A Trader’s Guide to Hedging Strategies – Part 1

By Michael Davey

Enough light fare for this series – it’s time to get into something a little more complex.

Okay, not too complex. I’m just one guy with one approach and I don’t have a super-computer on the payroll here. All the same, I’m going to attempt this – but it will have to come in several pieces.

This first installment is mainly an overview, which means it will not yet be saving any lives ;)

Overview: Let’s break the objective of trading and investing into two basic categories – capital appreciation (a universally shared obsession, certainly with this crowd) and capital preservation (a problem we all wish we had more of, but a real problem none the less).

1). Capital Appreciation: Placing capital at risk in order to generate a capital gain. The most relevant issue then is our degree of risk relative to our potential gain. Flipping a coin with 3-2 odds is a bet you want all day long, while collecting sea shells ahead of a tsunami is best avoided.

In order to measure our risk vs. reward, we need to identify both potentials and, especially on the risk side of the fence, we need to identify our target for bailing-out (taking losses). This sounds incredibly basic, and it is, but we’re reading these lines anyway since it is so easy to get off-track of this fundamental principle of speculation (make damn-sure your stand to gain more than you’re risking). If you don’t know where to cut losses, or you change your mind for whatever reason once they begin to develop, you’re allowing losses to run and you’ve undermined an otherwise reasonable discipline (or perhaps you have no plan at all, in which case you need to take a couple prerequisite courses before sitting in my class – on your bike in that case…off you go!).

2). Capital Preservation: Protecting what we already have.

Let me run on about this (first, because this chapter regards preservation and secondly because my pen has a tendency to run on a bit).

The more we have already, the more preservation trumps appreciation. This too is obvious, but needs to be addressed. Pissing contests aside, if I as an individual have $10B in worth, my number one objective is preserving that wealth. Otherwise, what kind of fool am I? Sure, I can afford to play (and I would ;) , but at the end of each day I’m driven by thoughts of insurance more than by greed – defence rules my game. A great deal of my time is focused on current affairs, potential uprisings, wars and other forces majeure; looming bond, currency and/or equity crisis’ and how I’m going to respond; as well as diet, exercise and wooden teeth (general self-preservation). In short – I’m at the top and I’m rooting myself and my fortune accordingly. Yep, life gets a little boring in this state, but we all have our struggles, right?

On the other extreme, if I have $500 of investment capital then I’m looking to gamble. I’m not wasting time trading markets in this case – I’ll be grinding teeth at the .10/.25 tables in order to build something worthy of investing.

On your bike??

Okay, fair to say then that the rest of us fall somewhere in the middle. Very good. And while it’s impossible to reduce this to a simple formula, since we each have varying complex individual circumstances, which vary in and of themselves, we can agree (methinks) conceptually with the idea that our need to protect increases or decreases with a portfolio’s net-worth (as well, of course, with our perceived opportunity vs. risk in the current marketplace and metrics of that regard).

That’s really simple stuff, but I mention it because I’ve been shocked too many times at how little some vary strategy when their investment stake increases dramatically. For myself, if I’m living a modest existence, working like mad just just to tread water and my $5,000 portfolio of 1 stock explodes to $50,000, well I must be the biggest gambler in the world, no? If it increases then to $100,000 and I’ve not sold a single share, I’m basically a chump who’s had incredibly good luck. If you don’t know people like this, I can tell you they are out there.

A partner of mine in the mid-90’s had a family member who invested 5k into a Canadian penny-stock (Bre-x Minerals), the company who held the rights of a major new gold strike in Borneo. His 5k ran to over 100k, as the stock traded north of $20/share. Turns out this was not just a major strike, but based on early testing samples this was the biggest mother-load ever discovered. So big in fact, the little company had to shop itself to the world’s largest miners in order to joint-venture mining such a heap (there would be too much for them to handle alone). For the life of me I don’t know why you wouldn’t take something off the table in this situation – what are you expecting, $100/share? Then, when the chief geologist fell to his death from a helicopter into the jungle (the validity of which is still questioned about today) and the stock crashed to 15 or so on major volume, for the life of me I don’t have a good reason why you shouldn’t take something off the table. When the stock drove drove drove then all the way back under $1, ahead of Freeport coming in to test new samples, I cannot imagine not taking something off the table. Stocks really do talk sometimes, if you know how to listen.

Bre-x ultimately opened at about 12 cents/share the Monday following the test results and ended up g00se eggs in relatively short order.

Total loss? – you tell me, $5,000?

Yet it’s not only this way with penny stocks. I know of people who have been made wealthy by Apple Computer, buying 5 and 10 years ago and never-yet selling a share. It’s one thing if you’re Bill O’neil, you’re wealthy and you catch Cisco in the early 90’s and ride it several thousand percent. But it’s completely, utterly stupid if your entire portfolio was built big on one stock and remains 99% of a multi-$million stake. Apple is not going to be found out to be nothing but a scam, but a round-trip to below $20 in your lifetime is far from out of the question.

Ride your winners, absolutely, but at some point pigs will get slaughtered. Don’t forget about that one.

Types of insurance:

1). Options (covered calls, put-options, etc): I don’t use options for hedging and I am far from expert, so I’m going to avoid this one (when the book comes out I’ll have someone else guest-write this strategy).

2). Shorting stocks against other longs: If done wisely (requires being short weaker names than one is long), this strategy can both protect longs and generate gains – sometimes even in an up-market. Note: the opposite is equally appropriate – buying stronger longs against a position short, etc.

3.) Shorting indices (Futures, ETF’s, buying inverse-ETF’s, etc.): A (sometimes) simple way to protect large-cap longs and a bit trickier method for protecting mid or small-cap longs. Example: if I am committed to holding AAPL long and become bearish on the market, I can simply short an effective-dollar amount of the NDX and I’ve theoretically neutralized my risk. This can be done by shorting equal-dollars of ETF QQQQ, by going long 50% the dollar-amount of inverse-ETF QID, or by shorting 10% of the dollar-amount of an NDX futures contract). Note: 2x’s and especially 3x’s ETF’s have a bleed-factor when in decline which must be addressed. There are also annual Q4-distributions possible (certainly when those funds have a sizable cap-gain going into that time of year), which we’ll also cover.

4.) Moving to the sidelines: An under utilized strategy of simply getting out of the way in a tricky environment. You give up potential gains, but you protect capital while awaiting a better set-up for speculation. Reducing exposure also qualifies and is highly recommended by this trader, whenever an account is bleeding capital. I like to scale in and out, as far as total exposure, according to the direction of gains/losses.

This way I maximize gains and minimize losses.

That’s pretty much it for Part 1. I want to cover these points in detail and spend some time with my own strategy of hedging (which varies according to my perception of the market outlook, momentum, volatility, etc.).

I hate to promise this, since I’ve not drafted any more than this overview so far, but I’ll go ahead and risk that a bit of failure. If I’m only walking out, into the receding tide, gawking amazed at the newly exposed sea floor – well then I’m going to end up sucking water in rather short order.

Sea shells firmly in hand.

Homework: If you don’t understand something above then fire questions at me so I might cover it going forward. If you disagree with something, then fire even harder ;)

Previously in this series:
A Trader’s Guide to Contractions
A Trader’s Guide to Sipping Kool Aid
Losing Like a Winner: A Trader’s Guide
A Trader’s Guide to Secondary Offerings (Part 2)
A Trader’s Guide to Secondary Offerings (Part 1)
A Trader’s Guide (Introduction)
A Trader’s Guide to Chasing Ambulances
A Trader’s Guide to Exhaustion

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  • gmak
    The market fakes break outs the way porn stars fake their enjoyment. it's not personal, just business.

    http://evilspeculator.com/?p=13487#disqus_thread

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  • goldpackers
    Have thought for some time that this rally from 978.51 spx is a diagonal that was complete at 1119 or has wave c of 5 to go. If C of 5 is needed, it could reach 1127 to 1167, favor 1127 to 1137.

    Once complete, diagonals tend to return to their origin and rather quickly.

    GL
  • goldpackers
    does DXZ need to retest 95.60?
  • goldpackers
    Seems above 1106 or below 1096 will determine the next 20 to 30 point move out of the range. Retail sales key.

    Obama Ben Geithner reads the SPX charts ( and this site) rather well.
  • PRSGuitars
    Go get an avatar! (my suggestion: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31Ix-d7qKPL._SL500_AA218_.jpg)

    Disqus makes it super easy to mess around with yours whenever you want. I change mine every few weeks.

    You really think we have enough gas to get to 1140-1150? What if we just grind it out flat until January?

    just trying to pull more from you -- are ou and options trader? single-name plays or the indices? or forex? Experience/trading focus? (just curious)...

    Stick around, happy to have your commentary. Feel free to use Jing/Screencast to add charts if you want/if you can -- super easy and totally free (thank god or else i wouldnt use it!) and makes your commentary easier to follow (and more detailed).

    Welcome to evilspec
  • goldpackers
    No, just 1127 to1137.
    Broker for 20 years. Owned small commodites firm for 7 years. Trade options and ETFs.

    Toughest environment I have seen in many years. Use EW, Gann timing and candlesticks.

    Have a key Gann turn 1-15 to 21, closer to the 1-21. no clue yet if it is a high or low. Just expect a key reversal.

    Thanks
  • PRSGuitars
    Awesome! welcome, as I said, happy to have your expertise. Love to hear any broker anecdotes (many of us have been in the biz, many of us have not -- I'm a young guy so I'm only two years old in the market).

    Toughest environment bc of volatility or the constant unidirectional pump or manipulation events or...? just curious if you want to clarify...
  • PRSGuitars
    just reading your history, can see you're not a newbie -- didnt mean to sound patronizing in telling you how to post. Just trying to be helpful.

    EW analysis continues to impress me (even though it doesnt always work, what does?). An EW medium-caliber reader myself (but not great at offering the moment's count, still reading up on rules for saying im an 'intermediate' EW'er, nowhere close still)...
  • did you get someone to check them? the rules and guidelines?
  • PRSGuitars
    bah, totally not my department (but it was my responsibility as I had made
    it seem as though I would do that -- sorry Hamster, my bad...)

    Mole would be the EW resident master. Berk could do it if he were around.
    I'm sure if you asked Rich @ Ew-indextrader.com he'd be happy to do so
    (he's super nice and posts daily with EW commentary).
  • Asked Mole but didn't get an answer (It's a bit like asking a priest if the bible comics, accurate as they might be, are "ok" as an intro)

    could you ask that rich fella you mentioned?
  • PRSGuitars
    Yeah will do, let me ask him tomorrow, he'll reply over hte weekend -- remind me later today if you see me, please

    Also asked mole, never replied, re: a guest post and letting him know what Berk was up to... he is a mysterious one, that mole...
  • CorporalCarrot
    Why are these important numbers? Neither represents either a higher high or higher low, but just seem like arbitrary numbers in a 30 point range we have been locked in for the last 5 weeks?
  • goldpackers
    In EW terms, above yesterday's high would signal a st 3rd wave up. So far the rally is an abc if bearish or a 1-2 if bullish.

    Below 1096 and you have overlap which would confirm rally was an abc.
  • CorporalCarrot
    OK well from the futs it looks like we will definitely hit 1110 in the cash today unless something shocking happens with retail sales. But I don't personally put much stock in these EW counts. To be we have been stuck in this range for 5 weeks, and we need a new higher close, or lower close to confirm direction. So for me, until we close significantly above 1110, or below 1086, nothing has changed.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p=D&yr=0&mn=3&dy=0&id=p37803072571&a=179988331
  • goldpackers
    I agree that this is toughest enviroment in a long time. But you have to stick with what brought you to the dance!

  • CorporalCarrot
    Don't get me wrong mate, I'm not criticizing or anything or trying to convince you otherwise. I just feel that in this low volume environment, EW doesn't seem to be working too well for people, so a traditional confirmation of a move works better. But each to his own.

    There was an interesting video from Mr Topstep yesterday where he said the S&P could easily move 30/40 points in a single day coming into the holiday period due to sheer lack of volume. This is worth watching IMO;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6JaDWjczeQ&feature=sub
  • goldpackers
    Volume does help immensely, however you have to leep an open mind on whether bullish or bearish and not always looking for one side of the trade. That would be the type move I would love to load the wagon.
  • Gold is calming down... might be a sign of equities accepting a fall
  • CorporalCarrot
    Greetings rats, from an Ireland that seems to be getting its shit together. Our budget the other day seems to have been reasonably well received, we cut all public sector workers pay by amounts from 5% up to 12% at the top end. Our Prime Minister equivalent is still paid more than Barack Obama for some reason but whatever.

    TRADING PLAN FOR TODAY

    I know I'm on a blog that believes news doesn't matter, but I would be surprised if initially at least the Retail Sales number at 8.30 didn't generate some sort of reaction in either direction.

    Absent Retail Sales, I would have said anywhere over 1,110 SPX cash becomes a fairly low risk short setup until we close convincingly out of the rectangle we've been stuck in for the last 5 weeks.

    When retail sales are released, I will be watching for USD/Futures divergence and if its significant, (like when the unemployment report was released), then I will be fading the move.

    So if the numbers are good and futures rocket but the dollar also strengthens, I will be looking to go heavily short again, and in the opposite direction will be looking to trim my short hedges.

    Anyone else got any suggestions?
  • PRSGuitars
    Im only a little worried that the dollar correlation isnt working on the upside so much (for DX, aka, selling in SPX doesnt happen when DX drops thus far). It might forebode weakness which is good if you're shorting ES but it might not be for more than a 10-15 pt pullback...

    Worrisome for larger-term bears like myself. We'll see if this DX short squeeze theory has any merit or if the marching orders are to re-take 1.48--1.485 (what the pattern suggests, at least, on EUR).

    I think some fuckery is in order pre-retail sales, aka, EUR up, to provide some confusion for traders (aka, so we dont have to break at 830 based on retail sales one way or the other out of this triangle, we moved early...now upper range...hopefully to 75-1.4800 before the move corrects back towards normal averages (aka, it detrends).

    I've moved my delta to the Jan focus with SPY puts but as of seeing the SPX/NDX 10yr monthly chart, i am convinced that NDX will outperform to the downside (as well as combined with some anecdotal evidence from Kemal, whom I trust, as the logic is rather sound -- the main idea being that computers and chips/processors are moving towards the 'mature' product lifecycle phase and as such the margins will squeeze to where a p/e contraction alone will guarantee shorts some pleasure, PLUS the bear market forcing the prices down if they want to compete for strapped consumer dollars...aka, Im shifting to NQ short very soon). Just wait this P.O.S. out.
  • http://screencast.com/t/MjY2NWUyZDQt

    Eur, 5 strikes on the triangle walls....
    Anyone watching, trading?
  • Yep. Channel breakout or fakeout?

    http://screencast.com/t/NzBiZTQxNGM
  • fakeout, touch and can't hold upper BB
  • PRSGuitars
    RSI on 5min showing divergence downward whilst (always wanted to use that word in conversation, just once! success) prices increase. Might be right, but, just held the 20sma on 5min (key trend MA) + R1 overhead pivot from above (stick saved it) and volume supports it... cases to be made for both sides at this point.

    Im out of my EUR long for 35 pips @ 1.4763 (on 6e, translates to 1.4767 EUR/USD bid)
  • That is my suspicion too. Daily shows the roadblock: http://screencast.com/t/ZTg4MTFhMzU
  • PRSGuitars
    Similar channel I kept on my charts, and i knew i would have it there for a friggin' reason...

    http://screencast.com/t/NjQyY2U2ZTUt
  • yep, that's the same one. was quite intrigued to discover this one all the way back to 2005 (repost from yesterday in case you missed it) too: http://www.screencast.com/users/ultrabear/folders/Jing/media/6a3a4079-6afa-430e-ae6a-74d947a193df
  • Not perfect, but I like it, will transfer to my TOS chart.
  • PRSGuitars
    That's killer -- i bet if you 133'ed that sucker to the downside it'd hit
    the throw-under on the chart on the nose (just a guess, looks 133ish to
    me).

    I cant do it unless youv'e got anchor points for the channel -- I could
    wing it but I can't guess at the lower anchor from a few years back (did you
    line up the midline and double it? or howd you come across the trendlines?)
  • Pure line of sight/chance - I was attempting to demonstrate to my brother that charting is not bullshat and just joined the peaks 05/07 to 07/07 and continued that line out and then took parallels. Wasn't really expecting much but was surprised by how well it fit the action now.

    My scale is arithmetic though (don't have a choice on that!), so if you switch to that in TOS I reckon you should be able to reconstruct it pretty easily - would be very cool if the 133 did hit.
  • PRSGuitars
    AHHHHH!!!!! NO!!!! This has to be the single most wicked 133 occurrence.
    IT IS LITERALLY SPOT ON.

    http://screencast.com/t/MjQxNDhmYW
  • PRSGuitars
    Love your charts -- the crazy angles are what im all about. Rock on, buddy.
  • Cheers, P. Right back atcha.
  • fuw
    Been looking at the same thing, and I see it as euro weakness. The DXY is looking bullish in my eyes (also ~triangle, close to apex), staying right under the resistance but still keeping the gains after the jump.
  • PRSGuitars
    Was just about to ask the same question -- long at 27 on 6e waiting for the triangle to break, a little nervous but i think if buying happens here it will snap and 1.485 is good to go in the next two days or so...

    I am worried about a fake breakout though, if that occurs, the triangle will poop with utter conviction and that is a BAD thing.
  • tradejane
    Just watching:

    http://www.screencast.com/t/ODYzZmRhY2U

    Mine shows it as having broken out of a triangle but the banks may drag it back down again.
  • Ever try the tick chart...they show waves more clearly, but combo of wave on tick chart, and flag on time chart are nice. Time charts show flags much better.
  • tradejane
    Kind of like this?

    http://www.screencast.com/t/OTk0MjA0Y

    Looks much better, thank you!
  • Glad you like it, I am playing that as fake break to upside...going to downside.

    I like a four screen setup, 1 or 5 min, 133 tick, 1 hour, and day or week....
    Keep me from swerving from a mongoose crossing the road and going head on into a bus....in theory.
  • tradejane
    >I am playing that as fake break to upside...going to downside.

    Yes. The action in the German market agrees with that premise. Good luck. While I don't trade forex I will definitely try the setup you mention with my equities.
  • Woden
    I think you are right.
    In the hourly chart eurusd i see a bearflag tg 1,4260 think it will reach the area 4770-80 before break down.
    http://screencast.com/t/ZTZhOGY0Z

    If you look at the dayly chart, 8sma just broken down against 55 sma. Last time the 8 broke the 55 was in martch when 8 broke up agaisnt 55!

    http://screencast.com/t/MmIxOTJiYT
  • tradejane
    It's funny how some of us say potato and others say potatoe yet we all seem to arrive to a similar conclusion.

    I've no talent for TA so I basically keep track of the banks, they are currently the only two DAX-stocks in the red today. TecDAX is flat.

    There's been a lot of confusing, range-bound wiggling lately but imo the trend has changed.
  • PRSGuitars
    Weird -- ive been long from 27 but getting a little antsy.

    I know the pattern 'broke out' but i do not want to stick around for divergent selling or BS like that to carry us back towards 1.47. I was worried about a false break too, and as a normally non-trend trader, Im a little worried about my sense of what's a reasonable stop and target.

    Sort of winging it, but looking for the 75 area before I cut and run for the night. This 6e is sparta madness for small accounts; been playing it tight as of late but tonight caught it for 30+ pips so far (plenty for a typically scalp-oriented trader like myself).
  • tradejane
    I understand, as I prefer the countertrend too.

    Here's a doodle:

    http://www.screencast.com/t/NTI0ZTk4Z

    There's no reason why it shouldn't go to 1.478 if it goes above the first red line again... I would move the (mental) stop at break-even but that's easy for me to say.
  • PRSGuitars
    Yeah i know what you mean -- im trailing a stop and will likely take 30 pips and call it a night. Just know how easily these setups can run so I dont want to miss out on easy money...

    Frankly, Im upset with myself that i cant scalp out like my usual spider-sense tells me to. I know this will run further but I dont have the mettle to stick around.

    1.4775 is weekly vwap on 6e and a trendline + important longer term moving average, plus, I see myself wanting to get out way ahead of jobs in 2.5 hrs. No messing around in the early AM for me.
  • tradejane
    >Frankly, Im upset with myself that i cant scalp out like my usual spider-sense tells me to

    Oh, this happens here too. Sometimes this is due to a previous losing streak but more often than not it means there's a clash between logic and instinct. ie. Logic says higher but instinct believes lower. Instinct usually wins.

    PS. What I like is how people here can be on the opposite sides of a trade and still be able to have a good discourse. It goes without saying that I hope your trade went/goes well, even though I do think the Eur goes lower.
  • PRSGuitars
    I agree, i dont spend my time watching EUR overnight for nothing --
    intuition has saved me MANY times. MANY MANY times. However it usually
    (70%) screws me out of the trade early, though, I also know to take the last
    5-10% and throw it to the wolves (sorry, RaisedByWolves, not your foster
    parents... aka those who raised you, that is...) because the last few
    percent of a trade is for the suckers.

    Better to wait until the 2nd 'spider sense' trigger to get out of a trade.
    The first red flag in my mind gets me on high alert and when is see a
    divergent high, if its not strong enough to at least warrant one more push,
    gets me out (i am not one to let profits flee, even for sake of a trend...)
  • tradejane
    Thanks Michael. By listing all the mistakes I've ever done in trading, you remind me that anyone who forgets these lessons is doomed to repeat them. (I'm a very forgetful person so I keep stops instead.)

    The DAX opened above today's pivot 5695 and ran just above first resistance of 5754. Banks are a weak green. So is the TecDAX. Seems the solar party is over for now.

    Either way, there will be a resolution soon:

    http://www.screencast.com/t/MTg1ODZkZjA

    ETA: I still have the bank short, for some silly reason it doesn't get stopped out despite the impressive index ramp.
  • been quiet here. Nice chart...my 2 hr slightly different, looks like dax is forming anew bull channel top 5930 bottom 5630 ish...a clear break of 5800 bring higher target into play...below 5630 a long way down! maybe
    http://www.screencast.com/t/ZjliOTZhM
  • tradejane
    Ach, da bist du. :)

    I agree, there is a powerful move building here. I'm currently short but I will be sure to respect any breakout from this range.

    Btw, in my chart the Moving Average is now within actual price range. That generally implies a top, we'll see.
  • fuw
    Nice chart. Are you expecting a test of the upper resistance line before further possible downside?
  • tradejane
    Thanks, I certainly hope so. It would make a great short. Or not.

    We are only about 70pts away from that area right now.
  • crush1618
    Mole,

    Bulls having all the fun. No fair! ... Outright evil! Time to turn into a bull? lol ... stay cool evil!

    http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/34000/Bull-Tango-34267.jpg
  • K.I.M.
    I will do that at the top. If someone confirms that top is in place, please tell me!! :)

    great post Mike, great site Mole. Actually the best.
  • Jiny
    Nice post, Mike. I am looking forward for more to come.
  • BigIslandLife
    Mole have you seen this chart yet, 3 peaks /domed house on bar 27 now

    http://www.screencast.com/users/BigIslandLife/folders/Jing/media/61f1d56a-fec1-46d2-bae0-444ed3b80ed6
  • BIL, how is that thing supposed to resolve?
    The windchill in Honolulu is down to 63 tonight...brrrrr
  • BigIslandLife
    Hopefully downside break, watch the 27th point get up around 1109ish and then a drop for 28th point and impulsive then we have it should break 1085ish if correct and back to beginning of formation, Bulkowski's site list the pattern, yes it is cold over here this morning also, hope all is good over there
  • Good over here, end of year solar rush....multiple checks coming in every day....
  • PRSGuitars
    I know the guys @ AceTraders (Nandu Konat, Mulli, Az, Aesus, Patti, etc) were discussing this along with a few others, Teich50, and i cant remember who brought it up...

    great to see someone watching it, i was wondering about that pattern today actually...
  • BigIslandLife
    Hey PRS yeah we need to watch it now for final build and point 28 down, should take out 1085ish if it is correct pattern and in play
  • standard_and_poor
    Now it's time to get the Led out!
    I'm freezing my arse off in Chi-town.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP9xMobANJM
  • standard_and_poor
    Thanks Mike.
  • TheGreedyFearfulFool
    Mole, I remember the last time you posted your wave counts on s&p, you said a leg up from here and then a plunge feels better. Do you still think that? TIA.
  • Yes, a new high would count better - we could be painting an ending expanding diagonal, which is actually very bearish. So, in a perverse way more upside short term - or until the new year is actually what the bears might enjoy in the long term.

    See, sometimes you need to lose a battle to win the war.
  • yes feels like it..still TOO many "testing" for the top. Even tho the last few days "seemed " bearish ie sold off, mkts never really got sold down too much, DOW only 80 points off a new high for the year, bulls will TRY and get this higher methinks..close to 11k?
  • HungryNewt
    I know many of us keep looking for bearish setups... but as I look at the eur/usd & gold charts tonight, I expect a bounce in them soon. I also notice that as the eur/usd has been dropping the major stock indexes haven't moved much.. Yes, they have gone sideways and slightly down, but we're still locked in the channel. I find myself asking this question tonight: what happens to the stock indexes when/if the eur/usd & gld break higher? Personally, I am expecting higher prices.

    GOLD: http://www.screencast.com/t/YjI1OTE0M
    EUR/USD: http://www.screencast.com/t/NTExMjUw
  • K.I.M.
    that could be interesting. If eur/usd goes up stocks will follow and probably a new high is in place. Triangle on Eurusd on 15 min will tell us the story, as soon as it finish himself.
  • Wednesday, December 02, 2009

    From Bloomberg;
    Commentary by Alice Schroeder
    Dec. 1 (Bloomberg)—'I just wrote my first reference for a gun permit,' said a friend, who told me of swearing to the good character of a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. banker who applied to the local police for a permit to buy a pistol. The banker had told this friend of mine that senior Goldman people have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank.
    I called Goldman Sachs spokesman Lucas van Praag to ask whether it's true that Goldman partners feel they need handguns to protect themselves from the angry proletariat. He didn't call me back. The New York Police Department has told me that 'as a preliminary matter' it believes some of the bankers I inquired about do have pistol permits. The NYPD also said it will be a while before it can name names.
    While we wait, Goldman has wrapped itself in the flag of Warren Buffett, with whom it will jointly donate $500 million, part of an effort to burnish its image—and gain new Goldman clients. Goldman Sachs Chief Executive Officer Lloyd Blankfein also reversed himself after having previously called Goldman's greed 'God's work' and apologized earlier this month for having participated in things that were 'clearly wrong.'
    Has it really come to this? Imagine what emotions must be billowing through the halls of Goldman Sachs to provoke the firm into an apology. Talk that Goldman bankers might have armed themselves in self-defense would sound ludicrous, were it not so apt a metaphor for the way that the most successful people on Wall Street have become a target for public rage.


    Pistol Ready
    Common sense tells you a handgun is probably not even all that useful. Suppose an intruder sneaks past the doorman or jumps the security fence at night. By the time you pull the pistol out of your wife's jewelry safe, find the ammunition, and load your weapon, Fifi the Pomeranian has already been taken hostage and the gun won't do you any good. As for carrying a loaded pistol when you venture outside, dream on. Concealed gun permits are almost impossible for ordinary citizens to obtain in New York or nearby states.
    In other words, a little humility and contrition are probably the better route.
    Until a couple of weeks ago, that was obvious to everyone but Goldman, a firm famous for both prescience and arrogance. In a display of both, Blankfein began to raise his personal- security threat level early in the financial crisis. He keeps a summer home near the Hamptons, where unrestricted public access would put him at risk if the angry mobs rose up and marched to the East End of Long Island.


    To the Barricades
    He tried to buy a house elsewhere without attracting attention as the financial crisis unfolded in 2007, a move that was foiled by the New York Post. Then, Blankfein got permission from the local authorities to install a security gate at his house two months before Bear Stearns Cos. collapsed.
    This is the kind of foresight that Goldman Sachs is justly famous for. Blankfein somehow anticipated the persecution complex his fellow bankers would soon suffer. Surely, though, this man who can afford to surround himself with a private army of security guards isn't sleeping with the key to a gun safe under his pillow. The thought is just too bizarre to be true.
    So maybe other senior people at Goldman Sachs have gone out and bought guns, and they know something. But what?
    Henry Paulson, U.S. Treasury secretary during the bailout and a former Goldman Sachs CEO, let it slip during testimony to Congress last summer when he explained why it was so critical to bail out Goldman Sachs, and—oh yes—the other banks. People 'were unhappy with the big discrepancies in wealth, but they at least believed in the system and in some form of market-driven capitalism. But if we had a complete meltdown, it could lead to people questioning the basis of the system.'


    Torn Curtain
    There you have it. The bailout was meant to keep the curtain drawn on the way the rich make money, not from the free market, but from the lack of one. Goldman Sachs blew its cover when the firm's revenue from trading reached a record $27 billion in the first nine months of this year, and a public that was writhing in financial agony caught on that the profits earned on taxpayer capital were going to pay employee bonuses.
    This slip-up let the other bailed-out banks happily hand off public blame to Goldman, which is unpopular among its peers because it always seems to win at everyone's expense.
    Plenty of Wall Streeters worry about the big discrepancies in wealth, and think the rise of a financial industry-led plutocracy is unjust. That doesn't mean any of them plan to move into a double-wide mobile home as a show of solidarity with the little people, though.


    Cool Hand Lloyd
    No, talk of Goldman and guns plays right into the way Wall- Streeters like to think of themselves. Even those who were bailed out believe they are tough, macho Clint Eastwoods of the financial frontier, protecting the fistful of dollars in one hand with the Glock in the other. The last thing they want is to be so reasonably paid that the peasants have no interest in lynching them.
    And if the proles really do appear brandishing pitchforks at the doors of Park Avenue and the gates of Round Hill Road, you can be sure that the Goldman guys and their families will be holed up in their safe rooms with their firearms. If nothing else, that pistol permit might go part way toward explaining why they won't be standing outside with the rest of the crowd, broke and humiliated, saying, 'Damn, I was on the wrong side of a trade with Goldman again.'
    Alice Schroeder, author of The Snowball: Warren Buffett and the Business of Life and a former managing director at Morgan Stanley, is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are her own.
  • tradejane
    "have loaded up on firearms and are now equipped to defend themselves if there is a populist uprising against the bank."

    Only DOG knows what they must know to be doing this.
  • Schwerepunkt
    Nice find. Lloyd probably has suitcases full of money, gold and diamonds, and his essential personal items (multiple passports) packed and a private jet on standby 24/7/365 to take him wherever he desires if the shit hit the fan.
  • they all just saving their butts - they know the system has failed
  • Jan
    Not that I've added any value to the blog, but I'll be hanging around tonight for any AH shenanagins. I'm going to do some snooping around and will post anything that may be interesting.

    Thanks for the post, CD. Excellent stuff. And Mole, the spiral calendar info is awesome as well as the charts. How can anyone add to what you do? I only aspire to staying your student!
  • raised_by_wolves
    In reply to your comment the other day, I don't trade for a living. I would like to, but, at this point, my bank roll is too small.
  • raised_by_wolves
    Hey, do you always work the AH shift? Are you trading or watching any currencies?
  • raised_by_wolves
    Remember when you said, "I love the crowd that hangs here and gain so much from each and every one"? Well, consider yourself included. You add value, and you're capable of adding even more when you move beyond that "not that I've added any value" perspective.
  • Jan
    RBW.....

    That is so sweet and truly appreciated. There are so many analytical masters here, and I am a student to all. I spend much time studying charts and reading various commentaries to give me an edge.

    As far as doing this full time, I do. I did very well until March 2009, and since then I have been financially raped. I am saving some capital for the turnover and must force myself to stay on the sidelines. I do stay up AH to study charts and watch FX behavior.

    Thanks for your kind words!

    Jan
  • http://www.tonysmarketanalysis.blogspot.com/
    Possible Bear count with retracement levels and timing on SPX
  • feels like I am young again and we are having party in the house owners of which are on long vacation...
  • raised_by_wolves
    Uh oh, someone's house is going to burn down. I hope not too many bears get trapped inside. Edit: Or, is it time for the bulls to get singed this time?
  • Scoops
    Bear Porn. 5 handle by February.

    http://www.baminvestor.com/corey_gold.php
  • branthammer
    Check out this chart of the Athens (Greece) Index. I believe it could be a preview of what is to come here. Perfect 5 waves down. Almost textbook. Let me know what you think.

    http://absolute-investments.blogspot.com/2009/12/greece-preview-of-whats-to-come-shortly.html
  • where did everybody go?

  • everyone located - right THERE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spwKGFUrDqk
  • Sorry about my rant 2 hours ago, personal issues...

    The crazy hamster is back and says "feels like june 2007 spirit" (yes raised, your double top is close enough not to matter)

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$BPSPX&p=D&yr=3&mn=0&dy=0&id=t75582317443&r=6336&depth=24&listNum=&cmd=chartnotes,889|761
  • raised_by_wolves
    Are you suggesting a couple red candle months followed by a double top and then something like a P3?

    $BPSPX ain't gonna bounce, is it? Think it's heading to 35?
  • hell, the link destroyed formating of BBs and put log scale..I was sugesting 3 weeks of red candles, and a 2 weeks bounce from 35 to 65's with a nominal higher high and then... yes cub...

    but now I slept and currently taking a deeper view. will post ASAP
  • raised_by_wolves
    Forgive me, I momentarily forgot that time is compressing. I get it—a June 2007 rerun would play in compressed time, months becoming weeks.
  • even I'm not sure (LOL)
  • gregn
    If we gap up tomorrow I am going to eat a cashmere sweater.
  • raised_by_wolves
    Scenario I'm leaning toward: We're going to gap up tomorrow. You're going to eat a cash-mere sweater. I'm going to fade out of some longs. The Hamster scenario will begin to play out soon, possibly before expiration Friday. When it does, SPX will drop enough, and VIX will spike enough, for me to sell some puts for a profit. Next, SPX will bounce, and VIX will drop. I will buy some more puts, this time ones that expire in March and April instead of June and next January. Finally, P3.
  • cub, i think i's w5 of p3. but check this out and tell me wht you think

    http://www.uploadgeek.com/share-B78D_4B222390.html

    BTW careful about low bpspx with high spx (e.g. oct-2007)

    p.s. still unsure about green (prefered) or red (alt)

    p.p.s.maybe this old daneric chart can help you as well http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TwUS3GyHKsQ/SmULGlkx4dI/AAAAAAAABIc/T8zB3oKoCt0/s1600-h/bp.png
  • raised_by_wolves
    Hopefully, I'll be able to study this tonight. I'm going to be MIA the rest of the day.
  • PRSGuitars
    that is a chart I would be proud to call my own (aka, its got enough lines on it!)

    Always found it amazing how patterns formed in indicators (but RSI makes sense, for example, aka certain repeating patterns)... but in BPSPX? Wow. Thats like some wacky channels that happen (and wedges) in $TICK and $TICK/Q
  • and? MA13 has been quite acceptable as an indicator, channels seem solid (in non-log)

    what's your take?

    p.s. lines?this is a ligth one, when you hear me say spaghetti even berk is running for the exit
  • raised_by_wolves
    Better pawn it, babe.
  • We'd BETTER gap up tomorrow - it might just all be over with after that
    working on video right now
  • any of tiger's acquaintances on the video? didn't think so

    did you see my BPSPX? feels like JUNE 2007
  • have one from the inlaws that you don't like?
  • gregn
    Yes, if I can find it. If we gap down, I can just wrap it up and give it back ;)
  • leave the sweater alone and watch my bpspx chart... humpffff
  • vision_invisible
    One more point. Bre-X is a great example of how most mining stocks (especially junior) will go nowhere. I heard that less than 1/100 Canadian juniors ever make it. I never, ever, buy or short these little guys. Stock operators generate interesting stories to sell these positions to investors, you're being sold snake-oil usually.

  • Bre-X was an amazing story. I left it out, but I was following a chat-room for Bre-X the couple days before new test were to be conducted by Freeport. These people were paying $3, then $2, then under $1 the final day to get in "before the news". They were thinking that the scam was the rumors that there was nothing there. It was really really weird. At the end of that Friday, the stock is like 80cents and they are practically high-fiving each other and talking about how they will spend the big pay-off (since the stock would be opening north of $10, on its way back to 20, etc.)

    They wrote posts like this: GGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
  • ejackson415
    Ahhh, Bre-X, the good ol'days.

    I still remember that time, after it dropped from its highs, it settled around $15-20 and I bought in, because everyone was thinking "well it might not be the world's biggest gold find, but there's got to be SOMETHING there! There's no way this is a scam!" I quickly sold out the next day after I regained my sensibilities.

    Turns out there was NOTHING, then entire thing was a scam. It took Barrick coming in and finding nothing, and the geologist "jumping" from the helicopter to finally put a nail in that coffin. If I remember correctly, though, the CEO and the CFO pretty much got off scott free.
  • vision_invisible
    I think your second point 2) about the strong/weak relationships in stocks can turn into a trading paradigm. Pairs trades are some of the most reliable ways to go rather than laying money down for puts and then losing 50% because of time premiums alone :)

    For example, suppose in March you said I'll be a true contrarian - I'll be a banking bull. So you go long weakest in class (BAC), and short best in class (JPM).

    BAC:JPM
    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=BAC:JPM&p=D&yr...

    Look at the trend...clear as day...and it is also clear from the 50d (trending slightly down) that it would be time to cash in the chips. This would have been a rewarding trade, with less risk that outright long or short. Of course, trading banks was playing with fire at that time :)


    An even more rewarding trade at that time would have been long sector, short best in class. Long BKX, short HCBK (a pretty robust bank). If banking was going to get better the sector was going to get better.

    $BKX:HCBK
    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$BKX:HCBK&p=D&...

    Trend is clear as day. Now that the 50d is trending down since Nov you would be exiting this trade, and even putting on the inverse :)
  • Good thinking - well said!
  • ThetaGuy
    Michael Davey strikes again. Your writing style is, well; I'd savor anything you wrote no matter what the subject! Man has this blog turned around.
  • What - you were giving up on Evil Speculator? Listen - we are all humans and we all go through cycles - sometimes we have it in us to deliver good stuff and sometimes we need a break. Which is why I brought in new blood to round out my own postings - Michael is a great guy and a good trader, proud to have him contribute here.
  • ThetaGuy
    Always liked your blog. Still chuckle remembering TK's "Evil Speculator/ beware of the kids in chemistry class" analogy. Pretty spot-on imho.
  • Yup
    I go through cycle once per month

    Shut up - not that cycle
    I am a werewolf
  • More of a she-wolf it seems - LOL ;-)
  • and crossdressing like panda (since bears are pussies)
  • Any last words from Prechter?
  • Gold_Gerb
    I'm so relieved. NO crash in December.
    http://carolan.org/2009/10/1929-1987/#more-2668

    I can wait for 2023. ;-)
  • wanna bet?
  • raised_by_wolves
    Don't tempt me.
  • centerline
    Maybe tomorrow? off by a day due to failing to take into account planetary drift, slowing in Earth's rotation, centrifugal deforestation (smile), effects of bovine methane on the upper atmosphere, ?.

    (back to reading chicken bones while chanting)

    LOL
  • Never mind... comment removed.
  • Gold_Gerb
    Didn't mean to tick anyone off. Just trying to keep the forum lively.

    I had a feeling you might have been a subscriber at some time.

    and no SSHammie, i've lost enough money this year.
  • so did I, didn't loose more because I did some nasty 3Xlongs in june
  • raised_by_wolves
    Ahem, what's a gerbil's life expectancy?
  • here in ES? About the same as a wolf cub.... both have long tongues and no sense of fear
  • Gold_Gerb
    2-3 years, but i'm startin to feel the carnivore breath on my back.
    <back church="" into="" mode="" mouse=""></back>
  • don't worry, moles and hamsters are not carnivorous, and our wolf cub has been raised on diet of liquid fermented cereals
  • raised_by_wolves
    Golden Gerbil, color of the dream I had / Not too long ago. . . .

    Keep in mind that you haven't been eaten, and there were plenty of opportunities for that. One swift bite to the neck would have done you in. Also, keep in mind that even if our short tempers flare up every once and awhile, this doesn't mean we don't like you. We may playfully paw at you, but we're not going to seriously hurt you. Speaking for myself and others, we rather enjoy your company. So, please, don't go away and do carry on as you were.

    Here's some carnivore friendliness from me to you:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MrXM-4Ndrk

    . . . . A misty blue and the lillac too / A never to grow old.
  • Gold_Gerb
    uh thanks,
    btw - i've seen your handiwork!
    sec 37 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhJqxbrdLgY&feature=related
  • raised_by_wolves
    Wasn't me. That's the coyote to whom I taught a final lesson.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAoszVLRP6U

    I've even been known to scare off (more accurately, annoy the hell out of) grizzly bears. Like the Hamster said, I have no sense of fear (he was implying that's not a good thing but whatever).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AVjlht2fi8
  • All BS - some of it free and most to make money they not capable of making trading.
    No offense to some people, but EW, CS, Gann, Fib,and any combination of letters they put together is as good as NOTHING ( or broken clock once in the lifetime)
    I've yet have to see ANY system that will perform consistently without RISK MANAGEMENT
    Stop looking - start managing...
  • Well, I disagree with Chris on that one - BUT his cycles do work for me. I have my own way of using them - most likely he would not approve.
  • raised_by_wolves
    Michael, did I ever tell you the story of when I was going to buy AAPL at sub-$10 with my $1000 savings from my paper route? Imagine a pre-puberty raised_by_wolves pouring over prospectuses and annual reports, a charade to convince my parents that I knew what I was doing. Although my fundamental analysis was lacking, I was lucky to pick AAPL. Unfortunately, my parents said I needed to be diversified and got me a mutual fund instead.
  • You would probably sell aapl 10 times by now :)
  • raised_by_wolves
    I actually have a "ten times gain and I am out" rule for every trade.
  • damn - teach me master :)
  • raised_by_wolves
    No, you're the master. Teach me. What else do I need to learn?
  • raised_by_wolves
    Besides "take advantage of statistical arbitrage", "do have a trading plan", "do follow your trading plan", "don't swim naked", and "don't be surprised by a black swan"—that's it—there's nothing else to be learned from Raised By Wolves.

    Edit: Oh yeah, one more rule: "You have to know, not fear, know that some day you're gonna die."
  • you forgot indispensable ingredient
    "Thy know when to break the rules and deviate from the plan"
  • raised_by_wolves
    How could I forget. Yoda already taught me that one: "Know, you must when to break the rules and deviate from the plan. Yes, hmmm."

    I'm now ready to fight Darth Vader.
  • "the circle is complete cub, join the dark side"
  • Man that's good

    ...I hope you kept the day job ;)
  • Good stuff, Mike. Keep it coming. I want to know everything that is in your head. Well, ok - just the trading stuff. ;-)

    I keep looking at this chart every day and thinking dis-tri-bu-tion - but also wondering whether the fact that prices are going sideways means it's going to resolve upwards, or alternatively whether prices are at the wile e. coyote off-the-cliff-edge legs-spinning-in-fresh-air moment

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$NYUPV:$NYDNV&p=D&yr=0&mn=3&dy=0&id=p69158901155
  • question: on JCG, would you consider the June 2008 gap to be filled?

    it is starting to look weak...just noticed this thing w/ the RSI...everytime it has touched teh bottom of this channel, the rsi has been low (<40), but this latest time RSI is at the high end...(not sure if this is valid analysis for RSI) also note the 50 day concavity appears to be flattening....ever so slightly just now, and of course this thing could jump 4% tomorrow...just saying though, technically looks like its getting ready to turn over... http://screencast.com/t/NDVkYzcz
  • Personally don't see any reason it has to fill that gap.
    On top of being some time ago, it went into the gap later the same month, no?
  • no never went into gap until just now...it has filled most of it, just
    wondering if that is enough or if it shoudl fill all the way
  • Sorry, i was looking at the gap-up this june, 09.
  • crush1618
    As a hedging strategy to protect against overnight gaps, if my portfolio has longer term options (calls/puts) I could buy near term options on the opposite side (puts/calls). Yes?
  • ThetaGuy
    If you are (long) long options and merrily burning theta then buying/ burning even more might not work so well. Maybe consider *selling* for a hedge (naked/ spreads whatever)... Short term gamma gives ya some juice but they burn much hotter.
  • Nightwind
    Thanks Michael; good article.
  • gregn
    Michael, you should definitely be writing trading books -- seriously. You have great advice and you appear to be genuinely concerned about the reader's fiscal (and consequently mental) health. There is always a line that makes me chuckle (at myself typically), in this case " Flipping a coin with 3-2 odds is a bet you want all day long, while collecting sea shells ahead of a tsunami is best avoided."
  • I definitely appreciate it - thanks.

    ...I've always been obsessed with tsunami's. I drove around the big island HA in 1999 and found this memorial at the shore of Lapahoehoe (and a tiny museum with a great book). These kids went to school that day (1940's i think) and the sea floor was exposed. This was 1999. The story is really moving (awful, basically), and I couldn't help but think about the Nasdaq near 5000, the tech stocks, etc., as a metaphor (the fact that everyone and everyone was in awe of higher stock prices).

    I wrote a pretty good piece at the time (before the crash); called Nasdaquiry (something or other); I'll dig it up when I get the chance.
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