study; today is the end of the window for an intermediate price change in ES
    Do you use a particular study in TOS to get time pivots?
  • PRSGuitars
    Thats the longer-term stuff I was referring to -- I use shorter timeframe pivots (like within the hour, or hours relative to one another, etc). Berk is the spiral calendar master here (from what I understand).
  • I neglect the time aspect far too much - apart from the casual 'does that look right' once over.

    Having said that, I think everyone expects the eod ramp by now. But defo keep sharing this stuff - you mention a lot of stuff that I haven't noticed before...
  • PRSGuitars
    Thanks! I'm a very abstract trader, I've found. Buying at moving averages works, sure, but I find the most insane stuff is always achieved by out-of-the-box thinking. I know the 133.3% extension of a channel was, quite literally, guess-and-check with channel lines until I kept finding that the 133 produced a wonderful ambush/reversal target for a channel "breakout" (which is suspect).
  • Trader_Steve
    Hi Zach,

    I am trying to figure out what software to use to generate those myself as you have convinced me. And iffC=A at that 133% line, it's a sweatheart trade.

    Steve

    P.S. Been quite lately as I am really sick of this shit. The bow I saw from Obama to the Japanese Emperor added a level of detestation that I didn't think was posssible at this point.
  • nice seeing you back here ;-)

    screw obambi, he's already screwing thee
  • PRSGuitars
    I can understand your frustrations! When he's on his knees kowtowing in China, we'll really be in trouble (and yes, I know they don't kowtow anymore).

    Here's how i do a 133 extension on a platform that doesn't allow for customization of channels (like ProphetCharts; TOS charts: edit channel, add curve, enter 133.3 or -0.333 if it's on the other side, ie, an inverse 133 extension... done!):

    Synthetic 133.3% extension -- move the new channel's 75% line to the 100% line of the old channel.

    Example (from September FOMC madness):
    Part 1: http://screencast.com/t/Q3yzJOsVZpM
    Part 2: http://screencast.com/t/7cE6dZuiPK5
  • Trader_Steve
    Thanks Zach....I'll give it a try.

    Steve
  • gregn
    At least he didn't bow to a Saudi King. Oh wait....
  • Keep posting any pattern you can decipher - please
  • PRSGuitars
    I'll be emailing you a really complex time-scoring method I began considering a while back -- its the basis of my thoughts for how minute bars can be hierarchically considered so as to find easy (:00, :15, :30, and :45) and hard (2:10 and 3:19 pm EST, among others) time pivots.

    The easy time pivots are more what im referring to -- like, 3:00 pm EST is exactly where i've come to expect a 10-minutes-before anti-move (counter-the-real-direction) before 2:58-3:02 where the real move begins (as we can now see).

    The confluence MAs on EUR (5min, 20/50/100/etc) and VWAP touch on ES/SPY sealed the deal. I just notice thinking turning all too often at rather obvious turn points.

    Like I said, check your email (and prepare to have your brain warped, I apologize if it's too abstract but let me know if I can explain any better, I'll be happy to do so). I will be posting this concept freely later but want to waft it to the traders I respect to get feedback before I really release it on the world -- who knows, it may be useful, it may not...

    As a highly visual person and time pivot trader, I think it'd be phenomenally useful. Thanks MD!
  • Will chew on this after some lunch, thx - looking forward to it
  • PRSGuitars
    no prob, just sent
  • tradejane
    Cute little stock, thanks for sharing. It kind of reminds me of ASIA back in the day. :)
  • very cute, yes...prolly b the death of me
  • I could have posted about the market not plunging with the Dollar rally today. But I am studying this and want to hold out for tomorrow.
    ...May end up being significant; rather demoralizing for the bears if this continues
  • Wordpress crawling today
  • SPY 5 min - ramp ahoy!

    http://screencast.com/t/Njg2Yjkz
  • gregn
    Make it 12.80.
  • gregn
    I would be more comfortable waiting till it held 12.70 before jumping in on the long side.
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