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Soylent Green And Orange

by The MoleNovember 20, 2015

As I happily continue to trail this advance I cannot help but remind myself that it is a bit early in the season for a continued push higher. Far be it from me to second guess however and I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth.


I would like however plant the seeds of objectivity early as to prepare you for the possibility of a second shake out that we may be heading into. In my experience in order for significant advances to occur we need to look out for attempts to frustrate and mislead the enemy. As we are currently in earshot of the old highs I propose two main scenarios in the coming week:

  • Soylent Green: We screw around a little more today but then bust higher and paint new highs. I could certainly do with a bit more X-Mas spending money (just kidding – I’m a crusty old Scrooge and I won’t buy much).
  • Soylent Orange: We bump our heads here today and then proceed back lower to retest at least 2041.5.
  • Soylent Red: I didn’t put that one on the map as the odds are very low – perhaps 15% max at this point. It’s the one where we turn and drop all the way. I just don’t see it any signs of that happening right now.

So there you go – if you’re still long right now as yours truly then do exactly nothing and let your trailing stop do the thinking for you. If you’re in cash then you do have a small opportunity for a short position here or in a few handles higher, but I would not risk more than 1/2R with a stop near 2110.


AUD/CAD Update – I’m moving my stop below that stack of Net-Lines now – my target is a few pips below 0.97. It’s been a profitable ride! Hope some of you got in.


Silver may be a long on a drop toward that diagonal I painted. Stop below that NLSL at 14.7.

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On a completely unrelated note, someone in the comment section asked Scott about the Rhonda knock out and I really enjoyed his analysis. Clearly Rhonda’s arrogance got the better of her as there was much talk about her allegedly being able to take down any male opponent. I won’t even go there but for me MA and professional fighting are often perfect showcases of what separates the 0.1% from all the rest of us. The sheer amount of hard work, dedication, and the threshold for pain it demands are not dissimilar to what we as traders face psychologically and mentally in the trading arena.

Just like in boxing there are millions of people out there who think they have what it takes to be great traders and often it only takes five seconds in a real fight when reality catches up with your hubris. As you know I have been training several arts myself for over 25 years and currently teach a rowdy group here in Valencia. However I would never dare to compare myself to a professional fighter who spends six hours per day training in the gym, facing up against other professionals under the guidance of seasoned trainers.

The same humility should be applied in trading on a daily basis as we are truly up against professionals who not only often have decades of experience but also much better tools than you, better information than you, faster access than you (e.g. HFTs), vastly more liquidity than you, and perhaps a much higher IQ than you (or access to people with advanced degrees and talent). That does not mean they are untouchable and we don’t have a chance but it’s good to always be aware of what we’re up against. Which in itself is an incentive to run like hell and never stop improving.

A final point I would like to offer is that trading, just like boxing, is an activity that requires constant practice and is not something you can learn out of a textbook. It’s great to know how to throw a basic punch, to jab, counter, hook, block, feint, etc. but in the ring or in the battle field you are operating under great amount of stress and often pain. The lessons learned right there and then will hone the type of skills you admire when watching professional fighters/warriors.

Scott said that “in that the boxing clinch/cover up is a good way to get grabbed and thrown by someone who knows judo.” Excellent point and this is what Bruce Lee called the ‘attack by immobilization’  which is part of the five ways of attack Bruce Lee describes in JKD:

  • Single Direct Attack
  • Attack By Combination
  • Attack by Immobilization
  • Progressive Indirect Attack
  • Attack by Drawing

By charging and overwhelming the defense Rousey manages to create her opening for her famous armbar as Scott points out. Floyd Mayweather also has mastered a loophole in boxing in that he reverses holding/hitting into hitting/holding (via his forearms and wrists). He then follows up with damaging blows as he was able to shift his opponent out of his rhythm/equilibrium. Another technique employed to break open a stubborn wall in boxing is to punch down the glove of the opponent and thus create an opening.

Which is why I enjoy very much training MA/systema as as soon an opponent clinches up I am able to get to work on his legs. I am also working on entering deeper into his attack which is something that wouldn’t work for boxers unfortunately.

This is a brilliant video that shows some of this in spectacular detail:

It took quite a bit of effort to combine all these real life examples and if there is a warrior lurking deep inside you then I’m sure you will greatly enjoy this brilliant video 🙂


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  • molecool

    By the way, Gennady Golovkin’s style of checking with the rear hand and neutralizing a jab comes from the slavic approach of boxing, much of which has also influenced Systema. Of course in boxing Gennady is bound the rules of the sport and is unable to use the backhand counter, the elbow, etc.

  • denali92

    Mole: Tend to agree with you here:

    There is NO longer a historical turning point edge here. Opex did its work earlier than normal with a very impressive turn!

    I must admit I am slightly surprised by what has happened this week. While I expected a bottom and either a strong bounce or a rally, Monday was a low probability day (4% probability since 2009 – ie. 2 instances) for a MAJOR opex bottom.

    Unfortunately, there is now no further historical edge here. I have three similar scenarios that I can provide historical support for all three, but I have no view on which
    one might prevail and I am not playing any of them:

    1. Rally continues post opex, possibly minor tops post Thanksgiving or just rallies in to early December like it did in 2013 and 2014 (eg: Nov 2002)

    2. Market does have a minor opex top and pulls back till a low either side of Thanksgiving and then rallies in to December (eg Nov 2009)

    3. Market tops more significantly and pulls back until post Thanksgiving (like Nov 2000 and Nov 2007 )

    Per scenario 3 above, there are two November opex weeks (since 1998) that had similar rallies to this week

    -November 2007 – there was a strong move early in opex from opex Monday to Wednesday – 57 pts in total. Market then rolled over until the Monday post Thanksgiving (26-Nov) in to lower lows.
    -November 2000 – Market had a sharp 4 day drop and bottomed just below the lower bollo on opex Monday. Market then bounced 70pts to opex Wednesday. Market then rolled over and fell 100pts till the end of November (30-Nov).

    So a significant top here can not totally be ruled out, but given the way the market has traded…. It does not seem likely….

    Next week does tend to be quiet with just occasional craziness (Dubai in 2009…), so best approach for new positions seems to be to wait until post Thanksgiving,

    Have a good weekend,


  • molecool

    Thanks, you too mate.

  • Bill

    I only partake in fisticuffs with marquess of queensbury rules. 🙂

  • BobbyLow

    “The same humility should be applied in trading on a daily basis as we are truly up against professionals who not only often have decades of experience but also much better tools than you, better information than you, faster access than you (e.g. HFTs), vastly more liquidity than you, . . . That does not mean they are untouchable and we don’t have a chance but it’s good to always be aware of what we’re up against. Which in itself is an incentive to run like hell and never stop improving. . .” Absolute Truth Mole!

    I’ve never trained in martial arts. When I was a kid, I was of average height and pretty skinny. However, growing up in a realtively tough neighborhood we were automatically trained that when confronted with a potential physical threat to always try to get the first shot in. This didn’t prevent me from getting my assed kicked but it did keep a few future bullies away.

    Those days are long past and so is my dread of hitting my 70th Birthday which is today. Now that it’s finally here my dread has been replaced with gratitude. I just looked at my High School Reunion Newsletter and as of 2 years ago 27 of my 132 Classmates are no longer living. I am definitely grateful for not being one of the 27. There are many other things that I’m grateful for and one of them is that I can still do everything today that I could do when I was 40. Some things might have to be done slower but actually some things are better done slower. 🙂

  • Ronebadger

    Happy Birthday, old timer!

  • SirDagonet

    Happy Birthday, Bobby!


    Happy Birthday! I just turned 50 myself earlier this week.


    it is a good comparison especially for me because I KNOW I can’t fight yet I “Thought” I could actively trade.

  • wandering196

    Happy birthday, one thing that rolls around in my head as I get older is that I don’t know as much as I thought I did when I was 25! Have a great birthday weekend!

  • Billabong

    HB … Do you now qualify as “Old Fart”, “Slow Fart” or “Old Geezer”?

  • Huey

    Happy Birthday!

  • BobbyLow

    All of the above. 🙂

  • captainboom

    My dad explained to me when I was 16, that he would get a lot smarter as I got older. He was right!

  • Ronebadger

    NYSE declining volume slightly ahead of advancing right now

  • molecool

    Happy birthday oldtimer!! 😉

    Meh – 70 is the new 50. You got plenty more years ahead of you. Just stay fit and active.

  • molecool

    You just love dishing out the abuse :-))

  • molecool

    Jeezes – instead of Evil Speculator t-shirts I should be printing bedpans with the ES logo on it.


    I am trying to afford the good looking nurse that goes with it.

  • BobbyLow

    I just thought of something that might be better than bedpans. How about licensing the ES Logo to “Depends”. This product can have a dual purpose. One in case we ever become incontinent due to old age and Two to protect against soiling ourselves in the event of a very, very bad trade. 🙂

  • Scott Phillips

    So your definition of a turn that happens on OPEX includes anything that happens a week before or a week after opex?

  • Scott Phillips

    Happy Birthday Bobby 🙂 Lots of respect to you my friend

  • RoastBeeph

    Some major divergence to close out the week on ZL.

  • RacerXX

    Good boxing/fighting vid Mole. Thanks for posting. Bruce Lee was ahead of his time. One thing to keep in mind that the video just demonstrated with Boxing (ie: just hand technique). No feet, knees, head, elbows, etc.

  • BobbyLow

    Thanks Scott. The respect is mutual mate. 🙂

  • BobbyLow

    Thanks Mole.

    I don’t have any excuses about trying to stay fit anymore because not only do I belong to a gym but I also have a treadmill along with weights and weight bench right here in my office. My wife trains at the gym at least 4 days a week and if I don’t work out she’ll kick my ass. 🙂

  • molecool

    Clearly and I commented on that. Which is why I’m not a huge fan of boxing – too many rules! 😉

  • Scott Phillips

    Thanks for posting the video 🙂 My opinion is that any art evolves towards the rules of the sport. You start off with good intentions like protecting the boxer’s hand with a glove, and then over time, the very useful trapping techniques are lost (because you need hands to do them). I see it in the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu which is most of my training now (after over 20 years of kung fu), what started out as an incredibly practical art now has new innovative techniques which wouldn’t work on the street but will in competition.

    Training for the street gets boring after a while to me, especially once you get some maturity and realise that anyone you actually want to fight won’t fight you on the street but only in the ring. Nowadays my sparring is with mostly pro level MMA people, jiu jitsu and Muay Thai people, and a select group of instructors from my old kung fu style.

    It sounds weird but winning street fights is not particularly difficult (I stopped counting at about 110 of them) because mostly your opponents are not pro level skill or drunk, and because it’s not the olympic games you can sucker punch (and I have a sucker punch which would fool God himself). Sometimes even skilled sport fighters are not prepared for the differences between street and reality.

    There are a lot of parallels between trading and martial arts. You can be a very average fighter by professional standards, and still totally capable of winning 1000 street fights. I’ve taught quite a few bouncers over the years, and guys getting in real fights every night are laughably shit by real standards. Exactly like trading, its very easy to think you are a lot better than you are.

    One of the reasons I really like BJJ now, I lose every day. I tapped last night, repeatedly. What I lose in realism by adding rules to the game, I gain by having a safe ruleset to spar with total freedom to experiment. One of the real lessons learned in martial arts over the last few decades is that any art which relies on kata/forms and not sparring just doesn’t work.

  • Scott Phillips
  • Scott Phillips

    I’m also a fan of this for a number of reasons. You are countering punches late so there is less chance for the opponent to change into a combination attack. Your hands remain closer to your body, so less chance of being drawn away from your head with a feint. Also, it leaves your other hand free to threaten from unorthadox angles, particularly the backfist to the groin or a round punch like your systema punch.


    Sorry I missed replying but hope it was a good one. You have the best football team (even when the ball has air in it)
    so I bet that takes some stress out of your life. When you are an Eagles fan, life is a lot harder………

  • mugabe

    according to your 3 scenarios, you would always win if you went long now and held until end year.

  • molecool

    I can appreciate and respect your perspective as well as your ‘hands-on’ (love that one) experience but my motivations are quite a bit different. Here in Europe street violence is literally exploding and I’m pretty convinced the situation will exacerbate in the coming years. And as such I am not training for 1-on-1 combat but instead how to deal with multiple attackers at a time carrying knives, broken bottles, sticks, chains, etc. I’m sure you have been in pertinent altercations and lived to tell the story.

    Although BJJ and kung fu are excellent for preparing against assaults per one or two opponents IMO they quickly break down when dealing with street thugs bent on seriously injuring or even killing you. A high ranking master may be exception and I’m sure you would be able to hold up well but my goal is to prepare as many kids here in Spain for what is to come. In Systema we do train a lot against weapons attacks, multiple attackers, etc. And quite frankly a rule based system does not help me in the street and I don’t do myself a favor conditioning myself to mostly use grappling moves to bring down an attacker when it is much quicker to break his ankle and move on to the next opponent. So we are talking combat training here vs. martial arts.

  • molecool

    Fuck the treadmill – you are 70 years old and want to spend the remainder of your days running on an oversized hamster wheel? Go out and take a walk in the forest instead! Travel and see amazing places – hike in a mountain range while the fog slowly disappears in the morning. THAT is what I am referring to by ‘staying fit’ – enrich your brain and celebrate your existence instead of following convenience and comfort. The more your challenge yourself the longer your body and your mind will reward you.

  • molecool

    ” I just looked at my High School Reunion Newsletter and as of 2 years ago 27 of my 132 Classmates are no longer living.”

    We live in blessed times when it comes to longevity. Only a 100 years ago there would probably be less than 50 left.

  • mugabe

    do you really get the impression that in Spain the streets are getting dangerous?can’t say I’ve seen it.

  • denali92

    Those scenarios are just history – you would have been uncomfortable for quite some time in scenario 3. In Scenario 2, you might have been unhappy waking up to futures limit down on the Friday after Thanksgiving in 2009. Only in scenario 1, you might not experience any mark to market pain, but we did have short post Thanksgiving pullbacks in recent years.

    I am not recommending anything – just outlining what has happened historically. Personally, I am not a trader who can just buy and wait until the trade comes good …. I always like entering positions when there is a strong historical edge (that is my approach) and there is none right now.

    The KEY historical edge for November has passed, which was the buying opportunity that has occurred in all but 2 years since 2007 (2013 and 2014) during the second half of November. Maybe, there is a second chance at it like in 2010, but I have no evidence to suggest that might happen.


  • Grant

    Mole, move to Tx. You can open or conceal carry your glock with multiple like minded individuals around you. Baddies are taken down here all the time. It’s in the news everyday.

  • Kishore Kumar

    Good advice! I have been doing that for decades, enjoying the scenery and the warmth of the Sun during California afternoons. After a long hike, in the presence of Mother Nature, the experience of the feeling of lightness is the greatest and hard to describe. Our bodies and minds are our biggest assets and tools for enjoyment of the world. Though the zest and energy of being young still may not override the looks of getting old, it is wonderful to have the experiences other than what most of us normally strive for, i.e. money, power and fame. Priceless! As we need time to follow our interests, trading, if done efficiently and profitably, is the best vocation to pay the bills. Long live Mole, Scott and others for spreading the wisdom of an owl!

  • BobbyLow

    I’ve been a New England Patriot Fan since they became a NFL Team in 1960. I’ve also had season tickets when they were an awful team. So I’ve seen a lot of hard times with this team as well.

    The last 15 Years of the Belichick – Brady era have been nothing but OUTSTANDING! Any team that wins like this must be cheating right? LMAO! The entire Patriots Organization have worked their ass off to get where they are. I got a kick out of former Colt great WR Reggie Wayne and his tryout as a free agent in this season’s summer camp. He left camp saying that “playing for the Patriots was not fun”.

    Well of course it was not fun. This is what separates winners from also rans. The Patriots had their fun winning their 4th Super Bowl. Oh and BTW, the play that Malcom Butler intercepted near the end of the last SB was practiced in Summer Camp multiple times. It probably wasn’t fun at practice.

    Another thing that is giving me joy this year is the Karma of two of the teams that started the sham fiasco of “Deflategate”. Crybaby Harbough and the Ravens are 2 and 7 and the Mega Crybaby Colts are 4 and 5. In the mean time, the Patriots are 9 and 0 and I’m almost giddy. However, the Pats have suffered some major injuries recently so I’m concerened about how they finish.

    I have a friend who is a life long Eagle fan and when we lived in Florida we would cheer for each other teams unless they were playing each other. So I wish the Eagles well except on December 6th when they play the Pats. 🙂

  • molecool

    I have some friends here who are cops. He shows me pix of baddies all the time – the other day they took a machete off of some homeless guy. A ton of problems here in VLC with North Africans and ME guys. I personally had an altercation with some drunk Romanians a few weeks ago.

  • molecool

    How about my CZ P01? 😉


    Since you’ve been a fan since 1960 you know what pain is. You are a good guy!

  • Scott Phillips

    Yeah we just don’t have that problem in Australia, though it is getting worse like everywhere, and we don’t have guns anywhere. In the US there isn’t much point in being a badass when the other guy might have a gun, and that frankly terrifies me.

    In general multiple attackers and weapons are a big failing of ring fighting arts, whereas “street fighting arts” tend to not do enough live training against a resisting opponent, and don’t get the mental flexibility under pressure. A 3 min or 5 min round is a *long* time to keep your mind right in a fight. You can only learn to fight by…. fighting, and if you water it down too much (like tae kwon do) it teaches bad things that will just get you hurt in the real world (like raising your leg to kick someone in the head, giving yourself bad balance and exposing your balls). Managing that tradeoff, is quite difficult, you just have to be prepared to get hit in training (I know systema is big on that). A deficiency of street fighting styles in general is they promote an inflated sense of ones own ability, from training only with your peers in a small group. Myself, I was relatively close to the pinnacle of a very small pond, in a medium sized city in Australia. I had a big school and lots of students who told me how good I was, and I could beat them all easily, again and again. How would I have fared, for real, against even a mediocre professional… NOT GOOD AT ALL. But I thought I was 100% killer. I walked around maximum security prison thinking I was stone cold. This is a guy I know in Australia, great guy, very humble, a few years younger than me. I remember seeing him train in 2002 and admiring him immensely but thinking I would have a real chance against him without the rules. Looking back, that is pure unadulterated delusion, now he is a 10x world muay thai champion. The mind works on me with cognitive dissonance just like anyone else.

    I also used to think I trained a lot of anti-grappling and would stand a good chance against a ground fighter, but I was never training against anyone who was actually good at it. Personally I cannot stop a good wrestler from taking me down, and I have a high degree of wrestling skill. It is just a method which has a high probability of success, hence the relative success of wrestlers in MMA competition. Even against best in the world class opposition the wrestler always has a decent chance. I used to train with my peers and students trying to take me down, but in retrospect beating them was like winning the special olympics – I was still a retard. It never even occurred to me why I didn’t just walk into a local grappling school and ask them to try and take me down. Cognitive dissonance again ;-(

    Having done both sorts of things (my kung fu style is essentially a street fighting style without any sport applications) I see both sides. Sport only Brazilian jiu jitsu fighters are more than a match for almost anyone one on one. I regularly spar my old kung fu instructing buddies (who are totally legit streetfighters) and I don’t find it difficult to take any fight to the ground eventually and once I’m there…. I’m a shark and they don’t even know how to swim. And the so called “ground method” of most styles excepting Russian sambo, wrestling, luta livre and BJJ is laughably deficient – a complete joke against anyone with training. Most of them come up with a few “general principles” like staying relaxed or whatever and think that equips them for fighting against a trained opponent on the ground. Ground fighting is specialised and there are hundreds of basic mistakes that need to be eliminated before you can even start to learn to play the game. It’s like going from checkers to chess in terms of complexity.

    Honestly, if I look back on my life, even when I was a violent criminal there weren’t too many violent incidents that I didn’t either instigate or could have walked away from if I was willing to put my ego in check (which I rarely was when I was young). Truth is, I *like* fighting. I especially like the moment when the big bully realises that he has literally not 1 chance in 1000 to win, and I can play with him like a cat with a mouse. I like the *feeling* I get when I know I’d rather die than back down from a fight, it makes me feel tough to know that I won’t quit until I’m unconscious, but with maturity I can see that as just a reflection of fear. I’d rather be knocked out rather than feel like a coward, and that does not make me brave, just means I really don’t like feeling like a coward. Honestly, there weren’t too many fights I would have had to go through that weren’t a direct result of the choices I made.

    It takes a minimum of 5 years of really diligent training to become even an adequate fighter, and double that before you even start to know what you are doing. For me, doing that for actual fighting is non sensical, the payoff to reward ratio is out of whack. I fight because I like all kinds of things about it, mentally, spiritually and emotionally. The physical side of it, I can take or leave, it’s not as efficient as other means of getting exercise because the better I get at it the less I have to sweat, the more efficient I become. I really enjoy BJJ/MMA training now, in my later years, because it tells me where I REALLY am, with humility, not how good I *think* I am. I can go anywhere in the world and find many different places to train, with high level opposition. I’ve become friends with world class people as they float through my hometown, and through sparring world ranked people in Judo, BJJ, muay thai and MMA I can honestly see how far from that level I truly am. I sparred with Jose Aldo’s coach about 6 months ago, and outweighed him by 35kg, had 10 years on him, and he still raped me, without breaking a sweat. And he himself would be raped by one of his students in fighting age and fighting condition.

    How good am I really? I’m the fighting equivalent of a weekend golfer playing off a 2 or 3 handicap. Better than 98% of people walking the earth. A good weekend golfer could be 100% confident of winning games against all of his buddies, basically forever. How well would that same weekend golfer go even against poor professional opposition? Not good is the truth. Reality is I’m a 41 year old man. I’m probably exceptional for a 41 year old. If my opposition doesn’t go full speed I can last a few rounds against mediocre professional opposition without threatening them much and without getting hurt too much. Like a good weekend golfer, I could make it interesting, but not really have much chance. Against high level opposition I’m not going to last 30 seconds in the real world.

    For ME, fighting is a vehicle for personal development, and with maturity comes the desire to know the truth of how good I really am, and gain some degree of acceptance around it. Almost exactly like trading 🙂

  • mugabe

    fair enough. I just get the impression (could of course be wrong) that Spain today is much safer than England was when I was growing up in the 70s. and the hoodlums in the 70s were not immigrants.

  • Richard Foster

    I can’t say I have seen anything disturbing on the streets, but our elderly French neighbour in Spain was burgled at night and beaten up in the process. He got 2 FO big dobermans which were useless and just barked all night at the wild boar and kept us awake. His nerves have got the better of him and he is now selling.

    We were burgled a few moths later, smash and grab style, they didn’t hang about. We now sleep with a downstairs alarm on and I keep a dirty great piece of wood in the bedroom. I’d rather have a 9mm Browning, but that’s not possible. It’s hard to know what sensible precautions to take that are legal or won’t back fire on you. IMO a gun is the only effective answer. I’m used to guns, from a service background, and I appreciate them as the tool they are. Nothing has an answer for a 9mm. No way can I Kung Foo my way out of a packet of biscuits let alone tackle a gang at night, so what to do?

    By the way, when the Mossos caught the burglars they were…. a bunch of shit-for-brains north African’s, all holed up in a house together in a near by town. They had been targeting areas with villas owned by foreigners – obviously attracted by all the Macs, ipads and Rolexes… as if. So, I guess this is not indicative of a wider problem in Spain. Still it’s very counter productive to the well being of the overall community if foreign property owners are frightened out of the country.

    From what I have see around Malaga and down to Gibraltar it’s simple for these trouble makers to get into Spain you see car loads running up and down the AP7 backed to the roof with unsavory assholes. Seems odd that this route into Europe for potential trouble makers seems to be off the political radar. Knowing how crap Spanish security is at airports I wouldn’t trust them to filter out the false passports or or one young Jihadi John form another using the ferry routes from Africa.

  • mugabe

    yeah – burglary is more of a problem – but the beaten up part is v nasty. used to be junkies but now it seems to be a different group. But I doubt spain is particulary unique in that respect.

  • mugabe

    re immigration from the south, a key aspect is morocco keeping it (relatively) under control. which is why spain is v keen not to antagonise morocco in any way .. realpolitik

  • Richard Foster

    For sure, I agree, Spain is not unique in having this problem. Any where you put poverty stricken migrants in crappy housing, within a stones’s throw of apparent wealth there are almost bound to be an instances of burglary.

  • molecool

    So grandma got herself an AK-47. She’s down to disassembling it in 45 seconds!

  • Scott Phillips

    She seems nice

  • Billabong

    Boot boys Paki bashing was common place … football games were horrible battle fields in the 70s.

  • TheRooster

    Might be a long shot but can anyone recommend a reliable and timely TradeStation developer? I have a couple of projects in mind and don’t have the time & skills to get these done quickly myself atm

  • Scott Phillips
  • phylum

    Dunno how these two would go these days, but I’m sure there’s a few here that remember this

  • phylum

    The Ali v Frazier contests were most probably more awesome, with regard to trading v boxing, the ability to take punishment then strike at an opportunity (i.e. patience) is gold.

  • TheRooster

    thanks Scott

  • mugabe

    not to mention the era of hearns/hagler/duran/sugar ray leonard

  • molecool

    I’ve never refused a second helping.

  • molecool

    If you don’t have the time & skills then you are probably doomed to fail. Sorry to burst your bubble but you cannot pay someone to go through this process. It’s incredibly difficult and time intensive – for normal SWD projects I usually recommend people to triple their original estimate of cost and time. For system development I wouldn’t even wager a number – it’s way beyond what you would expect. A bug free automated system that has a consistent edge of at least a year probably costs you close to $500k if you would pay someone $250 an hour, which isn’t a lot for that type of skillset. You may get someone to agree to a fixed price but even then you will most likely wind up with a furball of code which you won’t be able to extend/change/update further down the line.

    I strongly recommend you TAKE the time and DEVELOP the skills. Otherwise stick with manual system trading like Scott.

  • TheRooster

    Hey Mole

    I completely agree.

    I don’t need a system built though, I need a few bits of code which will do specific things (which are not necessarily easy to achieve in EasyLanguage) and that I want to examine as a starting point for building on my other ideas (which I did code myself). There is a fair chance it will end up in the trash can at the end of the process, as most of my ideas do.

    I don’t want to post my career history up here but like you I have a background in FinTech and have realistic expectations about what I will get for my money and how important subsequent user testing will be. If I can’t find someone to have it ready before Christmas, I will just do it myself anyways.

    You’re still the guv’nor though and I don’t dispute any of your points :o)

  • Scott Phillips

    Agree on all points. The only time I’d use a paid developer is for doing quick indicator hacks and the like

  • molecool

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  • molecool

    Hey – prove me wrong!! 😉