Losing Like a Winner: A Trader’s Guide

Michael Davey here…

Let’s face it – we’re all terrible traders. Sometimes.

We look at the big picture, piece it all together and see something meaningful (fine); we feel a shift in trend and sense an opportunity is at hand (good); we absolutely know something is going to happen (very dangerous).

Again, what differentiates a winning trader at the end of the year is the willingness to minimize draw-downs. Since we can’t run like god all the time (and swinging for fences implies increased risk underwriting such reward), it means we’ve got to back-off when the market challenges our brilliant strategy/outlook and losses are at hand.

There are several ways to back-off, not the least of which is moving completely aside and waiting for your thesis to emerge. Too often though, we hold onto a subjective view and continue to fight, keeping in front of the trade. Once in a while this will work (if you come in only slightly ahead of a turn, for example), but far more often hanging-out on the wrong side of the tape (since you know better than the market) serves to harm in more ways than one.

First there are the losses, which bears know by now can be trying (see picture above). But second, there is the added draw-back of positioning yourself poorly for taking advantage of your original thesis; should it finally(!) develop. Yes, instead of a lovely sense of relief followed by a killing spree of gains, you are only too willing to take your little profit as relief initiates. You’ve been fighting for X number of days (months!) and now you’ve cemented your psychology in an up-stream mode. As pressure comes off and your trade evolves into a winner, you have to fight the urge to book the early gains (or lessened losses); crawling back to your den instead; happy to have survived with most of your entrails still contained.

If you simply get out of the way, however, it becomes much easier then to re-fire boldly as your belated genius begins to take hold and make money.

Did that make sense? The point is that losses kill, in future opportunity as well as present trauma – but still a strong part of you insists on hanging-out with them. Gains lead to more gains and losses beget further losses. Break the cycle before it can trap you; blow-out the losing trades and free yourself for future set-ups.

I’m a fool. I’ve said that many times, but I try fool-well not to be such an idiot. Trading for a living means you will be wrong on a regular basis (loser!). If normal life were like trading we would get into car accidents regularly, develop cancers on a monthly basis, accidently walk into oncoming traffic, sit down under falling knives, pianos, coconuts, etc.

Trading is not like real life! Stop thinking so logically.

Once you accept that you’re a freak, working in a freak field, it gets easier to stop holding onto losing ideas – no matter how brilliant they may be. And don’t think that because something is a small part of your overall portfolio that it is somehow less dangerous. Experienced traders know there is a tendency for our biggest losses to stem from those smaller positions. We’re on our guard when heavily invested in something, right? Well, we might be a little more slack when something cannot take us down in a day. Three months later you’re (finally!) cutting-off a limb because the gangrene stench means you can’t keep pretending it doesn’t really hurt.

Blow it out – cut cancers off at the toe while you have the chance.

Obviously I have learned the hard way – you will too if you haven’t already. If this doesn’t describe your experience – get away now and spare yourself! How easy is that? This game will warp how you look at everything.

It better.

There is no good reason to take a stand against a larger trend because of something  you think. Taking a shot when you see a set-up is great – you need to do that. It’s ironic, but even though you will lose limbs on a regular basis you need the gumption to attack like you can never be hurt. That gets harder as you get older (since the many wounds start to take a toll and create a risk-averse psyche). But fight like you mean it, you’re not going to win otherwise.

And then cower like a fool when things aren’t working. It’s kind of that simple, actually.

Case in point, if I had not been positioned short coming into today’s session, I very likely would have sold short into today’s close. But coming in short (aggressive accounts at least), means I was forced to neutralize – to run like a coward instead. Trust me, this is a better approach. The reason is that now I am free to fight again. If the short-line starts working tomorrow I am going to get in there and attack, but if the bulls log another ever-victory, I’m just sitting behind my yellowing curtains and knitting from the sidelines while things develop.

Yes, I personally still have a position, but this is because I think I know what I’m doing; and it is balanced market-neutral for the time being. If I am newer at trading, I am out altogether and simply waiting. But if I had taken my first shot short late today, I would add to that tomorrow on any weakness. I have a licence to attack in that case because I am gaining (and limbs are in tact). If I am bleeding, then I have to retract; period.

See the difference? I trade myself just like I trade a stock. I let out more as I’m gaining and I fire my ass to the sidelines if I’m losing.

I know I’m a fool because I trade for a living. Being a trader means I am wrong all the time. I don’t need to pretend otherwise, there is no shame in being wrong with such a dynamic as the market. Why should I stand up strong and tell myself and everyone who can read a blog-comment that I’m really right, even though I am losing? I’ll stand up tall and tell you I don’t know a bloody thing. If I was so smart I wouldn’t be here. I’d be a corporate lawyer wondering why there’s only 24 billable hours in a day.

Perhaps.

Cliff Notes: Maybe you’re like me – maybe you’re a trader. I can’t help you with that. But hey, you’re wrong all the time (I know) – so there is no reason then to keep fighting the ugly, losing fights. We’re fighting every day and the blows add up. You can be Tyson and storm the world, but you’ll be crushed soon enough. You’ve got to more of a coward than that if you want to come out ahead. You’ve got to minimize the blows. When your opponent is weak, that is the fight you want. Every trade is different but the best trades tend to work right away and just keep working. When you are doing best in this game, the gains come very, very easy.

What is the point of struggling so hard then, just to lose money?

Previously in this series:
A Trader’s Guide to Secondary Offerings (Part 2)
A Trader’s Guide to Secondary Offerings (Part 1)
A Trader’s Guide (Introduction)
A Trader’s Guide to Chasing Ambulances
A Trader’s Guide to Exhaustion

This entry was posted on Monday, November 16th, 2009 at 8:20 pm and is filed under Trading Psychology. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.

  • Me_XMan
    Unbelievable. Wow.
  • roncofooddehydrator
    NEW POST!
  • ClutchShorter
    Financials are still weak. SPY and DIA volume is extremely low. But who cares, nothing can take this market down.

    Unemployment Bad - Market Rally
    Retail #s Bad - Market Rally
    Dollar Crash - Market Rally
    Terrorist Attack - Market Rally
    Miley Cyrus Leaked Photos - Market Rally
    Sarah Palin on Oprah - Market Rally
  • bshah
    This is the most hypocrate US stock market and the society I have seen... Where we pompously advertise on cleanness, transparency, accuracy and on the other hand openly abuse and manipulate the market as we please ... only by few selective interested parties/indviduals.. Obviously, I don't have written evidence, but open enough from the way stock market prices are being controlled ( PPT and other teams ready to launch counter attacks ) that in entire day, market can't even go red to more than 50 pts..even with some bad data.. fock it.. this is not TA or noise or fundamentals... it's bs from a..h..s...
  • NEW POST is up
    ...I still have to place the image, but text is done
  • Tronacate
    Just a little insight into housing in AZ....talked to the plant manager of a large roof tile manufacturer.......down to 11 employees from 125.......closing down production for over a month starting this month.......sees NO demand increase.

    I know fundamentals don't matter.......but it is ugly here......Chapman car dealer(huge) has over 200 layed off
  • I think we're now painting the 5th wave........the 5th of an ED......
  • kryxtal
    SPX just filled its gap from this morning.

    Seems like gaps down get filled the same day, gaps up take weeks or months to fill.
  • Me_XMan
    FACK!
  • A bit of senseless MM that probably won't play out

    http://screencast.com/t/OGE0MzA4
  • anyone seeing an ascending wedge for the last 3 hours ?
  • Tronacate
    This market reminds me of High School football.......run the same play until they stop it.......
  • centerline
    Nailed it. Nothing more confusing sometimes than doing the same thing again and again. Freaks people out.
  • Tronacate
    Fuckin' a........"they wouldn't do that AGAIN"........then sure enough.......
  • as the legendary Yogi Berra said "it's deja vu all over again"

    and talking of that legend, we bears " We made too many wrong mistakes"
  • gregn
    To use another relevant quote of his, "It ain't over till it's over.".
  • centerline
    works wonders to scare the crap out of the resistance and removes the natural pressure that would otherwise prevent us from "melting up" on low volume. Too many bears scared to touch this thing again until after a correction starts results in a delay of a correction starting. Market rises to extremes (overthrow) until the bulls start killing each other instead. The bears pounce in then, and the exits get crammed full.
  • CorporalCarrot
    Centerline,

    I take it from your posts you believe we are very close to a top (at least short term). ?
  • centerline
    I do think so. Hate to say it though. I think we are reaching a critical point here where we either get a decent correction or the market magic continues through year end at least. In just playing the odds, I find myself favoring some decent downside here sooner than later.
  • TWD
    EDIT - Holy redundant post batman! I should have read all the comments regarding a cleaner.
  • tradejane
    I 've decided to become a cynic about the whole thing. But one thing I won't do is eat beef right now!
  • TWD
    how's your steak tartare hmm?
    Make or break time. I say break as it is looking awfully tired.
    http://www.screencast.com/t/YjJjNjJkZD
  • tradejane
    The blue cheese sauce goes very well with that. :)

    I'm trying not to get too excited here but I agree that both sectors look tired these days even when they are in the green.

    Imo, a drop below 43.44 (give or take a few of points) would open the door to 42.28. Until that happens we are looking at 45 or so.
  • TWD
    Just say no to Kobe. hehe.
  • Nope - my ISP seems to be fucking around...
  • Tronacate
    Wife was watching dancing with the stars last night.....see that Blonde from Poland I think.....HOLY SHIT.......
  • Tronacate
    I think when the selling starts.......it's going to be a little like a run called Waterfall ( if I remember the name right) in Park City.....starts out not so steep.....then drops off a cliff into a mogul field
  • CorporalCarrot
    It could have been worse folks. Imagine what today would have been like if the Euro hadn't tanked :)
  • hey berk, for the comment cleanner you can call it "fleeced bears" and use these photos

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1225042/Germanys-bald-bears-Fur-disease-afflicts-Dolores-baffles-vets.html
  • centerline
    Wow. Bears are really fugly without the fur. Really cool pics.
  • jebus - they are really feeling it

    *sigh* - I don't know why I foolishly expected this w5 to go by in a flash, but I can see it getting strung out until opex at this rate...
  • Schwerepunkt
    I've had no connection problems here, but I do not use Zero/Geronimo. I do clean my cache regularly.
  • still getting timeouts and 170 ms replies

    something's wrong but typing is working now
  • Tronacate
    BERK.......made the change in the BB easy language ......change from AverageFC to Xaverage......
  • Me_XMan
    WTF! Bears couldn't hold red day today.
  • tradejane
    From my end it seems the bulls are preparing some sort of a bounce tomorrow.
  • Tronacate
    Still a ways to go today....
  • kryxtal
    Wow. Just wow.
  • Sorry guys - I cannot post right now or do anything - have been trying to sort out technical problems all morning. The damn site is slow and everything on my backend is melting down as well. Have not even had breakfast yet - need to take a step back.

    Berk - if you could put up a quick comment cleaner I'd appreciate it.
  • I'm good to go in a few minutes, if Berk doesn't beat me to it.
  • Go ahead Michael, I will be busy for the rest of the day. Thanks.

    Skal!
  • have you installed aditional antivirus or anti malware stuff lately?
  • gregn
    Buy S&P -- Terranova, Buy "Stock Market" (Gary Kaminsky), Sell US Dollar (Peter Schiff, Seymour).
  • IHS gallore, one small, one big, big pointing to 1114
  • Nightwind
    Berk, have you used Acceleration Bands in lieu of BB? I just started playing with them.
  • No, I have seen a couple of people using them though. I like the BBs for their statistical properties...

    Discovered anything interesting I should know about as I am always open for improvement? :-P

    Skål!
  • Nightwind
    Can't say yet....just started messing around them the last couple of days.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Aren't Keltner Bands preferred by traders these days?
  • Not by this trader. As far as I know though, they are pretty similar to the 0.5 BB that I use.

    Skål!
  • Berk, you have something to go?
    I can post in 15 if not - let me know
  • Schwerepunkt
    KBs are not hugely different, but they use average true range in their calculation, as opposed to EMA's.
  • Jan
    keep you eyes on IBM...could breakout soon here.
  • centerline
    Here we go. SPX breakout.
  • my ping is 54, but I'm in europe, so it's acceptable, you must have some errors in this post's code
  • tradejane
    Mine's 133 and that's totally unacceptable - if this is due to my own provider.
  • "you lucky b"$#"#stard" (with monty python voice)

    I'm getting timeouts now
  • tradejane
    I've been getting those too. Something is weighting on the website.
  • NEED YOUR HELP GUYS!

    Do you have problems accessing this site? Is it slow? My hosting provider keeps insisting that it's me and I would like to validate that.
  • WTFed
    No problem at all.
  • s'ok for me on the site - it's just the zero is awol
  • I was wondering why it is always with the green bar updating and I write much faster than it appears...

    it's not disqusT, on the main page, same crap
    some code error

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    best regards
  • yes slow. But content is great! :)
  • roncofooddehydrator
    I don't have any problems, but this morning I had some issues accessing sites like yahoo, cnn, etc. I suspect a domain name server went down somewhere on the internet between where I am and those servers. It may be that whichever servers you have to hop through from where you are to where ES resides have been affected.

    My ping time to ES is 35ms right now.
  • I had problems this AM logging onto the zero, but everything is smooth on my end now...

    Skål!
  • Huggybear
    No problems here. I'm using firefox.

    I take it back. Just did a refresh and it took about 15 seconds.
  • gregn
    During certain portions of the day, it is very slow. At least 10 times I was not able to even access your site. Frequently, posts do not update so I have to press refresh to get the new posts.
  • Jan
    Very slow. Hard to post.
  • Tronacate
    BERK......I just set the period to 200 in the BB on tradestation......they might not be ema.......I might have to dig around on how to change that setting.....
  • they are SMA in tradestation. Open up the indicator and change that "SMA" to "EMA" in all occurrences, verify and save. It should switch it to an EMA...

    That is part of the problem I have. Seems only Prophet recognized the value of an BBEMA...

    Skål!
  • Tronacate
    Gotcha......that explains the entry difference on RIMM I'm sure.
  • Sure would. EMAs work much better for high beta stocks.

    Skål!
  • Schwerepunkt
    This puny range is rendering my indicators impotent.
  • Jan
    check out CELG
  • Jan
    Gonna spit out some stocks on the move. TRW,SOHU, MEE and take a look at those ags.....POT on fire.
  • Nice picks. Not thrilled on SOHU, though a push down sure could trigger a short entry. POT missed the original entry, and it is rocking. TRW looks like a nice bull flag, and MEE is just pumpin... Thanks.

    SKål!
  • Jan
    Man you were rht about SOHU! Thanks for the feedback!
  • TimV
    How do yall pick which stocks to use the BB system on? Out of curiosity, I just ran a backtest on the NDX100 since jan of 06...decent results...but it would be nice if there was some way to weed out some of the bad ones that chop around a lot.
  • Question for you... What are you using to backtest this, or did you do it by hand. I would be most curious to see your results.

    I pick stocks that 1) I am familiar with 2) are high beta 3) have a tendency to trend (and that is the most important one) 4) have a long $$ value to fall... Right now I have a list of 20-25 tickers that I am watching for entries...


    Skål!
  • TimV
    Ameritrade Strategy Desk
    Results: http://bit.ly/gqLGT

    Using the 200/0.75 and 200/0.5 BB.

    Im not familiar with the program... I just used preset BB entry code, and modified it to use your BB#s. It worked though... it even will give you charts showing you entries/exits....

    Let me know if you want me to run it on any stocks for you... its pretty simple once its set up.

    Tim
  • Wow... Thanks. I will need to dissect that a bit, but it is nice to see positive results every time I see backtested results...

    Actually, I have a list of stocks that I am trading with the system that I wouldn't mind being backtested if you have the time, and don't mind. I haven't been able to set up one of my back-testing simulations due to program updates and lack of time.

    One question though. Was this using a 200SMA or 200EMA for the BBs? If it is an SMA that makes me feel better, as the EMA should produce even better results. Most places haven't given me an option to backtest the BB with an EMA, therefore I much code and code until not only have I changed the standard BB to a BBEMA, but then have to work the strategies out too.

    Skål!
  • TimV
    I cant tell in the program... ill look around to see if I can figure it out... but looking at the BB on one the chart for RIMM, it appears it is using the SMA.

    Here is what the code looks like... Im not sure how to force it to use EMA.

    Bar[Close,D] < BollingerBands[Lower,Close,200,0.50,D] AND Bar[Close,D,1] >= BollingerBands[Lower,Close,200,0.50,D,1]

    Id be happy to backtest anything... Ill send you an email so you have my addy.
  • Tronacate
    You know how to do the sma to ema on tradestation??......it would be nice to automate the trading strategy or least have a scanner for a nice selection of prospects.
  • ClutchShorter
    Wow, wish there was an option on TOS for that.
  • TimV
    BTW, I set it up using 5k on each BB.
  • Also getting my attention is a new (4me) Chinese name HEAT.
    Up a little much today, perhaps, but looking like a true brkout and this is a rising group in terms of RS (same as the RINO group - Pollution Control-equip).

    I'm scaling in so far, but extremely intrigued even if a little late to the party.
    One thing to note, they did a 2ndary in the hole several weeks ago - priced it at 9 and the phcker opened around 12! ...now it is brking out of a 8wk base.

    Burner
  • Schwerepunkt
    housing market index in 3-min (1pm EST).
  • Adjusted back into net-long exposure here for now. Dollar rally not translating to weaker equities (mentioned here by several and potentially important, imo; especially given that there we and China were having dinner together over this stuff).

    Anyway, too soon to call it a de-couple but it does get your attention.
  • gregn
    Do you think it's possible that the pros have sold the market and have gone long the dollar and the retailers are now piling into the market, keeping us suspended while the dollar rallies?
  • I don't know, there were some reasonable inflows recently from the public finally.
    But I don't really focus on the stories (personally).
    Also, this is one-day so far and not even over. Something to be aware of at this point is all
  • gregn
    You ignore the proverbial "National Enquirer" at the checkout line.
  • TimV
    Its so frustrating to miss a Geronimo entry by one tick.... especially when the ask price sits on my limit order for 2 bars... arguh.
  • a geronimo long scalp? then we're going to 1020 after a refreshing 1105.5 pause...
  • TimV
    The Geronimo trade is over.... it only lasted 12 minutes for +2.5.
  • start at around 12:10?
  • 11:01 - 11:13 Eastern time...

    Skål!
  • hummm probably fibs, and higher highs and lows with some zero to boot...

    strange that it didnt' go for the 12:10 movement

  • Schwerepunkt
    I know how you feel. The solution is to sell on the bid, buy on the ask. I have missed so many trades trying to get that extra .25 on ES.
  • POSSIBLE short term top on gold

    i count 5 waves up... and it's a failed v

    either that or it was just (i) ending
  • Tronacate
    BERK......do you show RIMM still inside the -.5 deviation BB ?........filter showing short but don't enter until it breaks .5 band?
  • Are you using EMAs on your BB. I was showing the it crossed outside of the 0.5 BB yesterday, triggering a short entry...

    Skål!
  • TimV
    Using EMAs on Prophet, I have it crossing on Friday....now Im wondering if I have something set up wrong...
  • Yeah, on zooming in, it appears you could have entered as early as Thursday. You are set up right, I was just too lazy to zoom in....

    Skål!
  • gregn
    I bet he is using a different time scale.
  • Yeah. SMA would produce different results. I am using 200 Day EMA...

    Skål!
  • gregn
    Did you scale out of X based on your system. It looks like a hell of a time to scale into some puts as we are at the neckline.
  • I scaled out of system puts based on the system exit, but left my H/S shorts on as that stop level was not breached...

    Skål!
  • gregn
    So you trade a single stock using two systems simultaneously? Is that for the sake of comparison?
  • Yup. Traded X first on H/S break-out. Then initiated a BTTSSE as the system triggered them. Scaled out of the system trades per the system. The reason I used both is because X is one of one of the better BTTS stocks, so I had no problem tacking those on especially given the H/S appearing to play out. The H/S was good confirmation of the downtrend, giving me more confidence in the system trades. Of course, as you will see if you follow my system, the first series of entries are often stopped out (about B/E), and sometimes even the second series of entries. However, we all know what Ed says... "One good trend pays for then all."

    Skål!
  • Huggybear
    X is one of the best stocks to daytrade, IMO. It's what I call a "smooth trader." Intraday trends are clean with very small wicks on the candles and often moves a full point intraday with very little retrace and no stop sweeps. Reversals are also pretty easy to see.
  • I agree. And it often has a tendency to continue to move in the same direction for a couple of days...

    Skål!
  • gregn
    Correction: you went short before the H/S breakout, if my memory serves, you went short during the forming of the right shoulder.
  • ClutchShorter
    I'm tracking RIMM too. The .5 BB band is around $60 right? Do we enter units when it closes inside that the .5 BB or when we see it occur intraday?
  • Your entry would have been yesterday as is was crossing outside the 0.5 band. You can also enter at any time today, assuming it does not move back within the 0.5 BB.

    Skål!
  • looking at this tape, and the waves that I'm seeing.......I have a feeling that we're not going to get a blow out top after the weak PPI data and we're going to get a failed Vth of Wave 5.......
  • Bored. So here's a long term count for FSLR - nice channel - and I know a lot of folks *hate* this stock, but I'm looking at this and thinking that there is every chance that {a},{b} could resolve as a zig-zag back to the 50% fib - see what ya think anyways...

    http://screencast.com/t/NWJhOGYzYjI
  • Interesting. I would be looking much more bearish on it. I see 1-2, I-II, i-ii, but that could just be wishful thinking...

    Skål!
  • LOL - now that *is* bearish - wouldn't you need negative prices for that one to play out?? Should know soon enough, if that channel bottom cedes.
  • Nope. It could lose say 95% and still be positive... When you get such large price moves that will make a stock negative, it is usually better to use equality in terms of %s moved and their multiples...

    Skål!
  • Yeah - joshing in reality - need a log chart to get a realistic view...
  • Yeah, I am used to getting heckled about my low price targets. BSC at 10, LEH at 15 (while these stocks were triple digits). BIDU to 150, CME to 150. Etc, Etc... As you can see though, I wasn't too far off last time.

    Skål!
  • speaking of BIDU, I see big o/i for the jan 11 150 puts - is that you and mole? ;-)
  • 1108, that's as far as i goes without GS/FED waves

    place your stops
  • K.I.M.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQh0PTHtHFU&feature=related

    we're been down so god damn long ... it's time to free some bears ...
  • Huggybear
    Love The Doors. Listened to them all the time in High School. When we hit 1121 this week, you can play "The End!"

    The brother (Jerry Scheff) of my H.S. swim coach was a studio musician on that album.
  • K.I.M.
    :) Well nobody knows for sure. But fact that EURUSD trendline is broken for second time and that this time it may not be false breakout still remains :)
  • Jan
    No participation. Zip, zero. Yawn.

    DX touched on the $75.70 resistance and turned around like it was a brick wall.

    Sitting on the sidelines. I have rope burn from all the wedgies I've gotten from the bulls.

    Jan
  • centerline
    Busy day over here. Just stopping by for a moment. FWIW, check out the VIX. Up today. Possible hammer bottom. Just something to up spirits for those maintaining longer-term short positions. As Berk speculated, and past has shown, Mr. VIX is a potentially great front-runner of trend reversals.
  • bergs
    Thinking subminuette iv is in and working on the start of submiuette v.

    http://screencast.com/t/N2I0MjNjODgt
  • Exactly what I am looking at...

    Skål!
  • May be...... zero still slumbering tho.... could just be the final distribution
  • gregn
    Your count appears to have been spot on, I was wrong.
  • I was cheating - count would have still been correct at 1099 - would have looked messy tho
  • gregn
    Puppets always cheat and have an affinity for young white girls. Thats what my daddy taught me.
  • He's been burnt before
  • gregn
    Whom?
  • Your pa
  • Schwerepunkt
    few extreme readings on such a low range day. not surprising no big signals. I'm still waiting to make a trade today.
  • another 3 points and we're bear-meat
  • Schwerepunkt
    52-week bill auction went well. Bid to cover 3.47. Yield: .315%.
  • centerline
    One would think money flow there would cause reasonable drop in equities. But, nope. No banana.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Maybe PDs using Uncle Sam clamshells to bid.
  • TWD
    Mentioned this last night but look at the year chart on TBT. Large H&S pattern developing with the RS forming currently. Can someone explain to me what the heck is going on with the bond markets.
  • tradejane
    Check out this article:

    http://www.marketskeptics.com/2009/05/naked-short-selling-treasury-settlement.html

    This could very well explain why bonds and the dollar are up so much. I've no way to verified if this is going on right now, though.
  • goldpackers
    Starting to get the feeling the spx will sttle at 1100 Friday
  • CorporalCarrot
    Ok could all the people who were crying yesterday about Ben Bernanke ruining their Xmas and turning the Dollar into toiler paper please explain todays action. :)

    The Old Buck is doing everything in its power to help the bears, but the market is not co-operating :)

    Gmak we just went through 1.4820. Next stop?
  • weasel_whisperer
    Someone mentioned that it has been in a downtrend for so long, that it will take a few up days to convince people the trend has changed.
  • CorporalCarrot
    Doesn't that seem like its clutching at straws a bit? Either the market is inextricably linked to the dollar carry trade or its not. Today isnt' a slight move. Dxy is up .8%. Thats a fairly huge move in an index like this. It should cause a reaction if the relationship is as deep rooted as people suggest.

    If today stays the same or equities actually close in the green here which looks very possible, it will be interesting to see what permabear sites like zerohedge have to say after the close, as they normally do an ironic toilet paper post littered with phrases like "as the two Hal 9000 computers that are still trading shuffle 7 spy shares back and forth while the market increases on ever decreasing volume, Ben bernanke gives green light to more destruction of ......".

    What are their headline writers going to do on a day where the dollar rallies fairly significantly and equities don't tank?

    Incidentally, I should have known that the dollar was going to decouple when yesterday marketwatch did a feature on its' relationship to equities.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Historically, USD and equities were not at odds, so a decoupling is actually a return to more normal conditions.
  • gold is higher than yesterday, it's only other funny money that dropped
  • it'sthe day for paying the chinese invoices for Xmas inventory?

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